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UPA's Survival On 22nd July? And Aftermath -2
<!--QuoteBegin-acharya+Jul 22 2008, 05:17 AM-->QUOTE(acharya @ Jul 22 2008, 05:17 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Trust vote: BJP leaders take stock of situation</b>
Sources said the saffron party is in a fix and fears of a backlash in either situation of the government winning or losing the trust vote.

"The National Democratic Alliance is nowhere in the picture. If the government loses, the credit goes to Mayawati and the Third Front. If it wins then Mulayam would emerge as a winner and strategist," a leader of one of the NDA constituents told PTI.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I think this is a psy-ops. It is obvious that NDA alone can not bring down the govt. They need leftists to bring it down, and BJP has to make them do that. If BJP becomes active, left may not do its task. So, the silence from BJP/NDA is also a strategy.

UPA - 268 - 6 MPs from SP are anti deal, Cong 4 rebels, 5 RJD rebels , <span style='color:red'>3BJP rebels

OPP - 272 - 2 Deve Gowda for OPP

Rebel Congress MP Kuldeep Bishnoi will vote against the UPA.

BJP MP from Bellary, Karunakara Reddy, has resigned from Lok Sabha.

Trinamool Congress MP Mamata Banerjee has decided to abstain from the trust vote.

A Kerala Congress MP has been barred from voting in Parliament.

Two MDMK MPs will vote for the UPA while the other two party MPs will vote against.

BJP MP Brij Bhushan Sharan Singh will join the SP and support the UPA during the trust vote.

JD-U MP Ram Swarup Prasad will vote for UPA in defiance of his party whip.

<b>UPA has support of 276 MPs: Pranab</b>

July 21, 2008 14:44 IST
Last Updated: July 21, 2008 17:33 IST

The United Progressive Alliance has the support of 276 Members of Parliament, External Affairs Minister Pranab Mukherjee claimed during the trust vote debate in Lok Sabha on Monday.

The senior Congress leader also assured the House that India's interests would not be compromised by the nuclear agreement with the United States.

The government on Monday said it will seek the consent of the Parliament before operationalising the Indo-US nuclear deal, which it described as a "passport" for cooperation with the international community.

Making a strong defence of the nuclear deal during the debate on confidence motion, Mukherjee rejected the Left parties' allegations of betrayal and took potshots at leader of opposition Lal Kishenchand Advani, saying he should not "distort" facts in "over enthusiasm" to score political points.

He sought to allay fears on account of the Hyde Act, saying it had no reflection in the 123 agreement and the "prescriptive" elements in the US law will never be acceptable to India.

Emphasising the government's commitment to non-proliferation, he said, "We still believe nuclear weapons are not to win battles. It is total disruption and destruction of civilisations."

At the same time, he added that civil nuclear initiative with the US would end the country's 30-year-old isolation and help reduce electricity deficit by 1.50 lakh MW by 2050.

He said unless India gets exemption from the Nuclear Suppliers Group, even "friends" like Russia [Images] and France [Images] cannot agree to cooperation in the civil nuclear field.

"The Nuclear Suppliers Group and the International Atomic Energy Agency clearances are like passport and visa. Whether we travel or not, it depends on us. If there is no passport we cannot travel," he said.

"Please, let us have this passport and visa. Then we will decide if travel and if we travel, what should be the destination," he said in an impassioned speech that won him accolades from Congress president Sonia Gandhi [Images], Prime Minister Manmohan Singh [Images] and other colleagues.

Terming Parliament as the "ultimate master," Mukherjee said, "whatever judgment you give, we will accept. We can only plead our case" on the nuclear deal.

Mukherjee, who has been an interlocutor between the government and Left allies during their four-year association, rejected their allegations that they had been "betrayed" on the nuclear deal issue, saying everything was done after taking them into confidence.

He had a "pointed" poser for them: "Keep your hand on your heart. Do you feel this is an issue on which the government should be brought down?"

He took a dig at the Left parties and asked them not to associate with BJP in voting against the government. Referring to CPI-M leader Hannan Mollah's comments that Left parties could not "jump from a running train if BJP was also travelling" on the same, Mukherjee said, "Don't jump from the running train. Wait for the next station which is coming."

Hailing Prime Minister Manmohan Singh's "visionary approach" of undertaking the civil nuclear initiative with the US, Mukherjee said even legendary French president Charles de Gaulle had met with resistance when he started civil nuclear revolution in his country after the end of World War II.

Attacking the BJP, particulary Advani, the leader of the House said that like the nuclear deal, the saffron party had vigorously opposed India going to WTO in early 1990s.

"But, later the NDA government approved the same WTO agreement, with "cosmetic changes" and got Parliament's clearance with Congress support, Mukherjee said.

Attacking the NDA government's track record, Mukherjee suggested that he was not sure whether any future BJP government would renegotiate the nuclear deal as was being claimed.

<b>Mayawati shadow constrains BJP</b>

Sheela Bhatt in New Delhi | July 21, 2008 16:29 IST
Last Updated: July 21, 2008 20:13 IST

Leader of the Opposition L K Advani's brief remark during his speech at the start of the keenly watched trust vote debate on Monday was read in political circles as a tacit admission that the government had the numbers to win the vote.

Advani, while ending his speech, said: "Even if the government survives tomorrow (Tuesday), they will have to go to people. And the people will give their verdict."

in his speech, Advani emphasised more on inflation, unequal growth and issues that are normally raised by the Left parties. He also indicated that unlike the Left and United National Progressive Alliance, who are anxious to bring down the government immediately, the Bharatiya Janata Party was prepared to wait.

The BJP's approach has more to do with Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister Mayawati's abrupt emergence at the centre-stage of pre-election politics. It seems clear that with Mayawati seizing the initiative and gaining momentum as a prime ministerial candidate, the BJP is not anxious to play into her hands and help in the toppling game for which the party would get little credit.

A senior MP from Tamil Nadu said that politics around the nuclear deal has taken an unexpected turn with Mayawati making an irreversible claim in the prime minister's race.

In the last few days, Telugu Desam Party chief N Chandrababu Naidu [Images] and Communist Party of India-Marxist General Secretary Prakash Karat has given her the political spin that she lacked so far. It seems that Karat has been given the mandate by his party's Politburo to look for an enduring partnership with Mayawati's Bahujan Samaj Party.

While the key question of which side has the larger numbers will unfold only late on Tuesday, it is clear that there are clear cut dissensions within different parties, which will be revealed during the vote.

Unconfirmed reports say Congress leader Digvijay Singh's brother Laxman Singh, who is a BJP MP, is being pressured to abstain. It is learnt that three Rashtriya Janata Dal MPs had offered to cross over to Nitish Kumar's Janata Dal-United, but the Bihar chief minister declined the offer since the trio demanded that they be allowed to contest the the same constituency in the next election.

At the start of the debate there was much anticipation whether Speaker Somnath Chatterjee would pay heed to the reported demand from the CPI-M central committee to step down from the office. However, Chatterjee, whose wife, daughter and daughter-in-law watched the debate from the Speaker's gallery, presided over the proceedings and gave no indication that he would follow his party's diktat.

Samajwadi Party chief Mulayam Singh Yadav, Congress leader Rajiv Shukla, CPI-M Politburo member Brinda Karat and many other leaders were also present in the visitors' gallery.


Breach of trust by PM: Left</b>

New Delhi Bureau

NEW DELHI: The Communist Party of India (Marxist) on Monday accused Prime Minister Manmohan Singh of breach of trust. Opening his intervention in the Lok Sabha on the trust vote, party leader Mohammad Salim said: “The Prime Minister wants support for his betrayal. It is not a question of trust, but breaking the trust of supporters.”

According to Mr. Salim, it was not the Left parties which betrayed the government but the other way round. Referring to the National Common Minimum Programme (NCMP), he pointed out that there was no mention of the India-U.S. nuclear deal in it.

Noting that the NCMP committed the government to pursuing an independent foreign policy, keeping in mind its past traditions, the CPI(M) member said the Left parties had hoped this dispensation would continue with the Congress tradition in matters of foreign policy.

The Left, he pointed out, was not bound by anything that was not in the NCMP. In fact, he said, like in sports events when performing sportspersons were made to undergo a dope test, the government, too, should be subjected to a similar scrutiny to find out why it went into overdrive on the deal while dragging its feet on issues such as price rise, the Sachar Committee Report and welfare of unorganised sector workers.

As for the government’s refusal to share with political parties the draft of the India-specific safeguards agreement with the International Atomic Energy Agency, Mr. Salim’s view was that only things that were wrong and needed to be hidden were shrouded in secrecy.

Opposing the trust motion, Gurudas Dasgupta (CPI) accused Dr. Singh of “colossal failure” in managing the economy in which the interests of farmers, workers, and the middle-class were ignored.

“What we have seen over the past few years is pampering of corporates and pauperisation of the people.”

<b>PM telling blatant lies in Parliament: Left</b>

July 21, 2008 14:44 IST

The Left parties on Monday accused Prime Minister Manmohan Singh [Images] of telling "blatant lies" during the trust vote debate in Parliament and said his "short and dull" speech was a reflection of his "low confidence level".

Senior Left leaders said his speech while moving the confidence motion in Lok Sabha was a "reiteration" of his belief in unilateralism by violating the understanding that had been reached under the Common Minimum Programme.

"Dr Singh's statement is a reiteration of his belief in unilateralism. He violated the understanding by going ahead with nuclear deal when there was no agreement between parties on the issue," senior Communist Party of India-Marxist leader Nilotpal Basu said while talking to PTI.

On Dr Singh's remarks that veteran Marxists Jyoti Basu and Harkishen Singh Surjeet were among the architects of the ruling coalition, he said that the promises given to them were violated. "A minority government cannot go ahead with the deal unilaterally. There was a CMP and it has been violated."

Revolutionary Socialist Party general secretary T J Chandrachoodan said the "sagacity and vision" shown by the veteran Marxist leaders were "blatantly betrayed" by Dr Singh, compelling the Left to withdraw support to the government.

Terming the prime minister's speech as a "short, dull" one with "deceitful utterances", he said he expected it to be a "soul searching" exercise. "He has nothing to say. The speech conveyed nothing. He was repeating blatant lies," he alleged.

Forward Bloc secretary G Devarajan said Dr Singh's short speech showed his "low confidence level" and accused him of even hiding truth before Parliament.
"Dr Singh is saying that he will come back to Parliament before going to the Nuclear Suppliers Group on the deal. But once it clears the International Atomic Energy Agency stage it is on auto-pilot mode and we have nothing to do," Devarajan said.

Chandrachoodan said that the prime minister was "misleading" the country on the issue.

Terming the prime minister's statement that he will come back to Parliament before going to the NSG as "deceitful", he said "Dr Singh is presenting us a fait accompli."

"He is forcing us to go ahead with a deal which cannot be reversed once it goes beyond the IAEA stage." Chandrachoodan said.</b>

<b> Congress pins hopes on abstentions</b>

Gargi Parsai

It expects “12 to 15 abstentions” and defections from the NDA

NEW DELHI: Even as the Lok Sabha debated the confidence motion moved by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, the Congress on Monday claimed that “the threshold level” of number of votes required to bail out the government would come down during the trial of strength on Tuesday.

The party expects “12 to 15 abstentions” and defections from the National Democratic Alliance which would help the government win the vote of confidence on the India-U.S. nuclear agreement. If anything, the speech of the Leader of the Opposition and Bharatiya Janata Party leader, L.K. Advani, in the Lok Sabha — in which he said that his party was interested in “defeating the government, not destabilising it” — brought smiles on the faces of Congressmen.

“Unless something unforeseen happens,” at the end of the day, the party calculated 265-plus votes in its kitty with the number of those “present and voting” to be around 530 (instead of the counting strength of 541).

Even while expressing confidence that the UPA government would win the trust vote, Congress spokesman Abhishek Singhvi charged all parties who were opposed to the nuclear deal with showing “scant regard” for the national interest and energy security for India.

“An unholy and immoral alliance of the BJP, the Left, the Bahujan Samaj Party and a motley group of regional players has unleashed a programme of surreptitious wheeling-dealing, with the sole objective of destabilising a government acting in the national interest,” he said.

He alleged that “while the BJP has exhibited hypocrisy and opportunism, the Left has shown inflexibility and tunnel vision, and regional players like the Bahujan Samaj Party, the Janata Dal (Secular), the Rashtriya Lok Dal and others have exhibited nothing but personal avarice and ambition.”

He said the BJP “in all probability even without the NDA’s consent,” had decided to cede space to the BSP with “false promises” to make [BSP president] Mayawati the next Prime Minister. “History alone will judge such actors and parties, and will judge them poorly.”


<b>It is all about Mayawati phenomenon</b>

Neena Vyas and Vidya Subrahmaniam

NEW DELHI: The buzz in Parliament, as the government and the Opposition debated the confidence motion moved by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, was around one formidable figure — Mayawati. Some talked about her with admiration and others, especially those in the Bharatiya Janata Party, were not at all amused at the prospect of this prime ministerial candidate.
The Uttar Pradesh Chief Minister was not present in Parliament, yet all conversation revolved round her. Politicians and journalists alike spoke breathlessly about the Maya phenomenon — the coup she had pulled off in teaming up with the United National Progressive Alliance and the Left, the magnetic pull she exerted on the many smaller parties that had gravitated towards her in preference to the ruling United Progressive Alliance, and most importantly, her sudden and dramatic emergence as a prospective Prime Minister following her endorsement, first by A.B. Bardhan and then by others.
The consensus in the corridors of Parliament was that the projection of the Bahujan Samaj Party chief as a future Prime Minister would have a huge impact on Dalit voters across the country, leading to a quantum jump in the BSP’s vote share (its current all-India vote share is 5.33 per cent), and in the process altering political equations as never before.

That the BJP was rattled by this unexpected turn of events was evident enough. Party sources conceded that the growing momentum around Ms. Mayawati had put the BJP in a quandary. If its MPs voted to bring the government down, the credit for it would go to the UNPA-Left and Ms. Mayawati rather than to the BJP. The emergence of the Dalit ki beti (A Dalit’s daughter) as a hero would directly affect the BJP’s projection of Lal Krishna Advani as Prime Minister.

BJP general secretary, Rajya Sabha member and election strategist Arun Jaitley, of course, rubbished the suggestion that the party was running scared of the possibility of Ms. Mayawati as Prime Minister. His thesis was that a BSP in the ascendant would hurt the Congress the most as Ms. Mayawati’s party would mop up the Congress’ Dalit votes across the country. The advantage of this erosion would go to the BJP.
However, Ms. Mayawati’s rise in Uttar Pradesh has demonstrated that the BJP has lost ground in this most populous State of the Hindi heartland almost in inverse proportion to the BSP’s gain. Mr. Jaitley, of course, dismissed this as “relevant only to Uttar Pradesh, not to other States like Madhya Pradesh or Rajasthan.” This despite the BJP’s claim that it has been winning more parliamentary seats reserved for the Scheduled Castes than the Congress and has a substantial Dalit following.</b>

The Congress, on the other hand, was more bothered about the impact of Ms. Mayawati’s new role on the trust vote. Revelling in the BJP’s discomfiture, party strategists told journalists that they were confident that the BJP would not allow the Manmohan Singh government to fall on the floor of the House.

BJP leaders denied this strongly, pointing out that three of their MPs, who are in intensive care units in hospitals, were being flown in here in special ambulances. The party said it was making every effort to ensure full presence of the BJP on Tuesday, when the votes will be cast to determine the fate of the Manmohan Singh government, despite persistent reports in the corridors of Parliament that four or five BJP MPs may fail to turn up for a variety of reasons.
BJP president Rajnath Singh is a known opponent of Ms. Mayawati. He does not hide the fact that he had not been in favour of propping up Ms. Mayawati as Uttar Pradesh’s Chief Minister, which the BJP did, not once, but thrice. It is also well known that he was personally involved in breaking the BSP in the past when he was the party chief in Lucknow. Those close to him say that as long as Mr. Singh is president of the party, the BJP can never support Ms. Mayawati as Prime Minister.</b>

Moreover, in this instance, the political interests of the two strong men of the BJP, Mr. Singh and Mr. Advani, coincide. If Mr. Singh does not want his Thakur support base (courtesy well-known Thakur-Dalit hostility) wiped out in one stroke, Mr. Advani does not want competition from Ms. Mayawati for the coveted prize — the Prime Minister’s chair.

<b> Voters will teach UPA Govt. a lesson, warns Nitish</b>

Says he is least bothered about the outcome of trust vote

“Only by ‘poaching’, the UPA Government can survive”

“Centre creating bottlenecks in development of Bihar”

Patna: The Bihar Chief Minister, Nitish Kumar, on Monday said he was least bothered about the outcome of trust vote in Parliament as people would teach the UPA a lesson in the upcoming elections.

“We are in an election year. Whether the government survives or not... whether the elections are held on time, one thing is clear that voters will teach a lesson to the UPA in the upcoming Lok Sabha elections,” Mr. Kumar said.

“Even if the UPA Government survives the trust motion, the people will remove it in the coming elections,” Mr. Kumar said.

He said if the UPA Government survived, it would not be on the strength of alliance partners but on the basis of “poaching”.

Mr. Kumar charged the Centre of trying to create bottlenecks in projects aimed at developing the State.

Mr. Kumar said inflation which has almost reached 12 per cent and not the nuclear deal would be the main election issue, particularly in Bihar.

“We will go to the electorate with facts and figures and seek their support to bring NDA back to power at the Centre if they want their grievances to be redressed,” Mr. Kumar said.

The Centre, he said, did not compensate the relief fund spent on providing succour to flood affected people during last year’s floods. It also banned the production of ethanol (biofuel) by sugar industries in November 2007 and discouraged investors from coming to Bihar.
“We are not at the mercy of the Centre -- we have our own resources to make Bihar a developed State and those trying to put the brakes on the development of Bihar will face the music at the hustings,” Mr. Kumar said.</b>

Referring to the decision of Ram Swaroop Prasad, a JD(U) MP from Nalanda, to support the UPA Government, he said the drama being played out in New Delhi has come as a windfall for people who wait for just such a situation. -- PTI

Looks like there is a lot of psy-ops against BJP using Mayavati. Good thing is that they are biting.
The left will find it impossible to withdraw support from Mayawati if she becomes PM
She is the DALIT PM and toppling it will have grave consequences for the left, given its pro-dalit image that it is trying to project

Heck, if she wants, she can move into west bengal and destabilise the left
At what time - US eastern does the vote take place ?
<b>The day after India tests its next nuclear bomb – the 123 agreements and hidden Hyde act will haunt the nation for 100 years</b>
Juhi Singhal
Jul. 20, 2008

America and the Nuclear Fuel Supplying nations can pull out their Uranium supply commitments the moment India tests the next nuclear bomb or has to resort to such device for self defence.

Simply put the 123 agreement will put Indian nuclear defence in jeopardy with a $100 billion loss that India will pay the American corporations.

The former Atomic Energy Commission Chairman P K Iyengar said in a statement "if we pass a law saying that we will retain the right to test, it will have no influence on the actions of the US.

"If and when we test, they can simply quote the 123 Agreement and the Hyde Act and pull out all their nuclear materials, leaving us devastated."

"The only option here is to re-negotiate the 123 Agreement and have the clause inserted there to protect Indian nuclear freedom. However, the Americans are unlikely to agree to this, since it goes against their non-proliferation policy. What America really wants is to control Indian nuclear freedom." Iyengar said

<b>If UPA coalition in India loses the Parliament trust vote, the ball will be in the court of America to implement the deal after IAEA board approval</b>
Anima Solanki
Jul. 18, 2008

Indian government has to only see the agreement through the IAEA board. The next few stages will be spearheaded by the US, not India. What it means is that even if the Government loses the trust vote, it will be George Bush who will seal the fate of India’s nuclear freedom and not Manmohan Singh or Sonia Gandhi.

If the UPA coalition fails the trust vote and becomes a caretaker government, they would be constrained from taking any fresh policy decisions. But there is no law that prevents a government from carrying on with its existing policies,

Legally, there is nothing that stops the government. In many ways, the deal then goes out of India’s hands as it will be the responsibility of the US to pilot it through the NSG.

Sources also said German chancellor Angela Merkel has indicated that, as president of the NSG, she would call an NSG meeting within days of the IAEA clearing the deal. In the US, senator Joe Biden has also gone on record to say that he would fight "like the devil" to clear the deal if India does its bit. Moreover, Barack Obama’s support for the deal has almost put it on autopilot.
<!--emo&Sad--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> Part I:
नई दिल्लीः सरकार की जीत तय मान चुके सट्टा मार्किट में सोमवार को दांव इस पर लगे कि यूपीए और विपक्ष को कितने-कितने वोट मिलेंगे। विपक्ष को 260 से ज़्यादा वोट मिलने पर 125 पैसे और इससे कम वोट मिलने पर 50 पैसे का रेट रहा। यानी सटोरिए विपक्ष का आंकड़ा 260 तक पहुंचना मुश्किल मान रहे हैं।

सरकार के गिरने पर रेट पांच पैसे बढ़कर 160 पैसे हो गया। यानी सरकार की हार पर 100 रुपये लगाने वालों को माफिक नतीजा आने पर 260 रुपये मिलेंगे। सरकार की जीत पर उनके 100 रुपये भी डूब जाएंगे। दूसरी ओर, सरकार की जीत पर 100 रुपये लगाने वालों को मनचाहा रिजल्ट आने पर 138 रुपये मिलेंगे।
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If speculation market is any indicator,(going by the adage; they put the money where their mouth is)UPA wins.
बुकीज के मुताबिक मायावती के प्रधानमंत्री बनने पर दांव लगाने के लिए कोई पंटर तैयार नहीं है।
= no punter as per bookies is prepared to put even a cent on Maya's being PM.
I am missing the link but astrologers are also predicting winning stars in favor of MMS.
And now Mr L K Advani rises, as Leader of the Opposition, and says he opposes the motion.


Prem says, Even though he said this is an opportunity to consider the totality of the government over the last four years, Advani says that is not the key to this debate.


Prem says, Let me at the outset say the focus should be why this debate has become necessary.


Prem says, The issue of the nuclear deal was going on for two years, and it was in August 2007 that for the first time I got the impression that the government has made up its mind to go ahead. He talks of a correspondent of a Calcutta daily who was asked to front page a story that the government has taken a decision, that it was non negotiable, and if the Left does not approve they can do what they want, Advani says


Prem says, He says that this has been going on from last August, and that it has given him the impression there is nothing else on the government's mind. "So when the PM just said this debate was unnecessary when the government had to focus on inflation and other issues, I am surprised."


Prem says, Advani says that the BJP differs with the Left on many issues, but not on this. He says four years and two months after the government was formed, it now faces the likelihood of being voted out. Cue much noise, the treasury benches going into overdrive in offense. The Speaker goes please please, and ADvani says, I only said the "possibility", and you cant take offense with that


Prem says, More interruptions, and the Speaker tries to restore peace. "I appeal to all sections, when the Leader of the Opposition is speaking, please do not interrupt."


Prem says, All that has happened is more people have gotten up and started yelling at the top of their voices -- the treasury and opposition both


Prem says, "If you do not devleop the art of listening, how can you reply?" asks Chatterjee


Prem says, Advani resumes, and says this situation ahs not been brought about by the Opposition, or even by the "Left, with whom I disagree."


Prem says, The reason is that this session has been invited by the government. "Mr Prime Minister, you started it by giving that interview to the Telegraph. So what is the point of now saying this distraction is keeping the government from concentrating on inflation and other issues."


Prem says, He points out that the government first said, the Parliament will be consulted BEFORE going to the IAEA and the NSG. But now you are saying you had assured that AFTER those two steps, you will come to the House to brief us.


Prem says, He now points out that the MPs were not allowed to see the draft IAEA resolution. "It is classified", the government says. "But the countries of the NSG, and people around the world, can see it, but not our own Indian MPs."


Prem says, "Don't blame anyone else for this session. If anyone is to blame, it is your government and you personally, for going ahead with something without seeking approval of Parliament."


Prem says, Advani says we would like tod efeat the government on the floor of the house. "But I draw a distinction between defeating and destabilizing. To destabilize is not in our nature. You may do it with Chandra Shekar, with Deve Gowda, and with Mr Vajpayee," Advani said, cutting to Hindi to repeat his point about defeat versus destabilize.


Prem says, Advani now gets combative, as the Treasury benches try to shout him down, and <span style='color:red'>he says, "If I am not allowed to talk, none of your members [Pointing at the Treasury benches] will be allowed to speak, not a single one." Right, gloves off.</span> And the Speaker by now has hit the 200 mark on 'Please, please...' and he is just beginning


Prem says, Indeed, Mr Speaker, I can claim to have seen all the Prime Ministers since Independence, and almost all the governments since 1950. First, as a journalist from the press gallery, then as a political activist, and now for four decades as an MP. I have seen short lived governments, instable governments, but I have never seen any government paralyzed for such a long time. nothing except the deal, nothing except continuous meetings between the government and the Left."


Prem says, If the government says it is in the national interest -- and that is what is said repeatedly -- then why doesn't the CMP mention it, why didn't the Congress party's manifesto mention it?


Prem says, "I get the feeling that the deal is not between two sovereign nations, but between two individuals, one of whom is the Prime Minister of this country."


Prem says, he says if the deal is studied, it makes India a junior partner of the US. "I don't want the world to become a unipolar world. I want a multipolar world, and I want India to become a principle pole of such a world," says Advani, saying that the deal as it stands will not fulfill this objective.


Prem says, He points to the recent detailed writings of his colleague in the Rajya Sabha, Arun Shourie, and says he wont go into more detail. The question, he says, is to decide whether the government's actions have been right, and to vote on that basis. In other words, the argument is, we are not debating the deal itself, but more, we are debating whether the government has taken the right political steps on the issue, such as having taken the Parliament into confidence.


Prem says, he points out that India had decided way back in 1954 to become a nuclear weapons state.


Prem says, when we formed the NDA government, Advani says, we wanted to go nuclear, but some of our allies did not. We discussed the issues with them, got their agreement, and we included it in our CMP as the national agenda.


Prem says, Further, he said, Vajpayee within two months of taking charge conducted the nuclear tests, as mentioned in our agenda, our CMP. "MY stress is, if the coalition dharma had been followed, this motion would not have been necessary." His point is, if you had taken the Left into confidence as the NDA did its allies, there would have been no need for this debate. "Please do not call it a distraction. it is part of the Parliamentary democracy that every party has to be able to prove its majority." <span style='color:red'>It is an irony, he said, that for the first time a PM will not be able to vote for his own motion -- a little dig at the fact that Dr Singh is not a member of the Lok Sabha.</span>


Prem says, "Mr Prime Minister, you should not have gone stealthily to the IAEA." He said newspapers have published that whether the UPA sinks or swims, the deal is done. "I don't know if this is true, that the Indian Parliament has now become irrelevant."


Prem says, Advani's reference is to a recent page one story in the Telegraph that the deal is on auto pilot, and will go through. "MY feeling is that this is not true, my feeling is that the Congress of America will consider whether the government is in power."


Prem says, Advani says we are not against a strategic relationship with America, Russia [Images], Japan [Images], whoever. "We differ from the Left in this regard," Advani says.


Prem says, The US is quoted in that story as saying the US will sign a deal even if teh government is in minority.

Prem says, Advani meanwhile points at the Hyde ACt. The government says it does not apply, the US says it does apply, points out Advani.


Premsays, He points out that the Hyde ACt has already been discussed in Parliament, and the majority then did not agree, and had even walked out.


Prem says, Advani points out that we in India do not have a requirement tht international agreeements should be okayed by Parliament


Prem says, However, he argues, wehn the international agreement in question impacts of national sovereignity and integrity and security, then Parliament needs to be taken into confidence


Prem says, He says that it is not on to justify India signing away its testing rights by saying Vajpayeeji had voluntarily proclaimed a moratorium on testing.


Prem says, He pionts out that neitehr Nehru nor Shastri were in favor of going nuclear -- but neither of them were ready to sign the NPT. His argument is, irrespective what you feel about nuclear weapons, you cannot sign away the rights to test, as the Hyde Act requires of India.


Prem says, Ah, here comes the big pitch: "We are not saying we will scrap the nuclear deal. We are saying we will renegotiate it as a treaty between equals."


Prem says, "Mr Prime Minister, two days after your 2005 joint statement with President Bush, a journalist asked you if you saw any opposition from your allies and from the opposition? Dr Singh said, "Well, the Parliament in our country is powerful. It goes without saying that we can move forward only on the basis of a broad national consensus." This is what he said.So tell me, is there a consensus? Even if the government wins the vote tomorrow, even that does not mean there is consensus. I for one don't mind if the UPA wins the vote tomorrow, because after two or three months what will happen, I know." Advani's line here is that with a ragtag coaltion now in place, the pulls and pressures inherent will make every step hazardous from here on, and the government will constantly be scrambling to survive.


Prem says, Advani now says that the PM has made many assurances. And that he had repeatedly asked for a joint parliamentary committee to examine the issues of the deal and get a sense of consensus, but the government consistently refused to do it.


Prem says, The gist of that story is: The Bharatiya Janata Party, which has been working over time in mustering up the numbers to defeat the UPA, will fall short by another lawmaker, with the resignation of its MP from Bellary, Karunakar Reddy.


Prem says, Advani, meanwhile, is now quoting a spokesperson of the US administration, who said that by signing the deal, India will become member of the non proliferation regime.


Prem says, Outside Parliament, Mayawati is giving a press conference. She says, if India is to sign the nuclear deal, the US should support India's bid for a seat on the UN Security Council.


Prem says, Dr Singh interrupts to point out that Mr Advani is not supposed to quote from the proceedings of the other House. He sits, and Mr Advani and Dr Singh are now debating that particular point of issue, arising out of Advani's quoting something the PM supposedly said in the Rajya Sabha. Dr Singh says, procedurally you cannot quote, and now you are quoting in part, but not the whole, of the PM's statements.


Prem says, Advani now points out that currently nuclear energy provides 3 per cent, if the deal is implemented that could go to 6 per cent, so there is no point in the government saying the deal gives energy security to the country, and the nation will be plunged into darkness if the deal is cancelled. "We don't agree with this," says Advani.


Prem says, Advani says, you wanted a debate on your performance. Okay, your CMP says we will provide electricity for all in five years -- and asks, there are 7.8 crore unelectrified households today, so where is this promise, and other promises on roads, on water, on basic amenities that you had spelt out in the CMP


Prem says, Advani points out that the golden quadrilateral highway project was an NDA initiative, and that the UPA has done nothing in the infrastructure to match that.


Prem says, Now Advani goes to the question of rising prices =-- and Laloo Prasad is on his feet objecting about something or other, while Advani smiles and waits for the noise tos ubside

Prem says, Now he is talking of India being named a secular state, and asking why secularism means that you should be against Hindus all the time. Cue confusion -- a few dozen from treasury benches yelling objections, and Somnath saying that is his party's view, so why are you objecting?


Prem says, And Advani's own colleagues protesting the protestors. Kya karoon main, asks Somanth. "Gala dabaoon uska?"


Prem says, Advani is now talking of the series of blasts across the country, and terrorist attacks across the country during these four years. "It is a long and bloody trail," he says


Prem says, More interruptions. "You can't have a running commentary when the Leader of the Opposition is speaking," says an angry Somnath. I hope he is speaking to the Parliamentarians, and not telling me to shut up. Anyway.


Prem says, He says the UPA has been playing to the Muslim vote bank by soft pedalling on taking action against terrorists. He now refers to the feet dragging on the Afzal issue. The Supreme Court says the man who masterminded the attack on Parliament should be put to death, but the government continues to drag its feet, says Advani, arguing that this is not genuine secularism. And now he brings in Amarnath, the Sethu Samudram, and such issues. What is now happening is that the Leader of the Opposition, having sketched his opposition to the motion, is now speaking with the view to the next election.


Prem says, He refers to the recent confusion where land was given for use of the Amarnath pilgrims, there was a hue and cry, and the land was withdrawn. "I have no doubt the hand of the ISI was behind those protests. And the UPA government succumbed," he says.


Prem says, Now Advani moves to the Sethu Samudram project.


Prem says, There is considerable noise now, ADvani manages a lone and up go the protestors, while Somnath Chatterji says please, please, with all the effectiveness of an umbrella in a typhoon.


Prem says, One of the problems for the Opposition benches is that they don't want the interruptions by the Treasury MPs to be recorded. Somnath has been saying repeatedly that outside of Adfvani's words, nothing is being recorded, and this is the 20th time he has said that, but we are still in fury mode. Everyone talking, all at once, Somnath also talking, now on his feet in anger, but no one seems to be paying much heed.


Prem says, I am grateful to the honorable MPs. I can take a quick loo break. :-) Be right back


Prem says, Okay, been there, done that, and the confusion continues.


Prem says, More Mayawati: She says the nuclear deal will hamper the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline.


Prem says, TRR Balu wants to respond to Advani. He doesnt seem to listen to the Speaker, who has in the last few minutes said a dozen times that he will allow Balu to respond when the time comes. Balu, though, wants his say right now. Clearly, the red rag for him is Advani's reference to the Sethusamudram project


Prem says, Advani is sitting in his seat, smiling at the confusion. The PM in his seat, his face as usual immobile. 'Kya ho raha hai!" the country is looking at us, says Somnath. Yeah, right, like anyone cares.


Prem says, One of the reasons for the protest is seemingly because some aspects of Sethu Samudram is sub judice and hence should not be brought up. that at least is Balu's argument.


Prem says, "You may have good reason to be excited, but do it at the proper time," says Somnath to the noise makers.


Prem says, ADvani again: He points out that his point is there are many places in this country of pilgrimage. When the late Benazir Bhutto [Images] wanted to go to Ajmer Dargah, he says, he arranged it. But what is happening at Amarnath is shocking!


Prem says, Advani: One last point. The inquest of this government will not be complete unless I mention that various democratic institutions are being misused for questionable politics


Prem says, Ah, now he brings in the CBI. Quattrochi escaping from the country, and take away 20 crore from a foreign bank. I recall that in 1999, there was as little difference between thet wo contesting parties, when Vajpayee sought a vote of confidence. We knew the result will be very narrow. yet, I don't recall a single allegation of this kind being recorded against the NDA government


Prem says, "The CBI has been used" says Advani, against political opposition. He doesnt mention Mayawati, but the opposition's latest lodestar and her problems have been in the headlines this past two weeks, so this is a bit of a bone thrown in that direction


Prem says, Advani wants someone in government to speak of what has been done for farmers in the last foiur weeks


Prem says, He says the happenings of the past fortnight has sullied the image of the Indian government.


Prem says, He characterizes these incidents as an attempt to convert a minority government into a majority. All of this, he says, is to ensure the government survives for another 100 days. To what point? What would have happened if the government had said, fine, let's go to the people?


Prem says, Judging from the sheaf of papers in his hand, Advani has a lot more to say, but I notice him skpping past a couple of pages. "I know today or tomorrow we have to go to the people, and the people's verdict will prevail," she Adfvani and finally concludes.

<!--QuoteBegin-G.Subramaniam+Jul 21 2008, 06:26 PM-->QUOTE(G.Subramaniam @ Jul 21 2008, 06:26 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->At what time - US eastern does the vote take place ?

Around 6 PM IST the debate ends and call for vote will be anounced.


Somabhai Patel says, Main kathiriyaji jaisaa nahin hoon, main thook ke chatataa nahin hoon. UPA sarkaar bachegee, aur main to boltaa hoon mere hi vote se bachegi.


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Washington (PTI): With the UPA Government on Tuesday facing a trust vote in the Lok Sabha, the United States has said the two countries can move forward with the "unique" Indo-US civilian nuclear deal once a "decision" has been made in India.

"My understanding is there may be a vote (of confidence), so I guess well have to wait and see where we go with this," Acting State Department Spokesman Gonzala Gallegos said.

"...This is a pretty unique agreement important for us. Indians have to decide whether or not they wish to proceed with this agreement. We have said that we continue to support it, and we'll do all we can to move forward with it once we hear from the Indians," he said in a briefing.

The US official, however, declined to make further comments saying, "I'll be here on Wednesday same time (after the trial of strength in the Indian parliament)."

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