<!--QuoteBegin-k.ram+Jun 24 2008, 11:14 PM-->QUOTE(k.ram @ Jun 24 2008, 11:14 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->So in the case of the loss of jAti, it <b>sounds reasonable than the lineal linkage is severed</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bodhiji, could you elaborate on this please? What is the basis for coming to the conclusion? (that it is reasonable that lineal linkage is cut)
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K. Ram Ji, Lineages could be of two types, spiritual and of bloodline. spiritual lineage, no power other than the parties involved themselves can destroy, and even they may disrupt is also doubtful. This is pAralaukik lineage, goes beyond one birth cycle, and continues irrespective of anything. (there are too many things assumed in that statement. spiritual attainment is supposed to move on to next birth only if sAdhana has penetrated at least till the vij~nAnamayakoSha - Ashok Ji may confirm this. If not, then depending upon the saMskAra-s jIva attains next birth and may or may not continue in the same spiritual lineage. Might even find a different, more suitable, lineage or system.)
Second is the ihalaukika or wordly lineages, based upon bloodline, used in pitR^i-yAna system as Ashokji explained. The scope of my understanding above was about this only. At the very core of the jAti-system and kulam is the rules of matrimony (besides other things). Its functions are various, including the usage of lineal linkage to share the prAnik/kArmik/spiritual attainments among the members going at least 3 generations earlier, present generations, and three generations forward by way of pitR^i rituals.
A son, daughter, spouse, etc. donate their own spiritual fruits to a soul that is departed and might be struggling in its onward journey. Since these relatives are still alive in their human form, karma yoni, they may still earn more spiritual wealth, but not the one who has departed. This way, those alive of a kula help the one who is dead
Now, coming back to why I said the above about the lineages being severed by pratiloma vivAha: the very foundation of the jAti system is exclusive matrimony, with some rules. If an individual (a pair) ignore this founding principle, they are absolutely free to do so, but as per my understanding they also forfeit the right to belong to that particular lineage of jAti - and in fact lay the foundation of a new jAti. And this is corraborated in itihAsas with examples of how new jAti-s and new lineages are founded - that is by these splinters.
Bodhiji, could you elaborate on this please? What is the basis for coming to the conclusion? (that it is reasonable that lineal linkage is cut)
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K. Ram Ji, Lineages could be of two types, spiritual and of bloodline. spiritual lineage, no power other than the parties involved themselves can destroy, and even they may disrupt is also doubtful. This is pAralaukik lineage, goes beyond one birth cycle, and continues irrespective of anything. (there are too many things assumed in that statement. spiritual attainment is supposed to move on to next birth only if sAdhana has penetrated at least till the vij~nAnamayakoSha - Ashok Ji may confirm this. If not, then depending upon the saMskAra-s jIva attains next birth and may or may not continue in the same spiritual lineage. Might even find a different, more suitable, lineage or system.)
Second is the ihalaukika or wordly lineages, based upon bloodline, used in pitR^i-yAna system as Ashokji explained. The scope of my understanding above was about this only. At the very core of the jAti-system and kulam is the rules of matrimony (besides other things). Its functions are various, including the usage of lineal linkage to share the prAnik/kArmik/spiritual attainments among the members going at least 3 generations earlier, present generations, and three generations forward by way of pitR^i rituals.
A son, daughter, spouse, etc. donate their own spiritual fruits to a soul that is departed and might be struggling in its onward journey. Since these relatives are still alive in their human form, karma yoni, they may still earn more spiritual wealth, but not the one who has departed. This way, those alive of a kula help the one who is dead
Now, coming back to why I said the above about the lineages being severed by pratiloma vivAha: the very foundation of the jAti system is exclusive matrimony, with some rules. If an individual (a pair) ignore this founding principle, they are absolutely free to do so, but as per my understanding they also forfeit the right to belong to that particular lineage of jAti - and in fact lay the foundation of a new jAti. And this is corraborated in itihAsas with examples of how new jAti-s and new lineages are founded - that is by these splinters.