Post 538 far more important (christoterrorists desecrate Hindu Temple in Kerala - news from 18 May 2009).
Continued from previous (#539).
4. Now, who will get excommunicated? Since the Pope is a mirror of the character of jeebusjehovallah (representative of christ/gawd on earth; the 'vicar of christ'), his behaviour answers the central christian questions:
- those who are <i>not</i> excommunicated, don't go to hell;
- those who are excommunicated.... (are finally free from christo-paedophilia)
A look at those who <i>do</i> get excommunicated (vs those who don't, whom we were already acquainted with, like in the examples in the previous post):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...ape-victim.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Vatican 'damaged' by row over rape victim aged 9</b>
A senior archbishop has said the Vatican was wrong to condemn two doctors who carried out an abortion on a nine-year-old girl who fell pregnant after being raped.
By Nick Squires In Rome
Last Updated: 9:15PM GMT 16 Mar 2009
He admitted the Church's "credibility" had been hurt by the bitter row over the termination in Brazil, a month after the rehabilitation of a Holocaust-denying British Catholic bishop raised questions about the Pope's judgment.
<b>In the second public relations controversy to hit the Catholic Church in weeks, the Pope's advisers appeared to be at loggerheads over the excommunication of medics who performed an abortion on Brazilian girl made pregnant with twins by her stepfather.</b>
<b>The girl's mother was also excommunicated for authorising the termination of the pregnancy, which was discovered when the girl complained of stomach pains and told officials she had been abused since the age of six.</b>
Archbishop Rino Fisichella, who heads the Vatican's Pontifical Academy for Life, criticised the move and said the Church should have showed a greater sense of mercy to the child.
While upholding the Church's implacable opposition to abortion, he said the decision to excommunicate the doctors, taken by a Brazilian archbishop, "hurts the credibility of our teaching, which appears in the eyes of many as insensitive, incomprehensible and lacking mercy".
The doctors did not deserve to be excommunicated for the "arduous decision" they had made to perform the abortion, because the girl's life would have been in danger if the pregnancy had continued, he said.
Archbishop Fisichella's opinion, carried prominently in the Vatican's semi-official newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, put him at odds with another highly ranked Vatican official.
Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, the head of the Congregation for Bishops, has insisted that the twins should have been allowed to live and that the attacks on the Brazilian archbishop who announced the excommunications were "unjustified".
"It is a sad case but the real problem is that the twins conceived were two innocent persons, who had the right to live and could not be eliminated," he said. "Life must always be protected."
The row over the girl's abortion, which was carried out last week, has stretched from the corridors of the Vatican to the streets of Brazil, where it prompted a huge public debate over the Church's lack of compassion.
In response to public anger, Brazilian bishops last week said that the excommunications were wrong and would not be applied.
The split within the Vatican comes a few days after the Pope released an unusually candid letter in which he admitted that mistakes were made over the decision to rehabilitate Richard Williamson, a maverick British bishop who questioned the Holocaust.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
5. Another example of someone very catholic who didn't get excommunicated when he was paedophiling. The vatican is finally investigating him! But not for what you think: they're after him for .... having a wife and child. (Eeewwww. It was probably rape. Can you imagine anyone willingly marrying this guy? Save the kid!!!)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...olic-order.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>The Pope investigates hardline Catholic order</b>
The Pope has taken the unusual step of ordering an investigation into an ultra-conservative Roman Catholic order after it revealed that its late founder had a mistress and fathered a child.
By Nick Squires in Rome
Last Updated: 6:08PM BST 31 Mar 2009
<b>The Legionaries of Christ revealed in February that its Mexican founder, Rev Marcial Maciel, who died last year at the age of 87, had a daughter who is now in her twenties.
For decades he was also faced allegations that he sexually abused seminarians, and was disciplined by the Vatican on the charges in 2006.</b>
(Reference to Maciel's rampant paedophilia: ABC news report of Priestly Sin, Cover-Up: Powerful Cardinal in Vatican Accused of Sexual Abuse Cover-Up - by Brian Ross for ABC news, April 26, 2002. It describes His Most Catholic Eminence, the Reverend Maciel AKA the Arch-Paedophile as the Vatican knows him.
Disgusting read. DO NOT READ IT.)
Pope Benedict XVI will now send senior clerics to all the institutions run by the influential order, one of the fastest-growing in the Church.
Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican secretary of state, wrote to the head of the Legion saying that the Pontiff was intervening to help "overcome the present difficulties."
<b>The Legionaries of Christ was much admired by the late Pope John Paul II for its conservative views, strict loyalty to Vatican teaching and success in enrolling recruits.
It was founded by Rev Maciel in Mexico in 1941 and now operates in around 20 countries, enjoying particularly rapid growth in Latin America. It has 1,300 seminarians, 700 priests and runs a pontifical university in Rome.
But the revelations about its founder having a sexual relationship with a woman, and fathering a daughter who now lives in Spain, have tarnished its reputation.</b>
Its current head, Rev Alvaro Corcuera, said the Legionaries welcomed the Vatican visitation "with deep gratitude".
He said the Pope had offered his support as the order faces "our present vicissitudes related to the grave facts in our father founder's life."
(<i>Of course</i> they were not troubled by the founder's long-outed paedophilia, which the Vatican covered for. Again, ref: Priestly Sin, Cover-Up: Powerful Cardinal in Vatican Accused of Sexual Abuse Cover-Up - by Brian Ross for ABC news, April 26, 2002.
They're only bothered when a catholic priest breaks a CATHOLIC law like getting married and having kids. But when catholic priests abuse children - that's not against christianism, so it's not a worry to them.)
The Vatican spokesman, Rev Federico Lombardi, said the inspection was the process by which the Church obtained firsthand knowledge about a problem in an order, diocese or parish.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, one can say it. "Christianism: one <i>SICK</i> ideology."
6. Final for now.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...a-disaster.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Vatican insiders declare the Pope a 'disaster'</b>
Pope Benedict's repeated gaffes and the Vatican's inability to manage his message in the internet era are <b>threatening to undermine his papacy, Vatican insiders have said.</b>
(He drilled a hole himself of course. The Vatican didn't know how to save face after the catholic 'truths' he spouted. He did the catholic thing. The world however is no longer impressed by christian/catholic 'truths.')
By Nick Squires in Rome
Last Updated: 8:20PM GMT 19 Mar 2009
Pope Benedict: Vatican insiders declare the Pope a 'disaster'
Pope Benedict
The Holy See is struggling to contain international anger over the Pope's claim on his first official visit to Africa that Aids "cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problems".
<b>The Pope's remarks about condoms, and a recent furore over his lifting of the 20-year excommunication of a British bishop who has questioned the Holocaust,</b> has left him looking isolated and out of touch, prompting <b>calls for a radical shake-up of the way the Holy See delivers its message.</b>
(Note how christoterrorists are only getting uncomfortable about the *way* he said it. Not about the content. The content/message/command was proper christianism after all. And hence it is the same as what the evangelicals since the Bush Jr admin were implementing in Africa as well.)
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(Where is that christoterrorist Nisha Susan now? For once her lame campaigning could be put to some helpful use. Oh wait. Nothing useful to expect from people bitten by christoism. They're only good for terrorising heathens and breaking temples.)
The Pope is isolated and fails to adequately consult his advisers, said a Vatican source with 20 years' knowledge of the Holy See.
Another Vatican insider described Pope Benedict's four-year-old papacy as "a disaster", recalling the pontiff's previous inflammatory remarks on Islam and homosexuality.
"He's out of touch with the real world," the Italian insider said. "On the condom issue, for example, there are priests and bishops in Africa who accept that condoms are a key part of the fight against Aids, and yet the pope adheres to this very conservative line that they encourage promiscuity. The Vatican is far removed from the reality on the ground."
("Inquisition the Italian insider!" He is saying the pope is wrong and that mere priests and bishops are right. Catholic rule of papal infallibility: The POPE IS ALWAYS RIGHT. "Off to the inquision with this Italian. And with the rebel African priests." <Sounds of dominican monks sharpening torture instruments. Torture. Death. No more heretical priests.>)
[...]
Cardinals and archbishops within the Curia, the Holy See's administration, often appear to be at odds with each other, most recently over the excommunication in Brazil of doctors who performed an abortion on a nine-year-old girl who had fallen pregnant after being raped by her stepfather.
<b>A senior Vatican figure, Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, spoke out in favour of the Brazilian archbishop who announced the excommunication, only to be contradicted a few days later by Archbishop Rino Fisichella, who heads the Vatican's Pontifical Academy for Life.</b>
(Now now, Archbishop Rino Fisichella. Don't start getting ideas about changing the fundamentals of catholicism. Or you'll be defrocked and inquisitioned.)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Continued from previous (#539).
4. Now, who will get excommunicated? Since the Pope is a mirror of the character of jeebusjehovallah (representative of christ/gawd on earth; the 'vicar of christ'), his behaviour answers the central christian questions:
- those who are <i>not</i> excommunicated, don't go to hell;
- those who are excommunicated.... (are finally free from christo-paedophilia)
A look at those who <i>do</i> get excommunicated (vs those who don't, whom we were already acquainted with, like in the examples in the previous post):
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...ape-victim.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Vatican 'damaged' by row over rape victim aged 9</b>
A senior archbishop has said the Vatican was wrong to condemn two doctors who carried out an abortion on a nine-year-old girl who fell pregnant after being raped.
By Nick Squires In Rome
Last Updated: 9:15PM GMT 16 Mar 2009
He admitted the Church's "credibility" had been hurt by the bitter row over the termination in Brazil, a month after the rehabilitation of a Holocaust-denying British Catholic bishop raised questions about the Pope's judgment.
<b>In the second public relations controversy to hit the Catholic Church in weeks, the Pope's advisers appeared to be at loggerheads over the excommunication of medics who performed an abortion on Brazilian girl made pregnant with twins by her stepfather.</b>
<b>The girl's mother was also excommunicated for authorising the termination of the pregnancy, which was discovered when the girl complained of stomach pains and told officials she had been abused since the age of six.</b>
Archbishop Rino Fisichella, who heads the Vatican's Pontifical Academy for Life, criticised the move and said the Church should have showed a greater sense of mercy to the child.
While upholding the Church's implacable opposition to abortion, he said the decision to excommunicate the doctors, taken by a Brazilian archbishop, "hurts the credibility of our teaching, which appears in the eyes of many as insensitive, incomprehensible and lacking mercy".
The doctors did not deserve to be excommunicated for the "arduous decision" they had made to perform the abortion, because the girl's life would have been in danger if the pregnancy had continued, he said.
Archbishop Fisichella's opinion, carried prominently in the Vatican's semi-official newspaper, L'Osservatore Romano, put him at odds with another highly ranked Vatican official.
Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, the head of the Congregation for Bishops, has insisted that the twins should have been allowed to live and that the attacks on the Brazilian archbishop who announced the excommunications were "unjustified".
"It is a sad case but the real problem is that the twins conceived were two innocent persons, who had the right to live and could not be eliminated," he said. "Life must always be protected."
The row over the girl's abortion, which was carried out last week, has stretched from the corridors of the Vatican to the streets of Brazil, where it prompted a huge public debate over the Church's lack of compassion.
In response to public anger, Brazilian bishops last week said that the excommunications were wrong and would not be applied.
The split within the Vatican comes a few days after the Pope released an unusually candid letter in which he admitted that mistakes were made over the decision to rehabilitate Richard Williamson, a maverick British bishop who questioned the Holocaust.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
5. Another example of someone very catholic who didn't get excommunicated when he was paedophiling. The vatican is finally investigating him! But not for what you think: they're after him for .... having a wife and child. (Eeewwww. It was probably rape. Can you imagine anyone willingly marrying this guy? Save the kid!!!)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...olic-order.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>The Pope investigates hardline Catholic order</b>
The Pope has taken the unusual step of ordering an investigation into an ultra-conservative Roman Catholic order after it revealed that its late founder had a mistress and fathered a child.
By Nick Squires in Rome
Last Updated: 6:08PM BST 31 Mar 2009
<b>The Legionaries of Christ revealed in February that its Mexican founder, Rev Marcial Maciel, who died last year at the age of 87, had a daughter who is now in her twenties.
For decades he was also faced allegations that he sexually abused seminarians, and was disciplined by the Vatican on the charges in 2006.</b>
(Reference to Maciel's rampant paedophilia: ABC news report of Priestly Sin, Cover-Up: Powerful Cardinal in Vatican Accused of Sexual Abuse Cover-Up - by Brian Ross for ABC news, April 26, 2002. It describes His Most Catholic Eminence, the Reverend Maciel AKA the Arch-Paedophile as the Vatican knows him.
Disgusting read. DO NOT READ IT.)
Pope Benedict XVI will now send senior clerics to all the institutions run by the influential order, one of the fastest-growing in the Church.
Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, the Vatican secretary of state, wrote to the head of the Legion saying that the Pontiff was intervening to help "overcome the present difficulties."
<b>The Legionaries of Christ was much admired by the late Pope John Paul II for its conservative views, strict loyalty to Vatican teaching and success in enrolling recruits.
It was founded by Rev Maciel in Mexico in 1941 and now operates in around 20 countries, enjoying particularly rapid growth in Latin America. It has 1,300 seminarians, 700 priests and runs a pontifical university in Rome.
But the revelations about its founder having a sexual relationship with a woman, and fathering a daughter who now lives in Spain, have tarnished its reputation.</b>
Its current head, Rev Alvaro Corcuera, said the Legionaries welcomed the Vatican visitation "with deep gratitude".
He said the Pope had offered his support as the order faces "our present vicissitudes related to the grave facts in our father founder's life."
(<i>Of course</i> they were not troubled by the founder's long-outed paedophilia, which the Vatican covered for. Again, ref: Priestly Sin, Cover-Up: Powerful Cardinal in Vatican Accused of Sexual Abuse Cover-Up - by Brian Ross for ABC news, April 26, 2002.
They're only bothered when a catholic priest breaks a CATHOLIC law like getting married and having kids. But when catholic priests abuse children - that's not against christianism, so it's not a worry to them.)
The Vatican spokesman, Rev Federico Lombardi, said the inspection was the process by which the Church obtained firsthand knowledge about a problem in an order, diocese or parish.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes, one can say it. "Christianism: one <i>SICK</i> ideology."
6. Final for now.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...a-disaster.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Vatican insiders declare the Pope a 'disaster'</b>
Pope Benedict's repeated gaffes and the Vatican's inability to manage his message in the internet era are <b>threatening to undermine his papacy, Vatican insiders have said.</b>
(He drilled a hole himself of course. The Vatican didn't know how to save face after the catholic 'truths' he spouted. He did the catholic thing. The world however is no longer impressed by christian/catholic 'truths.')
By Nick Squires in Rome
Last Updated: 8:20PM GMT 19 Mar 2009
Pope Benedict: Vatican insiders declare the Pope a 'disaster'
Pope Benedict
The Holy See is struggling to contain international anger over the Pope's claim on his first official visit to Africa that Aids "cannot be overcome through the distribution of condoms, which even aggravates the problems".
<b>The Pope's remarks about condoms, and a recent furore over his lifting of the 20-year excommunication of a British bishop who has questioned the Holocaust,</b> has left him looking isolated and out of touch, prompting <b>calls for a radical shake-up of the way the Holy See delivers its message.</b>
(Note how christoterrorists are only getting uncomfortable about the *way* he said it. Not about the content. The content/message/command was proper christianism after all. And hence it is the same as what the evangelicals since the Bush Jr admin were implementing in Africa as well.)
Related Articles
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   Pope let down by advisers, claims bishop
  *
   <b>France and Germany rebuke Pope
  *
   Vatican in new row over attempts to alter Pope Benedict XVI's Aids comments
  *
   Anger as Pope Benedict XVI says condoms make Aids worse</b>
  *
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--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->(Where is that christoterrorist Nisha Susan now? For once her lame campaigning could be put to some helpful use. Oh wait. Nothing useful to expect from people bitten by christoism. They're only good for terrorising heathens and breaking temples.)
The Pope is isolated and fails to adequately consult his advisers, said a Vatican source with 20 years' knowledge of the Holy See.
Another Vatican insider described Pope Benedict's four-year-old papacy as "a disaster", recalling the pontiff's previous inflammatory remarks on Islam and homosexuality.
"He's out of touch with the real world," the Italian insider said. "On the condom issue, for example, there are priests and bishops in Africa who accept that condoms are a key part of the fight against Aids, and yet the pope adheres to this very conservative line that they encourage promiscuity. The Vatican is far removed from the reality on the ground."
("Inquisition the Italian insider!" He is saying the pope is wrong and that mere priests and bishops are right. Catholic rule of papal infallibility: The POPE IS ALWAYS RIGHT. "Off to the inquision with this Italian. And with the rebel African priests." <Sounds of dominican monks sharpening torture instruments. Torture. Death. No more heretical priests.>)
[...]
Cardinals and archbishops within the Curia, the Holy See's administration, often appear to be at odds with each other, most recently over the excommunication in Brazil of doctors who performed an abortion on a nine-year-old girl who had fallen pregnant after being raped by her stepfather.
<b>A senior Vatican figure, Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re, spoke out in favour of the Brazilian archbishop who announced the excommunication, only to be contradicted a few days later by Archbishop Rino Fisichella, who heads the Vatican's Pontifical Academy for Life.</b>
(Now now, Archbishop Rino Fisichella. Don't start getting ideas about changing the fundamentals of catholicism. Or you'll be defrocked and inquisitioned.)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Death to traitors.