So many consecutive posts by me. Last in the sequence:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Let me make a provocative post.
Is there any evidence to suggest that the people who oppose conversions today consist of a group of Hindus who are descended from every caste equi-proportionally. Or is it possible that descendants of some particular caste groups are more vehemently against conversion than descendants from other caste groups.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It is not provocative, it is of no meaning. Unless you know <b><i>why</i> people</b> - especially tribal people and small communities who are the most vulnerable because they are essentially voiceless and invisible - <b>all over the world are opposing christianism</b> (which always means enforced conversions and erasure of real identity), you do not know enough of the situation to ponder about the Indian case.
Why do you think most people don't know about the Akha, the West Papuans, the Bayaka Pygmees, the various other Asian, African as well as S American tribes? The missionaries are terrorising when not genociding them outright. Why? <i>Because they can. Their victims get no exposure.</i>
( Do see http://freetruth.50webs.org/Overview4.htm and http://freetruth.50webs.org/D4a.htm#Miss...uthAmerica )
And they would do the exact same to all Hindu Harijan, Girijan and generally economically disadvantaged Hindus who resist conversion, if India was not such a visible country and if these Hindus were not part of a larger network. Even so, many of them are still tormented and most of their voices are still silenced. A very little makes it into the news now and again.
Why make a difference between forced conversion, conversion-by-allurement and conversion-through-propaganda at all? Christianity employs all three - based on who the target populace is. It mowes over tribal peoples all over the world, it tries to bribe poorer people in more visible areas (while still genociding inconvertibles in remote areas of an otherwise visible country like Thailand, India), and uses media's PR power and christian schools to brainwash children against the local religion and for the christian religion. The result is the same: destruction of the host country's natural religious character.
If really interested in stats, you'll find that the psecular Hindus are often 'brahmoons' (communists) and others who support 'freedom to convert' from their cosy theoretical standpoint. Meanwhile many Hindu communities, most of whom are ignored by the media, have been taking a stand against the mean-spirited conversions they've had to endure. However, having said that, you'll also find real Brahmanas especially Swamis, trying to do something to stem the tide of conversions and protect the very people being preyed on.
In reality, there are only three categories of Hindus involved: the Hindu who is aware of the problem, the Hindu who is unaware and of course the psecular 'Hindu' who is clueless <i>and</i> useless in this issue.
This is not a joke. People seem to think the matter is something to discuss while reclining on their armchair over a cup of tea. It is other peoples' lives we're talking about. They're not some fictional group living in your head, only to come out when the topic comes up. They are living, breathing now, and are vulnerable now. One should want all Hindus (and all of the world's unconverted populace) to feel safe, most particularly the vulnerable ones who get no protection because they get no media exposure.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Can we do a poll here and see how many hindus oppose coerced conversions and how many among them are actually from so called forward castes?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> And how representative would this poll be? How many of the disprivileged Hindu communities - or generally poor individuals/families - would by now have access to a computer and be connected to the net (know typing, English) and have discovered this site? For a more representative sample, consider going to India, travelling around and asking around Hindu communities.
Here's a good example of the kind of mental derangement that results when one puts Indian and christianity together: the Indian missionary who wipes out another culture. Give it up for the Indian christos - our own kind has become colonialist, imperialist, christoterrorist! <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo-->
http://www.crusadewatch.org/index.php?opti...d=465&Itemid=36
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Destroyed cultures: The unfortunate story of Totos</b>
Tuesday, 29 August 2006
The Totos are a small tribe of 1241 people that lives close to the Bhutan border. They have a small temple but gather in it only once a year for an annual ritual.
They are a ferocious and fighting people, and very proud of their culture and religion. Their main livelihood is pig farming.
<b>The militant Nagas heard about them and sent missionaries</b> to start a work among them. At first they had limited success. The Toto chief heard about them, and beat the missionaries terribly who fled for their lives.
In 1996, pastor <b>P.M. Thomas a keralite</b> representing Himalayan Evangelical Mission, a church planting organization approached Totos as a stranger.
He convinced the Totos to let him start an English medium school by adopting the education evangelism strategy.
Totos donated five acres of land let pastor Thomas start the school under the condition that he should not engage in converting their tribe.
1997 the school started functioning in Totopara with 65 students.Five more missionaries were brought in as teachers one of whom married the daughter of a Toto leader.
Pastor Thomas specifically told the missionaries not to baptize one-by-one and wait for atleast 50% of the population to be brought under their fold before performing mass conversion. He feared that any conversion on individual basis would bring a backlash for this valiant tribe and result in the killing of the convert and missionaries.
It seems that his team has achieved its goal of wiping off another native culture from the face of earth.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Bunch o' terrorists.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Let me make a provocative post.
Is there any evidence to suggest that the people who oppose conversions today consist of a group of Hindus who are descended from every caste equi-proportionally. Or is it possible that descendants of some particular caste groups are more vehemently against conversion than descendants from other caste groups.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It is not provocative, it is of no meaning. Unless you know <b><i>why</i> people</b> - especially tribal people and small communities who are the most vulnerable because they are essentially voiceless and invisible - <b>all over the world are opposing christianism</b> (which always means enforced conversions and erasure of real identity), you do not know enough of the situation to ponder about the Indian case.
Why do you think most people don't know about the Akha, the West Papuans, the Bayaka Pygmees, the various other Asian, African as well as S American tribes? The missionaries are terrorising when not genociding them outright. Why? <i>Because they can. Their victims get no exposure.</i>
( Do see http://freetruth.50webs.org/Overview4.htm and http://freetruth.50webs.org/D4a.htm#Miss...uthAmerica )
And they would do the exact same to all Hindu Harijan, Girijan and generally economically disadvantaged Hindus who resist conversion, if India was not such a visible country and if these Hindus were not part of a larger network. Even so, many of them are still tormented and most of their voices are still silenced. A very little makes it into the news now and again.
Why make a difference between forced conversion, conversion-by-allurement and conversion-through-propaganda at all? Christianity employs all three - based on who the target populace is. It mowes over tribal peoples all over the world, it tries to bribe poorer people in more visible areas (while still genociding inconvertibles in remote areas of an otherwise visible country like Thailand, India), and uses media's PR power and christian schools to brainwash children against the local religion and for the christian religion. The result is the same: destruction of the host country's natural religious character.
If really interested in stats, you'll find that the psecular Hindus are often 'brahmoons' (communists) and others who support 'freedom to convert' from their cosy theoretical standpoint. Meanwhile many Hindu communities, most of whom are ignored by the media, have been taking a stand against the mean-spirited conversions they've had to endure. However, having said that, you'll also find real Brahmanas especially Swamis, trying to do something to stem the tide of conversions and protect the very people being preyed on.
In reality, there are only three categories of Hindus involved: the Hindu who is aware of the problem, the Hindu who is unaware and of course the psecular 'Hindu' who is clueless <i>and</i> useless in this issue.
This is not a joke. People seem to think the matter is something to discuss while reclining on their armchair over a cup of tea. It is other peoples' lives we're talking about. They're not some fictional group living in your head, only to come out when the topic comes up. They are living, breathing now, and are vulnerable now. One should want all Hindus (and all of the world's unconverted populace) to feel safe, most particularly the vulnerable ones who get no protection because they get no media exposure.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Can we do a poll here and see how many hindus oppose coerced conversions and how many among them are actually from so called forward castes?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--emo&:blink:--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='blink.gif' /><!--endemo--> And how representative would this poll be? How many of the disprivileged Hindu communities - or generally poor individuals/families - would by now have access to a computer and be connected to the net (know typing, English) and have discovered this site? For a more representative sample, consider going to India, travelling around and asking around Hindu communities.
Here's a good example of the kind of mental derangement that results when one puts Indian and christianity together: the Indian missionary who wipes out another culture. Give it up for the Indian christos - our own kind has become colonialist, imperialist, christoterrorist! <!--emo&:furious--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/furious.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='furious.gif' /><!--endemo-->
http://www.crusadewatch.org/index.php?opti...d=465&Itemid=36
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Destroyed cultures: The unfortunate story of Totos</b>
Tuesday, 29 August 2006
The Totos are a small tribe of 1241 people that lives close to the Bhutan border. They have a small temple but gather in it only once a year for an annual ritual.
They are a ferocious and fighting people, and very proud of their culture and religion. Their main livelihood is pig farming.
<b>The militant Nagas heard about them and sent missionaries</b> to start a work among them. At first they had limited success. The Toto chief heard about them, and beat the missionaries terribly who fled for their lives.
In 1996, pastor <b>P.M. Thomas a keralite</b> representing Himalayan Evangelical Mission, a church planting organization approached Totos as a stranger.
He convinced the Totos to let him start an English medium school by adopting the education evangelism strategy.
Totos donated five acres of land let pastor Thomas start the school under the condition that he should not engage in converting their tribe.
1997 the school started functioning in Totopara with 65 students.Five more missionaries were brought in as teachers one of whom married the daughter of a Toto leader.
Pastor Thomas specifically told the missionaries not to baptize one-by-one and wait for atleast 50% of the population to be brought under their fold before performing mass conversion. He feared that any conversion on individual basis would bring a backlash for this valiant tribe and result in the killing of the convert and missionaries.
It seems that his team has achieved its goal of wiping off another native culture from the face of earth.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Bunch o' terrorists.