10-29-2006, 12:59 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->HOWEVER, I think, it is important to analyze why they are reacting this way, rather than reciprocating the same thing to them.
First of all, we must avoid generalizing that they are anti-Hinduism or something like that.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
One can extend this argument to Muslims and Christians, and say they aren't really anti-hindu. And we mustn't react like they do. We must forgive muslims and christians, and try to understand why they're doing this, analyze the whole thing, perhaps have a dialogue. Riiiight!
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I have had plenty of Sikh and Jain friends and I find them all very respectful to Hinduism. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh, not this "I have many sikh friends" argument again! <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo--> I have plenty of Muslims who love hinduism, so what? Evidently, no man in his right mind will openly admit he hates you and your religion. So please don't be hasty and conclude that because you have half of dozen sikh friends.....
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->division amongst Hindus was effectivy promoted from 1870s onwards by British imperialist designs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You don't make a clay pot from nothing. You make a clay pot from clay, which means you can only create out of what you've already got. Likewise, Brits or whoever simply created sikh/jain/buddhist hatred out of already (existing) hatred amongst these groups. It's not as if these people were pure and without hatred, and the brits magically transformed them into savages.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->And as we know, spreading hate is easier than love. Animosity is a better glue than affection. First British, then Nehruvian Secularists, then communists gave all support to this artificial hatred.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Excuses, you make it sound as if sikhs are naive babies and without nehruvian secs, commies and brits, they would've been angels. Can you at least accept the possibilty that they too can hate Hindus, as do christians and muslims? Why this justification? And the same people get angry if someone justifies muslim atrocities in like manner.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Difficult question. But it is easier to answere what we should NOT do. We must not react to Sikhs/Jains in the same way as some of them attack Hinduism. We must understand the situation, and act very carefully.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the same goes for christians and muslims. We shouldn't attack them, we must understand the situation and act very carefully. Let muslims and christians attack us, we must not attack them. After all, some of us believe that even if jains/sikhs attack us, we should try to understand the situation.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But did he even so much as raise a finger at Sikhs, Jains, Bauddhas? Never. Whenever he referred to these faiths, he did so with respect. If he did not agree to something, he ignored. He treated them sometimes with more respect than he did Hindu orthodoxy!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which doesn't impressed me in the least. Sorry. If you find A and B mistaken, you attack A mercilessly but you choose to ignore B. This is quite abnormal.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->What do we do then? Definitely not ignore or forget, certainly not attack back. Something, which will really start the inter-faith dialog amongst all these faiths... <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why reach out to people who don't even respect you? You might as well reach out to christians and muslims.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->By the way, in Atlanta various Hindu temples and organizations have come together under the banner of VHP, to celebrate November 5, 2006 as HINDU UNITY DAY (Link). The day happens to be Kartik Purnima - the Birth Day of Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Shows how deep hindu inferiority goes, choosing a sikh's birthday for this, rather than a Hindu saint's. And please don't argue it's out of respect for all religions etc. etc. Respecting others is one thing (and a good thing), but sucking up is another.
<span style='color:red'>But will Hindus ever learn? I don't think so. Just as some sections of hindus defend christians and muslims no matter what they do, there are others in our community who will defend 'our own sects' no matter what they do. The former is secular and the latter nationalist. What they have in common is that they both lack self-respect, which is why they suck up to minorities. </span>
First of all, we must avoid generalizing that they are anti-Hinduism or something like that.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
One can extend this argument to Muslims and Christians, and say they aren't really anti-hindu. And we mustn't react like they do. We must forgive muslims and christians, and try to understand why they're doing this, analyze the whole thing, perhaps have a dialogue. Riiiight!
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I have had plenty of Sikh and Jain friends and I find them all very respectful to Hinduism. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh, not this "I have many sikh friends" argument again! <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo--> I have plenty of Muslims who love hinduism, so what? Evidently, no man in his right mind will openly admit he hates you and your religion. So please don't be hasty and conclude that because you have half of dozen sikh friends.....<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->division amongst Hindus was effectivy promoted from 1870s onwards by British imperialist designs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You don't make a clay pot from nothing. You make a clay pot from clay, which means you can only create out of what you've already got. Likewise, Brits or whoever simply created sikh/jain/buddhist hatred out of already (existing) hatred amongst these groups. It's not as if these people were pure and without hatred, and the brits magically transformed them into savages.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->And as we know, spreading hate is easier than love. Animosity is a better glue than affection. First British, then Nehruvian Secularists, then communists gave all support to this artificial hatred.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Excuses, you make it sound as if sikhs are naive babies and without nehruvian secs, commies and brits, they would've been angels. Can you at least accept the possibilty that they too can hate Hindus, as do christians and muslims? Why this justification? And the same people get angry if someone justifies muslim atrocities in like manner.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Difficult question. But it is easier to answere what we should NOT do. We must not react to Sikhs/Jains in the same way as some of them attack Hinduism. We must understand the situation, and act very carefully.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the same goes for christians and muslims. We shouldn't attack them, we must understand the situation and act very carefully. Let muslims and christians attack us, we must not attack them. After all, some of us believe that even if jains/sikhs attack us, we should try to understand the situation.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But did he even so much as raise a finger at Sikhs, Jains, Bauddhas? Never. Whenever he referred to these faiths, he did so with respect. If he did not agree to something, he ignored. He treated them sometimes with more respect than he did Hindu orthodoxy!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Which doesn't impressed me in the least. Sorry. If you find A and B mistaken, you attack A mercilessly but you choose to ignore B. This is quite abnormal.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->What do we do then? Definitely not ignore or forget, certainly not attack back. Something, which will really start the inter-faith dialog amongst all these faiths... <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Why reach out to people who don't even respect you? You might as well reach out to christians and muslims.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->By the way, in Atlanta various Hindu temples and organizations have come together under the banner of VHP, to celebrate November 5, 2006 as HINDU UNITY DAY (Link). The day happens to be Kartik Purnima - the Birth Day of Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Shows how deep hindu inferiority goes, choosing a sikh's birthday for this, rather than a Hindu saint's. And please don't argue it's out of respect for all religions etc. etc. Respecting others is one thing (and a good thing), but sucking up is another.
<span style='color:red'>But will Hindus ever learn? I don't think so. Just as some sections of hindus defend christians and muslims no matter what they do, there are others in our community who will defend 'our own sects' no matter what they do. The former is secular and the latter nationalist. What they have in common is that they both lack self-respect, which is why they suck up to minorities. </span>