06-24-2006, 05:25 PM
Hello all
I'm new here on these forums and I'd like to ask a question about Kalki avatar to any resident experts:
Is it true that Kalki is described as "yantra-manava" in either the Kalki Purana or Mahabharata or some other relevant text in which he is mentioned?
According to http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/tamil/, "yantra-manava" would translate as follows:
yantra = n. any instrument for holding or restraining or fastening , a prop , support , barrier RV. &c. &c. ; a fetter , band , tie , thong , rein , trace Mn. MBh. ; a surgical instrument (esp. a blunt one , such as tweezers , a vice &c. , opp. to %{zastra}) Sus3r. Va1gbh. ; <b>any instrument or apparatus , mechanical contrivance , engine , machine </b>, implement , appliance (as a bolt or lock on a door , oars or sails in a boat , &c.) MBh. Ka1v. &c. (cf. %{kUpa-} , %{jala-} , %{taila-y-} ; ibc. or ifc. often = <b>mechanical</b> , magical) ; restraint , force (%{eNa} ind. forcibly , violently) MW. ; an amulet , mystical diagram supposed to possess occult powers Katha1s. Pan5car. (cf. RTL. 203).
manava = mf(%{I4})n. (fr. %{ma4nu}) <b>descended from or belonging to man or Manu , human</b> RV. &c. &c. ; favouring men RV. ix , 98 , 9 ; m. <b>a human being , man</b> RV. , &c. &c. ; patr. fr. %{ma4nu} (N. of Na1bha1-nedisht2ha , Sa1rya1ta , Cakshus , Nahusha , Bhr2igu. Su-dyumna , Karu1sha , and Deva-hu1ti) Br. Pur. &c. ; N. of a cosmic period VP. ; pl. the children of men , mankind RV. &c. &c. ; the races of men (of which 5 or 7 are reckoned) AV. Br. ; the subjects of a king Mn. R. ; N. of a school of the black Yajurveda Hcat. ; (%{I}) f. a daughter of man , a woman RV. &c. &c. ; Jasminum Auriculatum L. ; N. of a Vidya1-devi1 L. ; of a goddess (executing the commands of the 11th Arhat of the present Avasarpin2i1) L. ; of a river MBh. (v.l. %{tAnsasI}) ; pl. N. of partic. verses Gaut. ; n. a man's length (as a measure) VarBr2S. ; 1 partic. penance Pra7yasc. ; N. of various Sa1mans A1rshBr. [810,1] ; of Manu's law-book Vas. ; of a Varsha Cat.
A machine descended from man? Some kind of post-human? Or a machine man?
I'm willing to bet this "yantra-manava" describtion must have been started on the Internet by some keyboard intellectual who has actually never read the relevant texts. I cannot believe any text so ancient could describe an android or a posthuman.
Can anybody here shed any light on this?
Thank you very much in advance!
Marvel
I'm new here on these forums and I'd like to ask a question about Kalki avatar to any resident experts:
Is it true that Kalki is described as "yantra-manava" in either the Kalki Purana or Mahabharata or some other relevant text in which he is mentioned?
According to http://webapps.uni-koeln.de/tamil/, "yantra-manava" would translate as follows:
yantra = n. any instrument for holding or restraining or fastening , a prop , support , barrier RV. &c. &c. ; a fetter , band , tie , thong , rein , trace Mn. MBh. ; a surgical instrument (esp. a blunt one , such as tweezers , a vice &c. , opp. to %{zastra}) Sus3r. Va1gbh. ; <b>any instrument or apparatus , mechanical contrivance , engine , machine </b>, implement , appliance (as a bolt or lock on a door , oars or sails in a boat , &c.) MBh. Ka1v. &c. (cf. %{kUpa-} , %{jala-} , %{taila-y-} ; ibc. or ifc. often = <b>mechanical</b> , magical) ; restraint , force (%{eNa} ind. forcibly , violently) MW. ; an amulet , mystical diagram supposed to possess occult powers Katha1s. Pan5car. (cf. RTL. 203).
manava = mf(%{I4})n. (fr. %{ma4nu}) <b>descended from or belonging to man or Manu , human</b> RV. &c. &c. ; favouring men RV. ix , 98 , 9 ; m. <b>a human being , man</b> RV. , &c. &c. ; patr. fr. %{ma4nu} (N. of Na1bha1-nedisht2ha , Sa1rya1ta , Cakshus , Nahusha , Bhr2igu. Su-dyumna , Karu1sha , and Deva-hu1ti) Br. Pur. &c. ; N. of a cosmic period VP. ; pl. the children of men , mankind RV. &c. &c. ; the races of men (of which 5 or 7 are reckoned) AV. Br. ; the subjects of a king Mn. R. ; N. of a school of the black Yajurveda Hcat. ; (%{I}) f. a daughter of man , a woman RV. &c. &c. ; Jasminum Auriculatum L. ; N. of a Vidya1-devi1 L. ; of a goddess (executing the commands of the 11th Arhat of the present Avasarpin2i1) L. ; of a river MBh. (v.l. %{tAnsasI}) ; pl. N. of partic. verses Gaut. ; n. a man's length (as a measure) VarBr2S. ; 1 partic. penance Pra7yasc. ; N. of various Sa1mans A1rshBr. [810,1] ; of Manu's law-book Vas. ; of a Varsha Cat.
A machine descended from man? Some kind of post-human? Or a machine man?
I'm willing to bet this "yantra-manava" describtion must have been started on the Internet by some keyboard intellectual who has actually never read the relevant texts. I cannot believe any text so ancient could describe an android or a posthuman.
Can anybody here shed any light on this?
Thank you very much in advance!
Marvel