11-04-2005, 03:56 AM
<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Nov 4 2005, 02:55 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Nov 4 2005, 02:55 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->That being said I don't agree with Guleriaji's denigration of Jats, most communities collaborated to some degree with Muslims and there were many from the same community who resisted the invaders till their last breath, Gokul Jat was hacked to death piece by piece for refusing to become a Muslim but where I object is the garbage about historians being biased only against Jats, till now the control of history writing has been in the hands of anti hindu communists who as Guleriaji said did not have anything good to say about any predominantly Hindu community, for example why would Irfan Habib write about Gokul Jat when he tries to cover up Muslim intolerance and even tries to make out Aurangzeb as secular, writing about Gokul Jat would only prove something that he wants to cover up so he doesn't write about him (so its not because Gokul is a Jat that he is not very well known), its because those who control history writing in India want to cover up any resistance put by any Hindu community against the invaders and if Jats are part of this resistance they will also cover up Jat resistance along with the resistance of other Hindus.
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Mr Guleria, within his belief system, is quite right to be ticked off when he sees other views, some of them uncomplementary.
He himself is not denigrating the Jats.
He is simply repeating what he has been taught, and cannot understand why some community is so ungrateful, after all that the Rajputs did for them.
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His ( and others) belief systems are built upon what they were taught.
So it is only natural for them to believe the History of India, is theirs,and they were the proud defenders of Bharat since time immerorial.
When other views surface they get upset.
Bharatvarsh, It is not a matter of some members of some community collaborating with the Muslims.
It is a matter of bias, a matter of the version of history that is pushed and taught.
On bias, all writers/historians have a bias. I have one too.
When the Jat history is totally ignored or appropriated to other groups, Jats wonder why that is so.?
They look at the names of the authors, see names, which belong to the castes of Kayasths, Brahmins.
They put their work as down to bias.
It all may be unconscious, but then perception as we all know, is reality.
Then the quickest way to destroy a people, is to eradicate from them any knowledge of any heritage they have to be proud of.
For starters simply teach them they have no history!. When they are mentioned , show them as serfs, peasants, namak harams, plunderers and so on.
Why show that they ran an education sytem in 7th /8th century AD? or that many among them took to saintly pursuits, and were renowned scholars in their own rights?. Why show that their republican system survived upto 1857 and beyond, and it can traced back to the BCE period?
This is not something that can be laid at the door at the'secular' JNU historians only.
Hindu historians are equally guilty, for this has been in Indian history books far before the JNU ' eminent historians' crowd came onto the scene.- look at HCIP for example or H C Raichaudhary or Mahajan, or Tripati.
Some react.!( improperly, in my view)
The alienation surfaces in the discussion groups, as Mr Guleria , has noted, and then it feeds upon itself.
The effort should be on educating people, not engaging in brick bats bouts!
It does not help when someone like Airavat Singh is given prominence and the credibility of a good website like Bharat Rakshak
As the Jats start to reconstruct their history, that will upset existing applecarts!
Best regards
Ravi
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Mr Guleria, within his belief system, is quite right to be ticked off when he sees other views, some of them uncomplementary.
He himself is not denigrating the Jats.
He is simply repeating what he has been taught, and cannot understand why some community is so ungrateful, after all that the Rajputs did for them.
!
His ( and others) belief systems are built upon what they were taught.
So it is only natural for them to believe the History of India, is theirs,and they were the proud defenders of Bharat since time immerorial.
When other views surface they get upset.
Bharatvarsh, It is not a matter of some members of some community collaborating with the Muslims.
It is a matter of bias, a matter of the version of history that is pushed and taught.
On bias, all writers/historians have a bias. I have one too.
When the Jat history is totally ignored or appropriated to other groups, Jats wonder why that is so.?
They look at the names of the authors, see names, which belong to the castes of Kayasths, Brahmins.
They put their work as down to bias.
It all may be unconscious, but then perception as we all know, is reality.
Then the quickest way to destroy a people, is to eradicate from them any knowledge of any heritage they have to be proud of.
For starters simply teach them they have no history!. When they are mentioned , show them as serfs, peasants, namak harams, plunderers and so on.
Why show that they ran an education sytem in 7th /8th century AD? or that many among them took to saintly pursuits, and were renowned scholars in their own rights?. Why show that their republican system survived upto 1857 and beyond, and it can traced back to the BCE period?
This is not something that can be laid at the door at the'secular' JNU historians only.
Hindu historians are equally guilty, for this has been in Indian history books far before the JNU ' eminent historians' crowd came onto the scene.- look at HCIP for example or H C Raichaudhary or Mahajan, or Tripati.
Some react.!( improperly, in my view)
The alienation surfaces in the discussion groups, as Mr Guleria , has noted, and then it feeds upon itself.
The effort should be on educating people, not engaging in brick bats bouts!
It does not help when someone like Airavat Singh is given prominence and the credibility of a good website like Bharat Rakshak
As the Jats start to reconstruct their history, that will upset existing applecarts!
Best regards
Ravi