11-03-2005, 09:16 PM
Dear Bharatvarsh,
What I said is not influenced by colonial writings.... and I don't hate brahmins, I just said it in context of factual history... it should not be taken personally if you are brahmin... Jat follow principles of hinduism even though they didn't enjoy their deserved place in main stream hinduism... even those who work actively for hinduism agree on the point that brahmins have been responsible for degradation of hinduism... let me quote Shurdarshanji(RSS) who told this historical incident... there are many like this... and BTW I really praise RSS for great work they are doing even though media is doing its best to tarnish their image.....
"During Ranjit Singhâs time, a section of Kashmiri Muslims requested him to let them convert back to Hinduism because they realized dark realities of Islam. They were summoned near Jhelum for the ceremony for re-conversion. But then 7-8 âraj-purohitâ(Kashmiri Pundits) stood in Jhelum water with just their head out and said if Ranjit Singh lets them convert to Hinduism they would kill themselves and sin of âbrahmin-hatyaâ would fall on Ranjit. So they had their way. By those Punditâs arrogance and foolishness their descendants got kicked out of valley by descendants of same Muslims who wanted to come to Hinduism. They might be just small section of Muslims but I just wanted to make a point. So Hinduism should adapt itself to allow these kinds of movements."
but ultimately, our purpose is not to blame each other but move forward.... and we shd not let this discussion come in between and have feeling of hatred...
Above all we are Indians...
Som
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Seems like you learnt the lessons that the colonial masters taught you very well, merely blaming Brahmins and Brahminism is not going to help, you first show us that it was only Brahmins that degraded Hinduism and that they invented the caste system/laid it down for their benefit, even if it was only Brahmins that invented then who asked Jats to follow it, even today Jats prefer to marry with other Jats (not that there is anything wront with that) but why follow Brahminical rules like marrying within ones own Jati/caste/community when you hate Brahminism so much. It is well known that anti brahmin propaganda became very popular from the time the colonial forces came to Bharat, all the crap about caste being the cause of our defeats against invaders is just that "a big load of crap", the most prolific advance of missionaries has been among the tribals in the North East who have no caste system and the regions that were rapidly islamisised were Afghanistan and East Bengal which were influenced by Buddhism during the time of the islamic invasions.
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What I said is not influenced by colonial writings.... and I don't hate brahmins, I just said it in context of factual history... it should not be taken personally if you are brahmin... Jat follow principles of hinduism even though they didn't enjoy their deserved place in main stream hinduism... even those who work actively for hinduism agree on the point that brahmins have been responsible for degradation of hinduism... let me quote Shurdarshanji(RSS) who told this historical incident... there are many like this... and BTW I really praise RSS for great work they are doing even though media is doing its best to tarnish their image.....
"During Ranjit Singhâs time, a section of Kashmiri Muslims requested him to let them convert back to Hinduism because they realized dark realities of Islam. They were summoned near Jhelum for the ceremony for re-conversion. But then 7-8 âraj-purohitâ(Kashmiri Pundits) stood in Jhelum water with just their head out and said if Ranjit Singh lets them convert to Hinduism they would kill themselves and sin of âbrahmin-hatyaâ would fall on Ranjit. So they had their way. By those Punditâs arrogance and foolishness their descendants got kicked out of valley by descendants of same Muslims who wanted to come to Hinduism. They might be just small section of Muslims but I just wanted to make a point. So Hinduism should adapt itself to allow these kinds of movements."
but ultimately, our purpose is not to blame each other but move forward.... and we shd not let this discussion come in between and have feeling of hatred...
Above all we are Indians...
Som
<!--QuoteBegin-Bharatvarsh+Nov 4 2005, 02:18 AM-->QUOTE(Bharatvarsh @ Nov 4 2005, 02:18 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Everybody known that among all internal factors the Brahamnical society has been most resposible for the degradation of Hinduism. During Vedic period there was not rigid caste structure but it was laid down later by Brahims to their benefit. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seems like you learnt the lessons that the colonial masters taught you very well, merely blaming Brahmins and Brahminism is not going to help, you first show us that it was only Brahmins that degraded Hinduism and that they invented the caste system/laid it down for their benefit, even if it was only Brahmins that invented then who asked Jats to follow it, even today Jats prefer to marry with other Jats (not that there is anything wront with that) but why follow Brahminical rules like marrying within ones own Jati/caste/community when you hate Brahminism so much. It is well known that anti brahmin propaganda became very popular from the time the colonial forces came to Bharat, all the crap about caste being the cause of our defeats against invaders is just that "a big load of crap", the most prolific advance of missionaries has been among the tribals in the North East who have no caste system and the regions that were rapidly islamisised were Afghanistan and East Bengal which were influenced by Buddhism during the time of the islamic invasions.
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