<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>ISLAMABAD, Pakistan - A suicide bomber blasted a political gathering Saturday in northwestern Pakistan, killing at least 25 people, wounding dozens</b> and stoking fears about security surrounding this month's parliamentary election.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>US says Mullah Omar 'in Pakistan' </b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Taleban leader Mullah Omar and al-Qaeda commanders, including Osama Bin Laden, are living in Pakistan, a senior US official has told reporters.
He said senior <b>Taleban leaders were in hiding with Mullah Omar in Quetta</b>, from where they co-ordinated the insurgency in Afghanistan.
He also reiterated Washington's belief that Bin Laden was taking refuge in Pakistan's western tribal areas.
Islamabad repeatedly denies that Mullah Omar or Bin Laden are in Pakistan.
The US official, speaking on condition of anonymity in Washington, told reporters:
<b>"There is no question that the iconic leaders of al-Qaeda - (Ayman al-)Zawahiri, Bin Laden... are in the tribal areas of Pakistan. </b>
"We believe that the Taleban's shura (consultation) council leaders led by Mullah Omar reside in Quetta in Pakistan," he said
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<b>TEHRAN : <span style='color:red'>Talks on the Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) gas pipeline project have been cancelled due to unknown reason.</span></b>
The petroleum ministers of the three countries were to meet in Tehran on Monday and a signing ceremony on the agreement was also expected on the occasion.
<b><span style='color:green'>Caretaker Federal Petroleum and Natural Resources Minister Ehsanullah Khan was ready to leave for Tehran but was informed by diplomatic sources that the talks had been cancelled,</span></b> a private TV channel reported. Earlier, the Indian government had announced it would not participate in the talks till the time a new government were elected in Pakistan. online
Judge Baltasar Garzon of Spain : âIn my opinion, the jihadi threat from Pakistan is the biggest emerging threat we are facing in Europe. Pakistan is an ideological and training hotbed for jihadists, and they are being exported here.â
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>ISLAMABAD : China has said it was ready to join Pakistan and Iran in their gas pipeline project if India did not, sources told Daily Times on Sunday.
Pakistan plans to import 2.2 billion cubic feet of gas a day from Iran under the project, and has said it was willing to consume an additional 1.05 billion cubic feet if India did not join the project.
Sources said that China had told Pakistan it was interested in importing the additional gas if India did not join in. They said Iran had no objection to exporting gas to China.
In case China joined the project, the pipeline might pass through Gilgit, they said, where Pakistan has already approved a project to widen the Karakoram Highway. Pakistan also plans to extend a railway track to China to connect it to the Gwadar port. Chinese experts would visit Pakistan to finalise the route of the pipeline if it joined the project, they said.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This is great news, CHina is joining, now freedom fighters can enjoy wide area for fun. <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Pipeline will fly over Himalaya, plains of Tibet, good going.
Pakis should ask dear Moron Singh or Queen to appoint Aiyar again.
^ Mudy ji there are also Uighur freedom figthers from a 'peaceful religion' in East Turkistan province (CCP calls it Xinjiang) who would love to see the pipe being laid and then blow it up so that they can express their 'peaceful' intentions.
Any pipeline that china lays has to go through this troubled province.
Check terrain, it will take centruries to lay pipelines, and all trigger happy pious jihadi will waste no time to tease Paki Army or President or Chini.
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The freedom fighters in pakisatan resisting pakjabi oppression will first let the pipeline be fully constructed and then start playing with pakisatan's jugular vien.
02-11-2008, 02:33 PM (This post was last modified: 02-11-2008, 03:14 PM by Naresh.)
<b>Mudy Ji & Harshvardan Ji :</b>
It is only the Kaangress Kaamunist Kriminal Klan, the DDM, the WKK Ilk etc. who will believe this news.
Consider :
1. Xinjiang is a Natural Gas and possibly Oil Rich Region. There is a Huge Pipeline transporting possibly Two to Three Billion Cubic Feet of Natural Gas to mainly the Southern and Eastern Chinese Seaboards - where most of Chinaâs Industries are concentrated as also to the Northern China Regions.
2. As such the Pipeline from Pakistan will have to traverse a distance of maybe Six to Eight Thousand Kilometres thereby making it totally uneconomical as compared to China Importing Iranian Natural Gas in the form of LNG by Chinese built LNG Carriers.
Thus IMHO the Lotastanis along with their Chinese Masters are indulging in a lot of Balderdash, Bovine Faecal Droppings, Cobblers, Horses Feathers and what have you.
This is plain and simple subterfuge by the Lotastanis and their Non-Halal Killed Pig Skin Shoes Exporting to the Land of the Pure Masters in pressurizing the Week Kneed Bird Brained Indians Leaders of every Ilk.
Who in their sanity will believe this unadulterated 24 carat 100% pure Charlie Romeo Alpha Papa?
<span style='color:blue'>Chinese state oil giant China National Petroleum Corporation has finalized plans for construction of China's second west-east natural gas pipeline, the state-run Xinhua News Agency reported Wednesday.</span></b>
Hou Chuangye, vice general manager of the PetroChina Natural Gas and Pipeline Company, part of CNPC, was quoted by Xinhua as telling the China LNG Conference 2008 this week that the project required an estimated investment of Yuan 143.49 billion ($19.66 billion).
<b><span style='color:red'>The second west-east trunk line will run for 4,945 km (3,070 miles) from Khorgos in northwestern China's Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region, then eastward to Gansu province, where it will converge with the currently operational first west-east pipeline. It will then turn southeast through Shanxi, Henan, and Jiangxi provinces to end in Guangzhou, capital city of southern China's Guangdong province.
The new pipeline system, consisting of one trunk line and eight sub-lines, is expected to be officially launched in 2010 with a designed natural gas transmission capacity of 30 Bcm/year (1.06 Tcf/year). CNPC's president Jiang Jiemin said last year that gas for the new system will come from Turkmenistan.</span></b>
"The second phase pipeline project was originally planned to be built from 2010, but now it has been moved forward because China's demand for natural gas has been growing fast," a CNPC official said earlier.
China's demand for natural gas is expected to reach 100 Bcm in 2010, while domestic output was predicted to be around 80 Bcm in the year, Xinhua said.
The existing 4,000 km west-east natural gas pipeline, launched in October 2004, runs eastward from Xinjiang to Shanghai, where it terminates. It consists of a 17 Bcm/year western section and a 12 Bcm/year eastern section. The eastern section is undergoing an expansion program to increase its transmission capacity to 17 Bcm/year by 2010.
<b>TURKMENISTAN GAS</b>
Under agreements reached in 2006, Turkmenistan is to deliver 30 Bcm/year (2.9 Bcf/day) of natural gas via a pipeline to China for 30 years. The 7,000 km route will run from gas fields on the right bank of Amu Darya river in the east of the country through Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan to Korgas in China's northwestern frontier Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region.
The gas deal signed between Turkmenistan and CNPC in 2006 also provides for Turkmen and Chinese companies to carry out joint exploration and development of deposits and fields on the right bank of Amu Darya under a production sharing agreement.
The 30 Bcm/year of supply which Turkmenistan has committed will be made up of 13 Bcm/year of production from CNPC's PSC area, and another 17 Bcm/year of gas resources that the Turkmen government has promised to develop and deliver to China.
<b>MIR ALI : <span style='color:red'>At least 8 people have been killed and 10 wounded in a suicide attack near Mir Ali in North Waziristan on Monday.</span></b>
According to Geo News, suicide bomber attacked a lashkar when it left Adik area near Mir Ali to take part in an operation against foreign aliens. Details to be followed.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>All is not well. Our country has gone to the dogs. We are about to break up. What will become of us? We are a failed state. <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>We have only 10 more years to go as a country.</span></b> How long will we as Pakistanis continue to listen to our armchair analysts who preach doom and gloom?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>There is no smoke without fire. All is not well. Our interior minister disclosed this week that as compared to six incidents of terror in 2006, <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>there were 56 such incidents in 2007.</span> If this is not a wake up call, then what is? The ongoing war in the tribal areas has now forced the government to think of a âShariah packageâ for parts of the NWFP. What can we expect next? <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>If this is not a sign of the Taliban winning then what is?</span></b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That is <b>not</b> enough for china's power needs. Right now they are producing cheap electricity through burning coal but the recent huge dispurtions due to the snowfall has made them to think about the need to switch over to other sources.
And another reason is china is getting hammered at the intl stage for it's CO2 emissions(world's highest), largely due to the burning of coal.
They need large quantites of gas so that the cost of producing electricity is low. Otherwise one of china's chief economic advantage i.e cheap power to run industries is lost.
China cant take the sea route of supplying gas through super-tankers as the oceans and seas routes are prone to disruptions due to weather, piracy, military activity,etc. That's why they are using the land route of using pipelines to transport gas.
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<b>Harshvardan Ji :</b>
Could you - for the sake of my enlightenment - advise as to the route-areas to be followed if Turkmenistan and Zinjiang Natural Gas would be transported if it was to be in LNG Form by way of Marine Transportation on the High Seas?
Regarding use of Coal : "Clean Burning of Coal" Technology already exists.
<!--QuoteBegin-"Naresh"+-->QUOTE("Naresh")<!--QuoteEBegin-->Could you - for the sake of my enlightenment - advise as to the route-areas to be followed if Turkmenistan and Zinjiang Natural Gas would be transported if it was to be in LNG Form by way of Marine Transportation on the High Seas?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I was refering to the Iran-Pakiland-China pipeline and not the Turkemenistan and Xinjiang pipelines. The latter two have land routes to china's east coast.
If china wants iranian natural gas there are 2 routes, one sea and other the land based. China will not opt for the sea route that's why this pipeline through pakiland is being discussed.
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But are the costs are so low that china can continue producing and supplying low-cost(Subsidizied) electricity.
<!--QuoteBegin-"Naresh"+-->QUOTE("Naresh")<!--QuoteEBegin-->Please read the "Energy Sector-2" Thread.
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Left you an message in that thread.
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If china wants iranian natural gas there are 2 routes, one sea and other the land based. China will not opt for the sea route that's why this pipeline through pakiland is being discussed.
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Many thanks for the clarification and confirming that there are Two Routes in the Iran-China Sector.
Regarding Comparing the Transportation Natural Gas by Land with Transporting it as LNG please refer to the following :
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I trust the Distance from the Iranian Gas Fields - via Pakistan and Turkmenistan - to the Chinese Eastern-Southern Seaboards would be between 5,000 and 6,000 Miles. Please compare the differences between the Cost of Transportion at these Distances!
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Please read the Articles on the Clean Burning of Coal.
Cost of Using Coal : I suppose if not at USD 100 per Barrel in case of Oil then definitely at USD 200 per Barrel.
I do feel that eventually we - our future Generations for sure - will have to go back to the Use of Coal as Oil and Natural Gas do have a limited supply, be it 100 Years or more.
Nareshji i will check the pdf file and will later comment on the transportation costs of LNG but first about 'Clean Coal'.
Googled the words 'Clean Burning of Coal' and the first link is this
Some excerpts
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But for all the talk, clean-burning coal will likely remain an oxymoron for years to come. The utility industry, which uses coal to generate 52% of its electricity, faces formidable political, economic and technological obstacles to getting "clean."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->During the 1980s, Congress ponied up <b>$2.75 billion</b> for the Department of Energy's Clean Coal Technology program, which sponsored <b>31 demonstration projects</b>. The cleanest projects, called "combined-cycle coal-gasification plants," turn coal into gas, which is burned to generate electricity.
<b>So far, there have been no commercial orders for them.</b> In recent years, utilities have almost exclusively built natural-gas-fired plants, which meet environmental standards and use a fuel that -- until last year -- was abundant and cheap. <b>In fact, $467 million of the demonstration money remains unspent.</b>
Hundreds of industry executives and politicians have recently trooped through a gasification plant built by Tampa Electric Co. in Polk County, Fla., <b>with $140 million of help from the DOE</b>. Situated amid a 1,511-acre "recreational preserve" that includes five fishing lakes and bird-nesting islands designed with help from the National Audubon Society, <b>the plant is 10% more efficient than most coal-fired plants.</b>
<b>But it still is far from clean. Coal contains dozens of noxious chemicals, including lead, arsenic and other heavy metals; sulfur dioxide, which creates acid rain; nitrogen oxides, which create smog; tiny soot particles, which can invade and collect in human lungs; mercury, a toxic metal that accumulates in animals, fish and the humans who eat them; and carbon dioxide, which many scientists believe is artificially warming Earth's atmosphere by trapping more heat from the sun.</b>
While the Tampa power plant collects more of these than traditional plants, plant officials say that it was not built to cope with mercury, which is facing federal regulation, or CO2. Both continue to go right up the stacks.
The government has money for incentives: Besides the $467 million in unspent demonstration money, the Bush budget would add another $2 billion in the next 10 years. In addition, the administration proposes to extend tax credits to support research and development projects and directs federal agencies to "explore new regulatory approaches" that will encourage advances in clean-coal technology.
<b>"Clean-burning coal is a complete oxymoron," declares Lori Ehrlich, a Marblehead, Mass., housewife who has taken on PG&E National Energy Group, a unit of San Francisco-based PG&E Corp. that bought two old coal-fired plants in Massachusetts. The fight began after one plant, in Salem, left part of Ms. Ehrlich's house coated in soot.</b>
<b>He figures the process will take at least 20 years to develop and could double the price of electricity</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Millions of dollars are spent on 'Clean burning of coal' and yet there is no new proces through coal could be used in large scale power plants without adversely harming the environment.
Think about the situation in china. They dont have the money so that they could conduct such research and even if they somehow conduct the research and achieve success in inventing an new method of using coal 'cleanly' they cant afford the cost of changing their present coal fired plants.
Rather china's decision to go with Iranian pipeline looks more feasible since iran has received chinese made long range missiles and during the present Iranian nuke spat with US, china is the security council member which is threatening to use the veto if any new UN sanctions are sought to be imposed on Iran.
Iran may well reward china for this help by lowering the selling price of the gas.
1. Has the Iran Preliminary Agreement with China - made in November 2004 - to Supply 20 Million Tonnes of LNG Annually over a Period of Twenty Five Year been Concluded, Finalized and Signed?
2. How many times have the Uyghur Freedom Fighters âPipe Lineâ Succeeded in their Attacks on the Natural Gas Pipe Line, from the Tarim Basin (in Xinjiang) to Shanghai?
The supply started in December 2006 and is transporting about 1.5 Billion Cubic Feet of Natural Gas per day
3. China is getting Oil from Kazakhstan and will get Natural Gas from Turkmenistan - possibly also from other CARistans - and as such China has concluded agreements with all the CARistan States to close down the Offices of the Uyghur Freedom Fighters. All these offices are already closed.
4. China will not let itself be seen to be a weak entity. China will sacrifice everything to stick to its task of improving China.
During the 1950s and 1960s China carried out a Mass Starvation Programme so as to bring its People in line with the Thought of Chairman Mousey Dung.
The Chinese Population Officially Decreased from 672,070,000 in 1959 to 658,590,000 in 1961 i.e. a DECREASE of 13,380,000 or shall we say over 13 Million.
The Population should have increased by 27 Million thus the real decrease in Chinaâs population between the Years 1959 and 1960 was Forty Million.
5. On the other hand in 2006 Pakistan has suffered over 400 Attacks to it Pipe Lines - be they Oil, Natural Gas, Acid or Water - along with Electricity Transmission Towers, Radio Communication Towers and even an Airport in Balochistan. I do not have the Figures for 2007 but I believe they are even worse and the Pakistani Government has done its best to sweep a majority of them under the carpet.
The Iran-Pakistan-China Natural Gas Pipe Line is, in my humble opinion, all bluff & bluster, deceit, humbug, poppycock, subterfuge etc. to make the stupid Indian Kaangress Kammunist Kriminal Klan to agree to the Iran-Pakistan-India and Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India Pipe Lines.
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