05-12-2005, 02:29 AM
"Forget about spirituality, even sociologically and psychologically, this "anything goes, we are so tolerant" philosophy is very harmful to Vedic dharma. On one hand, this older generation of Vivekananda-inspired nationalist Hindus keeps repeating this mantra of "equal-equal tolerance", and on the other hand, the younger generation is wondering why these same people get upset about conversions. This is just one of the many contradictions in this mayavad."
Dont' know where u get these ideas from, the nationalist Hindus and Vivekananda followers don't preach that all religions are equal, the ones who do are the Gandhi followers. It was Gandhi who gave foremost importance to the term "sarva-dharma-sambhava", and what makes u think Vivekananda is the only one influencing Hindus, we have other ppl like Shri Aurobindo and Veer Savarkar who also influence Hindus as much as Swami Vivekananda does. Swami Vivekananda was the one who emphatically emphasised that Hindus must reconvert Hindus who converted, again if being labelled as a Hindu is offensive to u, fine don't call urself that but as i said before the vast majority of the so called Vaishnavas have no problem with it. If IKSCON wants to call itself as Gaudiya Vaishnava then fine, no one is stopping them but they don't have the right to act as if they speak for all Vaishnavas, IKSCON can call themselves whatever they want to no one is stopping them. If u want to have debates with other sects of Hinduism and criticise them no problem but when an outsider like a Muslim or Christian asks what u are u say that u r a Hindu not a Vaishnava or Shaiva, an org which tries to break up Hindus into little sects is no different than a missionary who tries to separate Dalits or Tribals from Hindu society. We all know that philosophical differences exist between diff sects but we don't go around calling ourselves Vaishnavas and denigrating other Hindus especially infront of outsiders. Actually ISKCON says that Allah and Krishna are the same, just read this:
http://krishna.org/Articles/2000/10/00184.html
And let's see what Swami Vivekananda had to say about Hindus getting converted:
"Of course, he said, Hindus who became Muslims must be taken back into the Hindu fold. Otherwise our numbers will keep dwindling -- we used to be around 600 million by the reckoning of Ferishta, the oldest Muslim historian, now we are just 200 million. "And then", he continued, "every man going out of the Hindu pale is not only a man less, but an enemy the more."
That is the new darling of the communists and secularists, Swami Vivekananda, answering questions put to him by the editor of Prabuddha Bharat. Not only what he goes on to say but the word he uses for the converts is bound to stick in the secularistsâ throat. "Again," says Swami Vivekananda continuing his reasons for accepting them back as Hindus, "the vast majority of Hindu perverts to Islam and Christianity are perverts by the sword, or the descendants of these. It would be obviously unfair to subject these to disabilities of any kind. As to the case of born aliens, did you say? Why, born aliens have been converted in the past by crowds, and the process is still going on..." (The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda, Volume V, pages 233-4. In all subsequent references to these books, the number of the volume is given first followed by the page number.)"
http://arunshourie.voiceofdharma.com/art...930131.htm
Swami on the Prophet:
"The yogi says there is a great danger in stumbling upon this state. In a good many cases, there is the danger of the brain being deranged, and, as a rule, you will find that all those men, however great they were, who had stumbled upon this superconscious state without understanding it, groped in the dark, and generally had, along with their knowledge, some quaint superstition. They opened themselves to hallucinations. Mohammad claimed that the Angel Gabriel came to him in a cave one day and took him on the heavenly horse, Harak, and he visited the heavens. But with all that Mohammad spoke some wonderful truths. If you read the Koran, you find the most wonderful truths mixed with superstitions. How will you explain it? That man was inspired, no doubt, but that inspiration was, as it were, stumbled upon. He was not a trained yogi, and did not know the reason of what he was doing. Think of what the good Mohammad did to the world, and think of the great evil that has been done through his fanaticism! Think of the millions massacred through his teachings, mothers bereft of their children, children made orphans, whole countries destroyed, millions upon millions of people killed!... So we see this danger by studying the lives of great teachers like Mohammad and others. Yet we find, at the same time, that they were all inspired. Whenever a prophet got into the superconscious state by heightening his emotional nature, he brought away from it not only some truths, but some fanaticism also, some superstition which injured the world as much as the greatness of the teaching helped."
http://arunshourie.voiceofdharma.com/art...930131.htm
Not quite what a person who believes that all religions are equal would say and neither do most Hindu nationlists say that all religions are equal, please check facts before u say whatever u want.
Dont' know where u get these ideas from, the nationalist Hindus and Vivekananda followers don't preach that all religions are equal, the ones who do are the Gandhi followers. It was Gandhi who gave foremost importance to the term "sarva-dharma-sambhava", and what makes u think Vivekananda is the only one influencing Hindus, we have other ppl like Shri Aurobindo and Veer Savarkar who also influence Hindus as much as Swami Vivekananda does. Swami Vivekananda was the one who emphatically emphasised that Hindus must reconvert Hindus who converted, again if being labelled as a Hindu is offensive to u, fine don't call urself that but as i said before the vast majority of the so called Vaishnavas have no problem with it. If IKSCON wants to call itself as Gaudiya Vaishnava then fine, no one is stopping them but they don't have the right to act as if they speak for all Vaishnavas, IKSCON can call themselves whatever they want to no one is stopping them. If u want to have debates with other sects of Hinduism and criticise them no problem but when an outsider like a Muslim or Christian asks what u are u say that u r a Hindu not a Vaishnava or Shaiva, an org which tries to break up Hindus into little sects is no different than a missionary who tries to separate Dalits or Tribals from Hindu society. We all know that philosophical differences exist between diff sects but we don't go around calling ourselves Vaishnavas and denigrating other Hindus especially infront of outsiders. Actually ISKCON says that Allah and Krishna are the same, just read this:
http://krishna.org/Articles/2000/10/00184.html
And let's see what Swami Vivekananda had to say about Hindus getting converted:
"Of course, he said, Hindus who became Muslims must be taken back into the Hindu fold. Otherwise our numbers will keep dwindling -- we used to be around 600 million by the reckoning of Ferishta, the oldest Muslim historian, now we are just 200 million. "And then", he continued, "every man going out of the Hindu pale is not only a man less, but an enemy the more."
That is the new darling of the communists and secularists, Swami Vivekananda, answering questions put to him by the editor of Prabuddha Bharat. Not only what he goes on to say but the word he uses for the converts is bound to stick in the secularistsâ throat. "Again," says Swami Vivekananda continuing his reasons for accepting them back as Hindus, "the vast majority of Hindu perverts to Islam and Christianity are perverts by the sword, or the descendants of these. It would be obviously unfair to subject these to disabilities of any kind. As to the case of born aliens, did you say? Why, born aliens have been converted in the past by crowds, and the process is still going on..." (The Complete Works of Swami Vivekananda, Volume V, pages 233-4. In all subsequent references to these books, the number of the volume is given first followed by the page number.)"
http://arunshourie.voiceofdharma.com/art...930131.htm
Swami on the Prophet:
"The yogi says there is a great danger in stumbling upon this state. In a good many cases, there is the danger of the brain being deranged, and, as a rule, you will find that all those men, however great they were, who had stumbled upon this superconscious state without understanding it, groped in the dark, and generally had, along with their knowledge, some quaint superstition. They opened themselves to hallucinations. Mohammad claimed that the Angel Gabriel came to him in a cave one day and took him on the heavenly horse, Harak, and he visited the heavens. But with all that Mohammad spoke some wonderful truths. If you read the Koran, you find the most wonderful truths mixed with superstitions. How will you explain it? That man was inspired, no doubt, but that inspiration was, as it were, stumbled upon. He was not a trained yogi, and did not know the reason of what he was doing. Think of what the good Mohammad did to the world, and think of the great evil that has been done through his fanaticism! Think of the millions massacred through his teachings, mothers bereft of their children, children made orphans, whole countries destroyed, millions upon millions of people killed!... So we see this danger by studying the lives of great teachers like Mohammad and others. Yet we find, at the same time, that they were all inspired. Whenever a prophet got into the superconscious state by heightening his emotional nature, he brought away from it not only some truths, but some fanaticism also, some superstition which injured the world as much as the greatness of the teaching helped."
http://arunshourie.voiceofdharma.com/art...930131.htm
Not quite what a person who believes that all religions are equal would say and neither do most Hindu nationlists say that all religions are equal, please check facts before u say whatever u want.