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6. Why Niraj Rai may be bad news: i.e. not accidentally so.



N Rai is a newly minted(?) (or planted, on the Indian side) geneticist in India working on Indian aDNA.



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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2



Postby Prem Kumar » 30 Apr 2018 23:35

Here's an interesting tidbit: Niraj Rai, who has done a U-turn and become an AIT supporter, was granted a visiting scholarship at Harvard Medical School (Reich lab)!!



Recall the incident where Witzel offered Talageri a scholarship at Harvard if the latter changed his views



Now this guy Niraj Rai leaks information about the absence of R1a in IVC aDNA to Open Magazine, before his paper is even sent for peer-review!



Read in full www.pgurus.com/early-steppe-vs-middle-to-late-steppe/

Excerpt from pgurus.com/early-steppe-vs-middle-to-late-steppe/

About a week ago, an Indian scientist who has recently (2016–17) been awarded a visiting fellowship at the Harvard Medical School (where the new age race-theorist Third Reich is a faculty), and with access to ancient Indus Valley Civilisation (IVC) bone samples with the ancient DNA in them, has claimed the following in an interview with the Open Magazine before the data has been submitted, peer-reviewed and published, “While Rai and Shinde are tight-lipped about what the DNA samples extracted from the Indus Valley remains show, Rai does reveal that the R1a genetic marker is missing in the sample. This is a significant revelation. R1a is believed to have originated sometime between 22,000 and 25,000 years ago.”

Reuters paid some (christo?) communist in the anti-Hindu infestation centre that is JNU to claim to be "Hindu" for a change and produce a soundbyte to humiliate all Hindus, that christos like Tony Joseph can then repeat in the christo-controlled Indian media, and which plants like Niraj Rai can then retweet:



b. [color="#0000FF"]twitter.com/nirajrai3?lang=en[/color]



The twitter page of Niraj Rai. Not much there at all: not many tweets over the years.



BUT, here is Niraj Rai retweeting Christian and other anti-Hindus' tweets lampooning Hindus (retweeting no less than Tony Joseph who wrote the recent Chindu article promoting AIT):

Niraj Rai Retweeted



Hari Menon [twitter.com/runbikehurry/status/971066805660934144]

‏ @runbikehurry

Mar 6



Hari Menon Retweeted Tony Joseph



The edifying sight of a culturally rich society actively trying to flush itself down the stupidity shitpipe.

Tony Joseph

‏ @tjoseph0010



"One of the Sanskrit scholars, Santosh Kumar Shukla, a professor at JNU, told Reuters he believes India’s Hindu culture is millions of years old."

Modern humans, Homo Sapiens, emerged only about 300,000 years ago!

www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/india-modi-culture/

Just look and think for a minute HOW Niraj Rai chooses to interpret what was said and that he retweets it in a negative sense, specifically with deliberation to lampoon. Of course the Sanatana Dharma is literally eternal, as it started with the eternal Gods from whom the cosmos/multiverse derives. But all heathenisms are eternal in the same way and for the same reasons: Taoism, Shinto, GrecoRoman religio etc. Animals, plants and the entire natural world are considered heathen and of heathenism; so long before any hominids made it to the subcontinent or any part of the world, the culture of heathenism -- truth, R^ta -- all reigned, as seen also in the world of animals (from whom -- behavioural biologists inform us -- our notions of 'morality' derives. I.e. animals had the Dharma or whatever Taoists/Shintoists/GrecoRoman heathens call this since ur-times, innately, as it is a natural feature of the aatman or kamis of all creatures and things).

But that view is in this context distinct again from the natural heathen argument of the Hindoos for indigenism.



But Niraj Rai is not a Hindoo and not an Indian nationalist (as the definition of the latter should be made to include someone who has at least a natural sympathy for the native heathen, i.e. Hindoo, view and won't choose to misinterpret it in the worst possible way, but would choose to understand the heathen sense in which these things are perceived and ought to be represented). No, Rai only understands and agrees with Tony Joseph's "views": that of deliberate misrepresentation of how heathens view the heathen cosmos. And reuters, christo Tony and christo-endorser Rai consequently lampoon the Hindu heathen view. Reuters' whole aim is to present Hindus as equally deranged or more so than as christoislamics (i.e. believer

/faith based types). Tony and Rai's aim is to present Hindus alone as deranged, whereas of course Tony will swear by the truth and rationality of christianism. And Rai (whether merely secular traitor working for Harvard or a already crypto himself , who knows?) will probably never attack christo-islam, the way nearly all seculars in India are curiously sensitive to christo-islamic sentiments (which indicates their tendency for christoislam).



And practically all Rai's other tweets are about some Georgian christo "martyr" queen from the Caucasus whose bones had been sent to India (oh good grief, why?) and the aDNA findings related to that (which Chaubey merely worked on with foreign teams).



And so Rai's twitter comments summarise the totally of his interests: aDNA of christo queen remains in India AND retweeting in agreement the Hindu-baiting of Reuters and christo Tony Joseph's lampooning of Hindus (making Niraj Rai into a Hindu-baiter too, since he understands and agrees with the enemy and doesn't have even sympathy with the heathens to understand what the heathens may mean).



Rai like Joseph or any christo-islamic/"seculars" and other monotheist communist in India doesn't say anything about the endless proliferation of demonstrable nonsense by christo-islamics:

- on genetics discussion sites, can see Indian crypto/christos regularly swear by the historicity of St Thomas and his arrival in India and Syrian christians' "early" presence in India (while they nearly in the same breath insist the AIT is true and predict Elamo-Dravoodian; it's part of the christian agenda for India, the way establishing an "Eelam" for easier-christianisation purposes is part of the christian agenda for Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka). No Indian or European lampoons these deranged christo-islamics and their myths. OF COURSE. Rather, more likely to see international news repeating that St Thomas/Syrian christians arrived in India, though usually christian news leaves it alone, the way Indians and Euros don't respond to such things when uttered in their presence.

- no one makes fun of islamics publically swearing by faith-based nonsense or for saying someone "reverted" to islam, rather than the fact that they converted to it. As if islam is an eternal religion in ANY sense: missionary religions by definition aren't, not to mention that islam is the most recent of all the existing largescale religions.

When islamics give a hint of their islamism=terrorism/intolerance in public places (including on genetics discussion forums), they're almost never called out for it, let alone lampooned. If that ever happens they'll accuse the accuser of the concocted "islamophobia".

- But when Hindus say something not remotely terrorist or not remotely demonstrably false* like "I think aDNA will show Vedic culture is native to Bharatam/Hindu indigenism", Hindus will be castigated by AIT-pushing alien supremacists as Hindutva/modi-sympathizers/BJP/Indian science labs are dishonest if they uncover anything else than AIT/hateful of minorities (even though none spoke of or gave thought to the monotheist minorities, which didn't even exist at the ancient times under consideration). [* As we don't HAVE aDNA from the right dates and contexts from Bharatam yet, let alone sufficient aDNA. It will only suffice for Indian "Hindu" IEists if a sample size of 1 "proves" something or other than can be argued for AIT.]





7. Vagheesh Narasimhan frequently reports to Witzel. Explains why Vagheesh has settled not just on a steppe AIT (a.o.t. even an AMT), but on a Witzellian timescale for it what's more. (But "Hindu" IIEists predictable do so too eventually, so why expect better from useful idiots/plants like Vagheesh. I briefly looked his narcissistic displays on twitter: he speaks of his current work as IIRC "efforts in Vedanta", he still declares for now -- contrary to Manasataramgini below, who's already moved to where Vagheesh will openly move hereafter -- that even if the oryans invaded, the Vedas and hence Vedic religion are native etc. Establishing AIT and getting Hindus to accept it just stage one. Can't dump the full load on Hindus in one swoop and except it to take after all. So it happens in stages. Can already see the success of loser IIEist "Hindus" declaring to their Euro betters that their Vedic ancestors were indeed E Europeans/from E Europe months/a year back, without even waiting for Indian aDNA. That's how eager these IIEists were.

A later stage is to "scientifically/linguistically" establish that parts and eventually all "early"/hand-selected parts of the Veda were composed by full steppists=Euros outside Bharatam, and some self-professed Hindus will roll over for that too, as others already have been doing. Another stage is Elamo-Dravidian and brainwashing southern Hindus and even Hindus from other parts of India into thinking they were "Dravoodians" and "oppressed by invading oryans". MBh certainly and perhaps even the Ramayanam will eventually be declared as European history taking place in the Euro backyard of the steppe - claims already made since some years back in Russian/E European circles, went past Hindus. By that time many IIEists "Hindus" will be the first to roll over. Eventually it will end up eating into many Hindus' perception, as the IIEists' gangrene will reach them and affect their perceptions of Hindoo heathenism and their history, whereas the aliens could never reach them. Of course, the label Hindu and even a horrendously mangled version of what heathen means will still be claimed by all, who will even be insistent about it applying to them despite their massive subversion. That's NOT what heathen means though. But you'd need to be an actual heathen instead of a vedic reconstructionist type/other subverted type of Indian to understand why.



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Re: Out-of-India - From Theory to Truth: Part 2

Postby Nilesh Oak » 18 May 2018 07:09

Too late here in Amarika. Came back from ~10 day long trip. Met with Vagheesh and spent 3 hours with him. Will provide brief summary in next few days.



I had made a list of predictions (about things) before meeting with Vagheesh. All of the predictions came out correct. Some of them with R-square much higher than even I had expected.



More soon



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Postby Nilesh Oak » 18 May 2018 19:46



A_Gupta wrote:

On Twitter, manastaramgini:

Indo-Aryans: If we go by mainstream indological models the RV should have been composed in the Panjab no earlier than ~2000-1900 BCE - stretching things to the limit butm more like ~1700 BCE \pm 100 yrs. There are some serious problems with this which have been overlooked. Hence, we conclude that the core RV, meaning a certain archaic kernel of it was definitely composed outside India and probably much earlier even if the final redaction and compilation happened later in India. We see no other way out.



—— this is how “interpretation” works.







This is Vagheesh Narasimhan's interpretation, too.



Vagheesh is also forced to interpret writing of Ramayana and Mahabharata sometime after 1500-2000 BCE in India, based on folk knowledge/memory of Indian continent, but written in Sanskrit (which OF COURSE existed only after 2000 BCE).



When I brought up the nature of Sanskrit names of all character and places of these two epics - he did not realize what I was saying for a while - but then recovered and said the same thing would apply to the names! When I asked what he meant by that.....he was not sure how to solve the problem....so I went into his shoes and asked if he meant, "the writers of the epics began with non-Sanskrit names of actual historical incidents from folk knowledge/memory and converted them to 'Sanskrit' based names ---individuals (Dasharatha, Sahadeva, Krishna, Balarama, Kumhbakarna, Dashagriv, Sugriv and Agastya, etc.) /places (Hastinapur, INdraprastha, Kurukshetra,Ayodhya etc.) /rivers (Sarasvati, Yamuna, Iravati, Narmada, etc.) /mountains (Himavat, Mahendra, etc.)/ etc---- before transcribing......He said, "Yes".



Fun times ahead!

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Postby Nilesh Oak » 18 May 2018 19:54



shiv wrote:

Anshuman Kumar ji, other than me and a few other mice no one has attacked linguistics yet so there has been no sustained attack on linguistics. And as far as my knowledge goes no one else has launched as much of a tirade against linguistics as I have done so please don't imagine things. That we must not be in silos is a banal truism but unless someone joins me in my love affair with linguistics my battle is going to be a lonely one. But I have cast the first or at least one of the earliest stones at that pseudoscience. It has to be done. Linguistics is one of the legs that western worldvoew stands on and it needs to be attacked to see how they will respond. And respond they will, given time.





+108



When Vagheesh asked me who are other good Linguistics experts besides Talageri? He did not explicitly state it but wanted to know who were the names from the other camp?.. The first camp being likes of Witzel.



I responded, "Dr. Shiv Sastry" and also added that 99.99% of linguistics experts do not know what the word 'SCIENCE' means. And then said, Dr. Shiv is an ACE. [I did not know at the time of conversation that Vagheesh Narasimhan had blocked SS on Twitter]

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Vagheesh Narasimhan meets Li. Witzel (not unlike Dr. XYZ, Li. Witzel is my invention) often. He was going to meet Li. Witzel in next few days and I told him to convey my regards and also to check with him if he (Witzel) had a chance to read my Mahabharata book I sent to him in 2011.



I gave Vagheesh, author-autographed books of mine (both of them) and he told me he is eager to read them.



Nilesh

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Postby RoyG » 18 May 2018 21:39



Nilesh Oak wrote:



A_Gupta wrote:

On Twitter, manastaramgini:

Indo-Aryans: If we go by mainstream indological models the RV should have been composed in the Panjab no earlier than ~2000-1900 BCE - stretching things to the limit butm more like ~1700 BCE \pm 100 yrs. There are some serious problems with this which have been overlooked. Hence, we conclude that the core RV, meaning a certain archaic kernel of it was definitely composed outside India and probably much earlier even if the final redaction and compilation happened later in India. We see no other way out.



—— this is how “interpretation” works.







This is Vagheesh Narasimhan's interpretation, too.



Vagheesh is also forced to interpret writing of Ramayana and Mahabharata sometime after 1500-2000 BCE in India, based on folk knowledge/memory of Indian continent, but written in Sanskrit (which OF COURSE existed only after 2000 BCE).



When I brought up the nature of Sanskrit names of all character and places of these two epics - he did not realize what I was saying for a while - but then recovered and said the same thing would apply to the names! When I asked what he meant by that.....he was not sure how to solve the problem....so I went into his shoes and asked if he meant, "the writers of the epics began with non-Sanskrit names of actual historical incidents from folk knowledge/memory and converted them to 'Sanskrit' based names ---individuals (Dasharatha, Sahadeva, Krishna, Balarama, Kumhbakarna, Dashagriv, Sugriv and Agastya, etc.) /places (Hastinapur, INdraprastha, Kurukshetra,Ayodhya etc.) /rivers (Sarasvati, Yamuna, Iravati, Narmada, etc.) /mountains (Himavat, Mahendra, etc.)/ etc---- before transcribing......He said, "Yes".



Fun times ahead!

I don't agree with the notion that Niraj Rai did a "u-turn", despite Niraj Rai claiming to have been an "OIT" supporter. Doubt it. Probably a plant. Like Vagheesh Narasimhan from Harvard's end. Who DIDN'T expect that Harvard would put a token Indian as the first name on their SC/S Asia paper? I thought it would be the Indian regular on Harvard aDNA genetics papers, i.e. Swapan Mallick. But they found some newby with no track record in aDNA (who'd only published in health related genetics papers such as on malaria before now) for the job: Vagheesh. Vagheesh prances around twitter (like narcissists) like he's an expert on IE, e.g. speaking about how Afanasievo -> Tocharian when negative evidence has now been found linking the Afanasievo to the Tarim Basin. He even pretends it's settled that the steppe brought IE to India when there's NO evidence for what steppe populations spoke (were they ever really IE speakers, then why is there so very much steppe in Finno-Ugric populations, etc; and certain more important questions)?



Psychopaths (who are always technically narcissists too, but the reverse isn't necessarily true) don't care who they screw over, even their own families. So that explains the tendencies of these people to collude with Harvard on the Witzelian agenda.

A famous psychologist professor kept saying that research shows that psychopaths have been very successful CEOs and that's where one usually finds the ones not yet in prison. Maybe she should check Harvard or the Indians working with them at any rate.





In Niraj's case, his retweeting christo Tony Joseph's lampooning of Hindus is a tell tale sign of what Niraj Rai NEVER was: never a Hindu, never even an Indian nationalist.



(Tony Joseph is one of the many christos who've been activated in areas like the Indian media to get onto the church mandated agenda regarding the whole aDNA research in India and turn it into an AIT/Dravoodian for insinuating the latter into biblical contexts in the future. After all, pope JPII's command that it was Asia's turn to be converted to christendom in the 3rd millennium - a command issued from India IIRC - wasn't at sufficient speed yet.)





8. There were several aDNA papers by Harvard and its immediate associates that gradually laid its goals towards declaring AIT. You KNOW that that's what they were after, because in all such papers - which were about the aDNA of totally different geographic regions, quite removed from India -- they repeatedly spoke of how the results/conclusions may affect how IE lingo reached India.



That is, each time, a Harvardian paper on entirely non-Indian aDNA would have a section (or even conclusion) devoted to how future aDNA should be sampled to prove AIT/IE languages were brought to India.



See post 448



The more recent BMAC/Swat etc paper didn't have ancient Indian samples (or rather, only late/historic era ones for Swat: fits with aim of model all "W-Eurasian" in India as product of recent historical migrations.*) They used "nearby" samples to make "proxies" to "predict" what actual ancestry they would find in IVC. Magically that is what they have declared they found in the (hand-selected) single IVC sample out of 148 (147 magically didn't make it, though the success ratios are an order of magnitude better for SE Asia. As I said magic. It's all innocent, as is the AIT conclusions based on 1 sample, the deliberate early leaking so christians can start their psycho warfare and their balkanising project, the Witzellian date reducing the declared AIT to 1500-1100 as per Niraj Rai and Harvard's Vagheesh's "modelling" of what that 1 upcoming IVC sample and the Harvard proxy samples mean for 1500 bc India and onward. We know how right the ANI/ASI model turned out: oryanists had a field day then too using just models. The old ANI was all the "W-Eurasian" in India, and the old ASI was all that wasn't W-Eurasian in India and which was declared the sole natively Indian thing. Now the old ASI has simply been relabelled AASI. The new ASI = Iran Farmer + AASI. And new ANI is steppe on top of that).



* IIRC, the chronology is that Iran Neo was to have brought the "earliest" W-Eurasian to India. With their aim of saying that until then, India was "AASI" - absolutely 0 west Eurasian. This was what western supremacists had been "predicting" for a couple of years before Harvard "reached" the same conclusions with their gradual aDNA papers narrowing down on India).

The supremacist Euro notion behind it all is that AASI "can't conceivably" have come up with the Vedas or even civilisation and that W-Eurasian input was necessary for that: from Iran for IVC, from steppe for Vedas/Skt etc. The aim was to deny anything innately/long-term "W-Eurasian" to India. Notably, they knew they couldn't deny it to Iran, which is mostly "W-Eurasian".)



As others noted:

The Iran Neolithic Farmer component was first established to subsume that part of "W-Eurasian" in ANI.

So ANI parcelled out: each part taken by components deliberately established prior to getting to Indian data.

Meanwhile, early on, EHG was constructed to hide away its internal components*. So that EHG can then be used eat away at other modern populations and see how much "steppe" they take.

* WHG, and 75% "ANE" notably on the ONGE->Han cline; Onge used to be the proxy for old ASI/new AASI btw. So EHG as 75% ANE means EHG is 75% somewhere between Onge and Han. But magically, there is "NO ASI" in EHG. Remember that Yamna/early steppe = 50% EHG.



There's one loop hole that Harvard has not addressed ("I wonder why?") and which IIEists of course don't think of because they want the AIT to be established and have AIT blinders on. I'm sure Harvard will twig on it far sooner than IIEists, who can only follow anyway. And when Harvard twigs, I wonder what sleight of hand they'll use then.



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The aim was always India (consciously for Harvard, whereas India is considered in a dismissive by the plain supremacists), since if they can't explain India with their steppe homeland theory then the whole steppe IE thing fails. And in fact, if they win everything else "IE" except Sanskritam and the Veda, then the supremacists still feel like they have nothing because they primarily coveted Skt/the Vedam to bolster their notion that their ancestors were "awesome" warriors straight out of B-fantasy 80s movies. (It's why so many of them dabble in the Veda and Vedic Reconstructionism rather than anything else. The old example: it's why Deutsche Welle - German broadcaster - has/had a Skt language channel of ethnic Germans, rather than a Gothic language channel. It's why Slavic supremacists need to claim Balto-Slavic is inseparable from Indo-Iranian and Greek - exceptional claims to similarities are emphatically rejected by actual experts in print, btw - since there's nothing demonstrably ancient about Balto-Slavic and on its own the Balto-Slavs are unable to appreciate Balto-Slavic: they're only willing/able to appreciate it if they can insinuate it with Indo-Iranian and Greek.)



Harvard was additionally out to get India/Hindudom: Harvard cabal is anti-Hindu besides anti-Indian. Part of US foreign policy to balkanise India. Plus Witzel particularly feels spite against Hindus, but he's a nasty bitter little man.



But for other/for European genetics institutes, it's just about IE and supremacism. Not more. They're not (or not all of them are) part of the usual nexus to balkanise India - taking an anti-Hindu/anti-Indian position is not institutional for them - making the Roy Kings on board of them rarer: these institutions don't field the Roy Kings, the Roy Kings insinuate themselves into them.





With Harvard and the triple-threat nexus involved, none of this will end well. And none of the discoveries will actually be honest. Of course, with them involved, we'll never know the truth either: they'll just create "established truth". And as often happens, enough Indians "Hindus" will roll over/accept it in time to make it sink into the roots of the tree and poison all else.