* Self-piercing of bhaktas in trance during Thaipusam banned if done for Murugan. But self-piercing is okay when done for secular purposes.
* Apparently Kartikai Deepam at a major Subrahmanya (Murugar) temple banned
* Christo NGOs national and international - and useful idiots - worked hard, gradually, over the years, to get Jallikattu banned
And this next is a continuation from that other christian project started earlier, already documented in this thread, post 71 from 2010. <- 2010. Once more showing how christianism has - again, gradually - worked to lay the groundwork so that now it can at last get Temple elephants banned from Hindu temples, again in tandem with how churches in India have inculturated on temple elephants (c.f. how christians have tried to take over the bindi while trying to ban it among Hindus).
Exactly as happened with Jallikattu, international NGOs - known to be christian, see further below - are once more taking the matter to Indian (christo-infested) courts: all so as to ensure that Hindoos are proscribed from doing anything remotely Hindoo in Hindoo temples. In this case, to ban Hindoo temple elephants.
1. storify.com/trackevangelism/chuch-funded-ngo-intervening-temple
Rest at link.
Found via
2. twitter.com/krishnakerala
3. twitter.com/NR_Tatvamasi/status/586866854745903104
4. Meanwhile, twitterati pointed out that temple elephants hijacked for christianism are still alive and well. Christian NGOs will not ban this: it is only illegal for Hindoos to do Hindoo things for Hindoo purposes. But christians inculturating the same and rewriting it as christianism for christian purposes is entirely legal:
twitter.com/AnjaliGorg/status/576053985691484160/photo/1
pbs.twimg.com/media/B_6OCq6WUAAH0ZR.jpg
Christians MUST be kicked out of India. Sooner not later.
(If "Hindus" want to survive, like Hindu nationalists vocalists pretend they do.)
As seen in point 2 above, the UK - via its parliament, no less - is once more heavily active in trying to ban Hindoo things in Hindoo temples all the way in India. But I didn't know India was still British Raj? Who knew? And I guess BJP wants to be Congress B Team/an extension of alien control over India by doing Nothing about it, yet again.
And where was christobrit concern about elephants when the "great white christian" british-raj hunter hunted down Hindoo wildlife? How to recognise a christodemon: hypocrisy. Oh wait, hypocrites include christoconditioned too (Dawkins, et al).
Important things to bear in mind about the christian attempt to proscribe temple elephants in Hindoo temples. Repeat:
a. This is part of Project Thessalonika*: the christian project to prevent India's HindOOs from doing HindOO things
(* Original link was: christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1130133787 <- The site's source links are broken. Making it yet another site which was exposing christianism that has been carefully murdered by christianism. I've lost count of the sites that have been brought down: the groundbreaking Christian Heritage site - which first introduced Stannard's American Holocaust and Norman Lewis' Missionaries etc, not to mention the famous "christian crimeline" timeline, the 3 copies of What They Don't Tell You About Christianism site (I knew of 3, there may have been more), the Australian satanism site which exposed christian hypocrisies by documenting news reports of clerical child abuse. That last site already mentioned that christians were trying to take it down. And many other sites. All of worth that remains is jesusneverexisted.com and equally excellent western atheist sites.)
b. And this follows the pattern of the Codes of Theodosius & Justinian: the proscription (also gradual, to cook the unwitting frog) of all things heathen in the once-heathen Roman empire.
Both a and b are based on biblical commandment number 1: "thou shalt have no other gods before me", hence any expression of heathenism by heathens in heathen spaces must be thwarted by the demon christians, else they (and their non-existent gawd) feel "persecuted"/can't sleep.
This is happening under Modi's watch by the way. He'll probably do as much as he did for Jallikattu: aka nothing.
And his/BJP sycophants will continue in their slavish belief that he will do right by Hindoos in the end. And they will not allow any Hindoos to find fault with their golden calf. Again."Wat vader doet is altijd goed" (Klaas Vaak ref IIRC).
Honestly, can't Modi at least pretend to care?
I hope Modi-led BJP is not going to pretend to care one day in the future when it's all too late and everything is gone. The way modern "Hindu" "nationalists" have destroyed Hindoo heathenism by being part of the gangrene, then suddenly discover "temple kultur".
No, I've pre-judged Modi. Forgot to mention the following recent news item.
in.reuters.com/article/2015/04/10/india-gold-temples-idINKBN0N02BW20150410
It's not that Modi will not involve himself with Hindoo temples. While he can't be bothered rebuilding the Sri Rama temple at Ayodhya, or even the less controversial act of merely protecting the Hindoo wealth of Sri Padmanabha Kovil - and now also Lord Poornathrayeshanââ¬â¢s Temple - from christo-"secular" pillaging, and prevent the slated christo "secular" destruction of Sri Parthasarathy Kovil at Aranmula,
it is apparently not beneath Modi to expect Hindoo temples to do him a favour (which they don't owe him): asking them to donate their gold for his little "develop India" projects. Apparently HindOOs have to keep footing the bill for India's non-heathen "Hindu (read Indian) nationalists" and other secularisms.
The implications of this news is worse than I've let on.
This will set a precedent for subsequent (KKKangressi type openly anti-Hindu/anti-nationalist) govts to make it legislation that all Hindoo temples eventually surrender their gold and other assets for redirecting to "secular" govt pursuits.
And sometime later still - you may make sure - that the hereafter forever anti-Hindu govts will renege on any "deals" about giving interest for the commandeered gold and will ultimately declare that it is forfeit/belongs to the govt and the Hindoo temples will see none of it again.
BJP is famous for beginning short-sighted projects that are easily hijacked for anti-Hindoo and anti-national projects of hostile govts that follow. E.g. wasn't it the BJP that allowed foreign interests to set up and own Indian media? BJP didn't just shoot themselves in the foot with it, they shot Hindoos in the heart with it (thanks BJP!)
More recently, there's the promise of more such "good things", courtesy of BJP again:
From a comment at
vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=3524
Yay! More things to look forward to/to thank BJP for in future.
The man who said "toilets before temples" doesn't keep to that ordering when he needs a source of easy funds I mean investment.
Hindoos/HindOO temples should tell Modi that he may rebuild the Sri Rama temple at Ayodhya first and in return select Hindoo temples might *consider* his request to lend them their gold but only for the duration of the Modi-led govt and never thereafter. (And even that may end up being used in some sneaky way by KKKangress type govts hereafter, to lay claim on all HindOO temple wealth.)
I mean, some show of good faith and reciprocity (at last) is the least Hindoos should expect, right? Modi may show them that he means to do something for them at last, before he can dare to expect them to lend Hindoo gold to his unheathen secular projects/his promise to protect christian churches/his promise to avenge the christoislamic gangrape of the christian nun etc.
And as per the above reuters article, Modi is going to next do what the AmriKKKan/other christowestern govts have been wanting KKKangress to do since forever: get Hindoos to stupidly trade in their gold for paper. (The problems of this were discussed in the rajeev2004 blog a few years ago.)
As an aside:
Are BR types still into their well-known apologetics for christianism? And didn't IF members discuss how BharatRakshak had highly placed christians who - together with the usual "nationalist" useful idiots - carefully ensured (as was the plan of christianism infiltrating BR all along), that christianism was protected from any Hindu criticism at BR?
So is BR still puppeteered and peopled by christos and christo-conditioned (unheathens by and large, what a "coincidence"), or are the latter "nationalists" and "activists" suddenly pretending they saw through the christian game "all along" (you know, the way wannabe-intellectuals always pretend they recognised the problems before everyone else did)? <- They're NOT going to be "forgiven" for shutting up Hindoos who were trying to sound the alarm bells about christianism, right? NEVER forgive. (And obviously never forget either.)
They made their beds. Now they should die in it. Oh, was that a typo? Maybe I meant "lie in it"? I don't know. Did I?
Oh, I and nearly forgot. NS Rajarant will be giddy with joy: he always wanted Hindoos to stop doing temple stuff. And now the Hindoo temple elephants will be banned too. So with every passing day NSR must be happier still for getting his way (even as he pretends to care about "paganism" by penning pointless articles about "paganism"; oh so many hypocrites). Q: Will NSR be deported along with christianism/his christian relatives-by-marriage? Wait, what am I saying? We're dealing with modern Indian "Hindu" "nationalists" here: famous for drooling over every undeserving entity out there. They probably love NS Rajarant as some knowledgeable teacher-type and imagine he is a benefactor. Like they imagine the same of other dangerous entities.
Poor HindOOs. They're mired neck-deep with unheathens having encroached on the label "Hindu", and other gangrene.
If Sita-Ram Goel had been alive, I wonder if he'd have dumped NSR and held him up as an example of how English speaking should Not turn out. IIRC Ishwar Sharan said that Goel - to ascertain whether Sharan was genuine or not - asked Sharan's what he thought the Gods were and was specifically interested in how Sharan would answer. From memory, Sharan said he answered that the Gods were Divine Persons. I.e. implicit in Sharan's statement is that he thought the Gods are real, first and foremost. Sharan said Goel approved of the answer.
NSR and Elst would have totally failed that question. <- "Why is this important to note?"
Because it tells you how far NSR and Elst would be considered 'representative' of Goel and more importantly - whether (as per how SRG was back when he was alive, as one doesn't know what he'd be like if he were alive today/"would he have subverted too?" and become an Elstian etc) whether Goel would have distanced himself from both NSR and Elst.
It is a curious thing that both NSR and Elst revealed their tendencies only after SRG's passing, even as they use SRG as the foundation for their authority among Hindu readership. Having said that, they've now won fans over on their own right since, and I'm sure the same are just the very kind to prefer NSR and/or Elst over SRG. Good.
NSR and Elst totally hijacked Goel (and Swarup). No wonder "Hindu" vocalists are so witless. There's only worthless people trying to lead them in the 'intellectual' space - the malady goes far beyond NSR and Elst. When will "Hindu" nationalists acquire some taste? (Or is the Q: when will they be heathen and recognise issues closer to home/know where to draw the line?) Hindoos predicament is so bad that India can't even produce the likes of Swarup and Goel in the visible/vocal intellectual space any more. That's just ... pathetic.
The news was:
1. storify.com/trackevangelism/chuch-funded-ngo-intervening-temple
Found via
2. twitter.com/krishnakerala
3. Hindoo temple elephants will only be banned from Hindoo temples, of course.
Christian NGOs will not be going after the christian inculturation on the same.
Picture of christianism inculturating on temple elephants that's also doing the rounds:
twitter.com/AnjaliGorg/status/576053985691484160/photo/1
pbs.twimg.com/media/B_6OCq6WUAAH0ZR.jpg
* Apparently Kartikai Deepam at a major Subrahmanya (Murugar) temple banned
* Christo NGOs national and international - and useful idiots - worked hard, gradually, over the years, to get Jallikattu banned
And this next is a continuation from that other christian project started earlier, already documented in this thread, post 71 from 2010. <- 2010. Once more showing how christianism has - again, gradually - worked to lay the groundwork so that now it can at last get Temple elephants banned from Hindu temples, again in tandem with how churches in India have inculturated on temple elephants (c.f. how christians have tried to take over the bindi while trying to ban it among Hindus).
Exactly as happened with Jallikattu, international NGOs - known to be christian, see further below - are once more taking the matter to Indian (christo-infested) courts: all so as to ensure that Hindoos are proscribed from doing anything remotely Hindoo in Hindoo temples. In this case, to ban Hindoo temple elephants.
1. storify.com/trackevangelism/chuch-funded-ngo-intervening-temple
Quote:Chuch-funded NGO filed PIL asking for a ban on using temple elephants for religious functions, processions etc.,
by
Avatar for trackevangelism
trackevangelism 12 hours ago48 Views
Rest at link.
Found via
2. twitter.com/krishnakerala
Quote: Krishna Kerala retweeted
sighbaboo @sighbaboo ÷ 8h 8 hours ago
.Oct. 2014: UK Parliament Motion on Indian elephants in festivals etc. www.parliament.uk/edm/2014-15/436 Was it passed? CC: @aryalegal ? Thanks
3. twitter.com/NR_Tatvamasi/status/586866854745903104
Quote:NR Niranjan
ââ¬Â@NR_Tatvamasi
thehindu.com/news/national/supreme-court-to-rule-on-plea-seeking-ban-on-use-of-elephants-in-religious-functions-processions-events/article7092841.ece ââ¬Â¦ i had kept warning that IOI guys are coming for our temple elephants.
5:22 AM - 11 Apr 2015
Sisha ââ¬Â@wavehit Apr 11
@NR_Tatvamasi first the bulls ; now the elephants;soon it will be go-shalas and the processions themselves.
2 retweets 2 favorites
4. Meanwhile, twitterati pointed out that temple elephants hijacked for christianism are still alive and well. Christian NGOs will not ban this: it is only illegal for Hindoos to do Hindoo things for Hindoo purposes. But christians inculturating the same and rewriting it as christianism for christian purposes is entirely legal:
twitter.com/AnjaliGorg/status/576053985691484160/photo/1
pbs.twimg.com/media/B_6OCq6WUAAH0ZR.jpg
Christians MUST be kicked out of India. Sooner not later.
(If "Hindus" want to survive, like Hindu nationalists vocalists pretend they do.)
As seen in point 2 above, the UK - via its parliament, no less - is once more heavily active in trying to ban Hindoo things in Hindoo temples all the way in India. But I didn't know India was still British Raj? Who knew? And I guess BJP wants to be Congress B Team/an extension of alien control over India by doing Nothing about it, yet again.
And where was christobrit concern about elephants when the "great white christian" british-raj hunter hunted down Hindoo wildlife? How to recognise a christodemon: hypocrisy. Oh wait, hypocrites include christoconditioned too (Dawkins, et al).
Important things to bear in mind about the christian attempt to proscribe temple elephants in Hindoo temples. Repeat:
a. This is part of Project Thessalonika*: the christian project to prevent India's HindOOs from doing HindOO things
(* Original link was: christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1130133787 <- The site's source links are broken. Making it yet another site which was exposing christianism that has been carefully murdered by christianism. I've lost count of the sites that have been brought down: the groundbreaking Christian Heritage site - which first introduced Stannard's American Holocaust and Norman Lewis' Missionaries etc, not to mention the famous "christian crimeline" timeline, the 3 copies of What They Don't Tell You About Christianism site (I knew of 3, there may have been more), the Australian satanism site which exposed christian hypocrisies by documenting news reports of clerical child abuse. That last site already mentioned that christians were trying to take it down. And many other sites. All of worth that remains is jesusneverexisted.com and equally excellent western atheist sites.)
b. And this follows the pattern of the Codes of Theodosius & Justinian: the proscription (also gradual, to cook the unwitting frog) of all things heathen in the once-heathen Roman empire.
Both a and b are based on biblical commandment number 1: "thou shalt have no other gods before me", hence any expression of heathenism by heathens in heathen spaces must be thwarted by the demon christians, else they (and their non-existent gawd) feel "persecuted"/can't sleep.
This is happening under Modi's watch by the way. He'll probably do as much as he did for Jallikattu: aka nothing.
And his/BJP sycophants will continue in their slavish belief that he will do right by Hindoos in the end. And they will not allow any Hindoos to find fault with their golden calf. Again."Wat vader doet is altijd goed" (Klaas Vaak ref IIRC).
Honestly, can't Modi at least pretend to care?
I hope Modi-led BJP is not going to pretend to care one day in the future when it's all too late and everything is gone. The way modern "Hindu" "nationalists" have destroyed Hindoo heathenism by being part of the gangrene, then suddenly discover "temple kultur".
No, I've pre-judged Modi. Forgot to mention the following recent news item.
in.reuters.com/article/2015/04/10/india-gold-temples-idINKBN0N02BW20150410
Quote:Business | Fri Apr 10, 2015 6:05pm IST
Related: Top News, Business
India's rich temples may open gold vaults for Modi
It's not that Modi will not involve himself with Hindoo temples. While he can't be bothered rebuilding the Sri Rama temple at Ayodhya, or even the less controversial act of merely protecting the Hindoo wealth of Sri Padmanabha Kovil - and now also Lord Poornathrayeshanââ¬â¢s Temple - from christo-"secular" pillaging, and prevent the slated christo "secular" destruction of Sri Parthasarathy Kovil at Aranmula,
it is apparently not beneath Modi to expect Hindoo temples to do him a favour (which they don't owe him): asking them to donate their gold for his little "develop India" projects. Apparently HindOOs have to keep footing the bill for India's non-heathen "Hindu (read Indian) nationalists" and other secularisms.
The implications of this news is worse than I've let on.
This will set a precedent for subsequent (KKKangressi type openly anti-Hindu/anti-nationalist) govts to make it legislation that all Hindoo temples eventually surrender their gold and other assets for redirecting to "secular" govt pursuits.
And sometime later still - you may make sure - that the hereafter forever anti-Hindu govts will renege on any "deals" about giving interest for the commandeered gold and will ultimately declare that it is forfeit/belongs to the govt and the Hindoo temples will see none of it again.
BJP is famous for beginning short-sighted projects that are easily hijacked for anti-Hindoo and anti-national projects of hostile govts that follow. E.g. wasn't it the BJP that allowed foreign interests to set up and own Indian media? BJP didn't just shoot themselves in the foot with it, they shot Hindoos in the heart with it (thanks BJP!)
More recently, there's the promise of more such "good things", courtesy of BJP again:
From a comment at
vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=3524
Quote: Re the last sentence - Indian readers and television viewers are educated by and conditioned through a macaulayan education system. Unless that changes, readers and viewers won't.
As an aside, GOI through its GIAN initiative intends to import a 1000 US academics US to educate "readers and viewers" - articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2015-01-18/news/58200733_1_hrd-minister-smriti-irani-president-barack-obama-manjul-bhargava .
Think about it - this is a neo-macaulayan invasion.we're ourselves purchasing.
Bharati
March 17, 2015
Yay! More things to look forward to/to thank BJP for in future.
The man who said "toilets before temples" doesn't keep to that ordering when he needs a source of easy funds I mean investment.
Hindoos/HindOO temples should tell Modi that he may rebuild the Sri Rama temple at Ayodhya first and in return select Hindoo temples might *consider* his request to lend them their gold but only for the duration of the Modi-led govt and never thereafter. (And even that may end up being used in some sneaky way by KKKangress type govts hereafter, to lay claim on all HindOO temple wealth.)
I mean, some show of good faith and reciprocity (at last) is the least Hindoos should expect, right? Modi may show them that he means to do something for them at last, before he can dare to expect them to lend Hindoo gold to his unheathen secular projects/his promise to protect christian churches/his promise to avenge the christoislamic gangrape of the christian nun etc.
And as per the above reuters article, Modi is going to next do what the AmriKKKan/other christowestern govts have been wanting KKKangress to do since forever: get Hindoos to stupidly trade in their gold for paper. (The problems of this were discussed in the rajeev2004 blog a few years ago.)
As an aside:
Are BR types still into their well-known apologetics for christianism? And didn't IF members discuss how BharatRakshak had highly placed christians who - together with the usual "nationalist" useful idiots - carefully ensured (as was the plan of christianism infiltrating BR all along), that christianism was protected from any Hindu criticism at BR?
So is BR still puppeteered and peopled by christos and christo-conditioned (unheathens by and large, what a "coincidence"), or are the latter "nationalists" and "activists" suddenly pretending they saw through the christian game "all along" (you know, the way wannabe-intellectuals always pretend they recognised the problems before everyone else did)? <- They're NOT going to be "forgiven" for shutting up Hindoos who were trying to sound the alarm bells about christianism, right? NEVER forgive. (And obviously never forget either.)
They made their beds. Now they should die in it. Oh, was that a typo? Maybe I meant "lie in it"? I don't know. Did I?
Oh, I and nearly forgot. NS Rajarant will be giddy with joy: he always wanted Hindoos to stop doing temple stuff. And now the Hindoo temple elephants will be banned too. So with every passing day NSR must be happier still for getting his way (even as he pretends to care about "paganism" by penning pointless articles about "paganism"; oh so many hypocrites). Q: Will NSR be deported along with christianism/his christian relatives-by-marriage? Wait, what am I saying? We're dealing with modern Indian "Hindu" "nationalists" here: famous for drooling over every undeserving entity out there. They probably love NS Rajarant as some knowledgeable teacher-type and imagine he is a benefactor. Like they imagine the same of other dangerous entities.
Poor HindOOs. They're mired neck-deep with unheathens having encroached on the label "Hindu", and other gangrene.
If Sita-Ram Goel had been alive, I wonder if he'd have dumped NSR and held him up as an example of how English speaking should Not turn out. IIRC Ishwar Sharan said that Goel - to ascertain whether Sharan was genuine or not - asked Sharan's what he thought the Gods were and was specifically interested in how Sharan would answer. From memory, Sharan said he answered that the Gods were Divine Persons. I.e. implicit in Sharan's statement is that he thought the Gods are real, first and foremost. Sharan said Goel approved of the answer.
NSR and Elst would have totally failed that question. <- "Why is this important to note?"
Because it tells you how far NSR and Elst would be considered 'representative' of Goel and more importantly - whether (as per how SRG was back when he was alive, as one doesn't know what he'd be like if he were alive today/"would he have subverted too?" and become an Elstian etc) whether Goel would have distanced himself from both NSR and Elst.
It is a curious thing that both NSR and Elst revealed their tendencies only after SRG's passing, even as they use SRG as the foundation for their authority among Hindu readership. Having said that, they've now won fans over on their own right since, and I'm sure the same are just the very kind to prefer NSR and/or Elst over SRG. Good.
NSR and Elst totally hijacked Goel (and Swarup). No wonder "Hindu" vocalists are so witless. There's only worthless people trying to lead them in the 'intellectual' space - the malady goes far beyond NSR and Elst. When will "Hindu" nationalists acquire some taste? (Or is the Q: when will they be heathen and recognise issues closer to home/know where to draw the line?) Hindoos predicament is so bad that India can't even produce the likes of Swarup and Goel in the visible/vocal intellectual space any more. That's just ... pathetic.
The news was:
1. storify.com/trackevangelism/chuch-funded-ngo-intervening-temple
Quote:Chuch-funded NGO filed PIL asking for a ban on using temple elephants for religious functions, processions etc.,Rest at link.
by
Avatar for trackevangelism
trackevangelism 12 hours ago48 Views
Found via
2. twitter.com/krishnakerala
Quote: Krishna Kerala retweeted
sighbaboo @sighbaboo ÷ 8h 8 hours ago
.Oct. 2014: UK Parliament Motion on Indian elephants in festivals etc. www.parliament.uk/edm/2014-15/436 Was it passed? CC: @aryalegal ? Thanks
3. Hindoo temple elephants will only be banned from Hindoo temples, of course.
Christian NGOs will not be going after the christian inculturation on the same.
Picture of christianism inculturating on temple elephants that's also doing the rounds:
twitter.com/AnjaliGorg/status/576053985691484160/photo/1
pbs.twimg.com/media/B_6OCq6WUAAH0ZR.jpg
Death to traitors.