Post 1/2
Related to posts 426, 428-431 (433) above
Recollecting stuff seen some days back on wackypedia (am interested in trends of Wackypedia's use as a medium for rewriting history especially heathenism and backprojecting fictions). The links in this post are what's relevant, the rest is just comments.
Had found this page:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuism
Note Wu as in powerful heathen of ancient Chinese religion (called Taoism today).
Posts 426 or 428-431 discussed that oryanist Victor Mair wanted to steal Wu-ism from Chinese religion and gift it to his own Euro-ancestors. He and those of the same school are famous for declaring that Taoism (native Chinese religion's name in the present day) is not Wuism - not a natural progression to the present day - but that Wuism was a Euro-derived oryan religion, and that Taoism merely stole stuff from it in miscegenated fashion.
*Exactly the same way oryanists claim that the Hindu religion of the present-day is not a natural progression (directly/naturally derived) or rather continuation from the ancient form of Vedic religion, but that Hindus' religion is a miscegenated late copy by miscegenated Indians of the original pure Oryan/Euro "Vedism/Vedik religion".
Now, to get back to the link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuism
1. I suspected that the page could not have been created by traditional Chinese, because they do not recognise Wuism as a separate religion, but regard it as their ancestral religion that continues to this day. (The powerful Wu heathen characters of many old Chinese movies set in ancient times may be familiar to people.)
2. The suspicions grew when there is indeed a reference to Mair donating the Wu word - its origins - to oryanism, and thereby donating the Wu religion and all that derives from it to oryanism. (The way that Sanskrit got donated to aliens and hence the Vedas and all Vedic religion and the civilisation derived from it get donated to oryanism as its oryanism's genius.)
3. Naturally, I figured that it was an oryanist that must be behind the page, since most Chinese are utterly unfamiliar with Mair and the few that may be would not be visiting wackypedia for information let alone to propagate oryan fictions.
4. I further figured that the page came to exist for one purpose alone: for advancing the oryan claims to Chinese civilisations' origins and for *popularising* these. Since wackypedia is the means by which all kinds of nonsense/filth gets popularised, particularly oryanisms - sandwiched as the nonsense is among simple facts like maths and other sciences.
5. So I clicked on the wacky page's History:
en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wuism&action=history
- The page was created some time in March or so this year, 2014. (The date is interesting.)
- The page was created and its contents heavily populated by one "Aethelwolf_Emsworth" - of old-English appellation (who has a name like Aethelwolf these days? Aethelred the Unready was like from the era of Viking invasions into Brittany. Aethelwolf Emsworth is obviously a pseudonym of someone trying to channel a bygone anglo-saxon age; maybe as their hopeful link to oryanism?)
- Specifically, the reference to Mair - and the entire section discussing the religious word "Wu" and culminating in donating it to IE (currently via speculations/references to Mair, embedded among other speculations) - was similarly the handiwork of Aethelwolf.
6. So I clicked on Aethelred I mean Aethelwolf's name - it does get more interesting/predictable:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aethelwolf_Emsworth
The page that opens is this user's recent editing history: indicating the sorts of pages he's interested in.
Guessing that the falsely named non-Adel and non-Wolf was of oryanist tendencies, I looked for references to IE/Indo-European in his edit history page:
And indeed, I found links to:
a. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_the_Seven_Rishis
Which links to a page demonstrating the nouveau hobby among Russians - of the wannabe-Hindu/Vedic dabbling tendency: apparently some new-age Russians pretending to have something to do with Hindu religion have built an alien building to Hindus' Seven Rishis/the stars of the big dipper from the Hindu perspective.
The wacky page on the "temple of the seven oryanised rishis" - it's such a short page, UnAethel UnWolf may have created himself - linked to other wiki pages for "further" info, among which was inevitably a link called :drumroll:
VEDISM (of course):
this link led directly to a wacky page that then renames itself to "Historical Vedic Religion" and is all about how the "Historical Vedic Religion" is NOT the same as Hinduism and that Hinduism is a "separate religion" that was to have displaced the Vedic Gods for the Pauranic Gods*. <- I.e. the same arguments that were made by E Europeans (IIRC Ukrainian/Russian vocalist) on beliefnet who had formerly dabbled in Hindu religion (on Hinduism.net) before they decided to launch their own religion called Vedik religion/Vedism/whatever and who similarly referred to Hindu religion as "not the same as Vedic religion, but distinct from it".
Of course, the very wacky page that insists that the "Historic Vedic Religion" is distinct from Hinduism can't help but feature a picture of Tamil Veda-Brahmanas of the present day doing Vedic rituals. Which just undermines wacky's contention.
* Vedicists - i.e. alien dabblers - tend to refer to the religion of the Upanishad portions of the Vedas as separate from the Vedas, and of course the religion of the Puranas are also seen as distinct etc etc. They needed to invent all these non-arguments in order to claim that Hindus had "abandoned" the Vedic religion/Gods and that therefore this allegedly-"abandoned" religion was anyone's for the taking, in particular for the alien oryanist dabblers to hijack (since they long wanted to pretend that it was *their* ancestral religion and not that of the allegedly "miscegenated" Hindus). See the indology thread for more of their thought patterns.
NOTE: all alien dabblers in others' religions - foremost among them are the converts - are *replacement*. They are not peddling replacement theology. They're the opposite: they want to replace the adherents of a native heathenism of other ethnicities with their own dabbling alien selves: i.e. they want to become the new, genuine, original, true adherents of others' ancestral heathenism. Stupid Indians keep inviting these terrorists. Especially E-Europeans are a major pain and famously follow the pattern of poaching on the Vedas and then either leave and join the recently-invented "Vedism" (an oryanism by and for aliens/oryanists) OR else they proceed from their vampirism on the Vedas onto prying open other private practices of Hindus and thereby infecting other areas of Hindu religion. To repeat: a Russian site featured a picture on the main page of a Russian woman doing a "homa" - as only new ageist, unheathen aliens would do - to becoming a site filled with their own audio mangling the Upanishads (elsewhere rejected by Vedicists) to renaming the domain to one with the word Shaivam in it in order to dabble in Tantra practices next (having vampire sucked their way through the Vedas and then its upanishad portions). And that's when I last stopped checking the site. No doubt it has moved on to dabbling in Shaktam. And if Russians are like Americans, these entities will next move on to vampiring on Taoism.
Indians are totally clueless about European dabbling tendencies. E.g. some time back noticed that the Hindu site savetemples.org featured a very old Russian woman who had been inducted into ISKCONism - probably not long ago since ISKCONism is a recent cult. She didn't speak a word of any Indian language but had transported herself to India to encroach upon a cave to Narasimham in AP or TN or somewhere. The article said that she claimed to have had some dream or something where the ISKCONist Christna had asked her to go encroach on I mean move into an IIRC Shri Vaishnava Narasimham cave. (Madhva's dvaitam has little enough to do with ISKCONism as per Madhvas themselves, who claim ISKCON is missionising on their Hindu community, so how in the world would Shri Vaishnavam have anything to do with ISKCON? Why does no one ask this question?) The Savetemples.org article mentioned how the gathered gullible TN/AP Hindus were in awe of this woman's turn for new-ageism I mean ISKCONism I mean alleged "Hinduism" and that they simply went ahead and assumed that the Hindu God Vishnu had actually invited her. Why Vishnu would invite an alien who had recently discovered Hindu religion* and decided to dabble in it, instead of approaching the many millions of life-long devout ethnic Hindoos is another question no one asked themselves.
* which she discovered via ISKCON to boot, where not even their acharya had ever seen Krishna (as per his books of his that I read).
Little do Hindus know that it is a hobby in Russian orthodox christianism for faithfuls to dream that jeebus invited them to go live at an orthodox hermitage/monastery (or go encroach on a pagan site for christ). <= The same self-delusional tendencies got transferred upon conversion to ISKCONism: Europeans tend to be zealous when they convert to any religion - including when they imagine that every religion out there is universal instead of ethnic - so they tend to be prone to imagining others' Gods calling them. (Tomorrow, I predict - I'd lay odds on it - that aliens will start claiming that Taoist Gods called them to do thus and so.)
Some hundred years from now, gullible Hindus would have started worshipping this woman and writing christianising fictions - sorry miracle fictions about how she is miraculous and saintly etc. I wonder if she's presently writing fictions christianising Vishnu at the Narasimha caves: the local Hindus won't figure it out soon, because they're unlikely to understand her Russian.
The Russian woman's story about Vishnu impelling her to encroach on the cave is so utterly different (and sounding very much like transplanted but typically-christian "experiences"/delusions), from actual Hindoo accounts of Hindu Gods communing with Hindoos and prompting them to [do certain things].
b. But back to UnAethel UnWolf, the guy who liked to create wackypedia pages promoting oryanism=Indo-Europeanism. The second link in his editing history that was related to Indo-Europeanism was (again, predictably):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ynglism
Which is on some neo-pagan aka new-age dabbling group that has invented a religion (Ynglism) basing itself around something called the "Slavic Vedas" (since they don't actually have the Vedas and never did, they had to invent something of similar name and no doubt other plagiarism. Don't try to understand it, it's a mleccha-ism). There's some mention of the Big Dipper on his page too. And apparently this Ynglism is all the rage in Russia (new-ageism/neo-paganism and inventing pseudo-paganisms like wiccanism is a great fetish for christo-conditioned Euros in the European sphere these days). Hopefully they'll get bored soon and deconvert to humanism - though it's far more likely that they'll re-convert to christianism. The one thing these people seem unable to do is return to their own ancestral heathenism, i.e. they're unable to be heathens.
From a cursory glance over the page, the Ynglists seem to be oryanists definitely, but possibly neo-nazis too, as I noticed some mention of "extremism" on the page. I stopped reading. The "Slavic Vedas" nonsense was enough for me. Didn't want to read and find out that - like the beliefnet dabbling aliens calling themselves "Vedicists" - they've started to dub themselves "brahmanas" next in their pretence that aliens I mean Euros I mean oryans are Brahmanas (or vice-versa).
Anyway, the point was that the "Ynglism" page seems to be entirely the handiwork of our unFriend - unAethel unWolf:
en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ynglism&offset=&limit=500&action=history
which seems to prove my initial suspicion that Oryanism (in the form of the usual desperate oryanist mind) was the driving force behind the wackypedia Wuism page.
One further note:
IIRC the Ynglism page too once again linked to wackypedia's "Vedism" page, for more "related"* information on the topic. Of course it would, what with (obvious oryanist) Unaethel Unwolf at the helm.
* Note how suddenly the just-invented "Ynglism" religion has magically become more related to 'Vedism' (or "Historical Vedic Religion" as the wacky page on 'Vedism' called itself) than Hinduism is related to Vedic religion, which the same "Vedism" wacky page insisted was not actually the same as Vedic religion.
It's an oryan miracle.
Recently I read the intro to an article by Elst at indiafacts, where Elst argued that Hindus should look to form closer relationships with Europe's "neo-pagans". Uh, no. Neo-pagans are pseudo-pagans, and anti-heathens. (Also "paganism" as a universalised term for heathenisms makes as much sense as calling Hellenes "Hindus" and native Americans "Hindus". "Pagan" in the religious sense means ethnically-Roman Hellene. Not just anybody.)
Neopaganisms invent religion (some of which are oryanism-based: i.e. unknown to any historical European heathens). Wicca-ism and many other neo-pagan movements moreover poach on many heathen Gods and turn it all into a travesty. They can be quite disgusting to the heathens from whom they have poached, besides being utterly new age.
YSEE.gr - the Hellenismos site - was very correct in observing that neo-paganism is sinister and anti-heathen. (And IIRC, the YSEE.gr site didn't mention oryanism/Indo-Europeanism. <- Made them even more trustworthy than their eternally-brilliant FAQ indicated.)
There are genuine European heathens to befriend. (Including in de Koningrijk der Nederlanden :waves the rood-wit-blauw for NL heathens
But the actual heathens in Europe are nowhere near as many as the numerous insane "neo-paganisms" mushrooming among all the crazy Americans and Europeans.
I will admit that the attempts to return to heathenism by the British - whom Elst named with distinction in IIRC the title or the intro - are less new-agey than that of other (non-Hellenistic) Europeans/European-origin groups. I specifically do NOT mean any British persons dabbling in anything Hindu (which is just dabbling=unheathen by definition. Heathenism is adherence to ancestral religion=Gods, at a minimum). Am referring to the highly organised - and intellectually-organised - British groups of heathen tendencies. Usually these are inspired by Hellenismos (incl. Roman variant) in general, or Philosophy - i.e. Hellenistic Philosophy exclusively - in particular. Despite myself, and my growing biases, I admire the particular British persons and groups I am thinking of, both for their sanity and their growing numbers: they're not stupid. And I will swear the ones I noticed sounded heathen to me in all their arguments. And not a mention of oryanism, which is perhaps the first sign to look for in any European-origin groups (that and the lack of dabbling in Hindus' religion).
Related to posts 426, 428-431 (433) above
Recollecting stuff seen some days back on wackypedia (am interested in trends of Wackypedia's use as a medium for rewriting history especially heathenism and backprojecting fictions). The links in this post are what's relevant, the rest is just comments.
Had found this page:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuism
Note Wu as in powerful heathen of ancient Chinese religion (called Taoism today).
Posts 426 or 428-431 discussed that oryanist Victor Mair wanted to steal Wu-ism from Chinese religion and gift it to his own Euro-ancestors. He and those of the same school are famous for declaring that Taoism (native Chinese religion's name in the present day) is not Wuism - not a natural progression to the present day - but that Wuism was a Euro-derived oryan religion, and that Taoism merely stole stuff from it in miscegenated fashion.
*Exactly the same way oryanists claim that the Hindu religion of the present-day is not a natural progression (directly/naturally derived) or rather continuation from the ancient form of Vedic religion, but that Hindus' religion is a miscegenated late copy by miscegenated Indians of the original pure Oryan/Euro "Vedism/Vedik religion".
Now, to get back to the link:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuism
1. I suspected that the page could not have been created by traditional Chinese, because they do not recognise Wuism as a separate religion, but regard it as their ancestral religion that continues to this day. (The powerful Wu heathen characters of many old Chinese movies set in ancient times may be familiar to people.)
2. The suspicions grew when there is indeed a reference to Mair donating the Wu word - its origins - to oryanism, and thereby donating the Wu religion and all that derives from it to oryanism. (The way that Sanskrit got donated to aliens and hence the Vedas and all Vedic religion and the civilisation derived from it get donated to oryanism as its oryanism's genius.)
3. Naturally, I figured that it was an oryanist that must be behind the page, since most Chinese are utterly unfamiliar with Mair and the few that may be would not be visiting wackypedia for information let alone to propagate oryan fictions.
4. I further figured that the page came to exist for one purpose alone: for advancing the oryan claims to Chinese civilisations' origins and for *popularising* these. Since wackypedia is the means by which all kinds of nonsense/filth gets popularised, particularly oryanisms - sandwiched as the nonsense is among simple facts like maths and other sciences.
5. So I clicked on the wacky page's History:
en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wuism&action=history
- The page was created some time in March or so this year, 2014. (The date is interesting.)
- The page was created and its contents heavily populated by one "Aethelwolf_Emsworth" - of old-English appellation (who has a name like Aethelwolf these days? Aethelred the Unready was like from the era of Viking invasions into Brittany. Aethelwolf Emsworth is obviously a pseudonym of someone trying to channel a bygone anglo-saxon age; maybe as their hopeful link to oryanism?)
- Specifically, the reference to Mair - and the entire section discussing the religious word "Wu" and culminating in donating it to IE (currently via speculations/references to Mair, embedded among other speculations) - was similarly the handiwork of Aethelwolf.
6. So I clicked on Aethelred I mean Aethelwolf's name - it does get more interesting/predictable:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Aethelwolf_Emsworth
The page that opens is this user's recent editing history: indicating the sorts of pages he's interested in.
Guessing that the falsely named non-Adel and non-Wolf was of oryanist tendencies, I looked for references to IE/Indo-European in his edit history page:
And indeed, I found links to:
a. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_the_Seven_Rishis
Which links to a page demonstrating the nouveau hobby among Russians - of the wannabe-Hindu/Vedic dabbling tendency: apparently some new-age Russians pretending to have something to do with Hindu religion have built an alien building to Hindus' Seven Rishis/the stars of the big dipper from the Hindu perspective.
The wacky page on the "temple of the seven oryanised rishis" - it's such a short page, UnAethel UnWolf may have created himself - linked to other wiki pages for "further" info, among which was inevitably a link called :drumroll:
VEDISM (of course):
this link led directly to a wacky page that then renames itself to "Historical Vedic Religion" and is all about how the "Historical Vedic Religion" is NOT the same as Hinduism and that Hinduism is a "separate religion" that was to have displaced the Vedic Gods for the Pauranic Gods*. <- I.e. the same arguments that were made by E Europeans (IIRC Ukrainian/Russian vocalist) on beliefnet who had formerly dabbled in Hindu religion (on Hinduism.net) before they decided to launch their own religion called Vedik religion/Vedism/whatever and who similarly referred to Hindu religion as "not the same as Vedic religion, but distinct from it".
Of course, the very wacky page that insists that the "Historic Vedic Religion" is distinct from Hinduism can't help but feature a picture of Tamil Veda-Brahmanas of the present day doing Vedic rituals. Which just undermines wacky's contention.
* Vedicists - i.e. alien dabblers - tend to refer to the religion of the Upanishad portions of the Vedas as separate from the Vedas, and of course the religion of the Puranas are also seen as distinct etc etc. They needed to invent all these non-arguments in order to claim that Hindus had "abandoned" the Vedic religion/Gods and that therefore this allegedly-"abandoned" religion was anyone's for the taking, in particular for the alien oryanist dabblers to hijack (since they long wanted to pretend that it was *their* ancestral religion and not that of the allegedly "miscegenated" Hindus). See the indology thread for more of their thought patterns.
NOTE: all alien dabblers in others' religions - foremost among them are the converts - are *replacement*. They are not peddling replacement theology. They're the opposite: they want to replace the adherents of a native heathenism of other ethnicities with their own dabbling alien selves: i.e. they want to become the new, genuine, original, true adherents of others' ancestral heathenism. Stupid Indians keep inviting these terrorists. Especially E-Europeans are a major pain and famously follow the pattern of poaching on the Vedas and then either leave and join the recently-invented "Vedism" (an oryanism by and for aliens/oryanists) OR else they proceed from their vampirism on the Vedas onto prying open other private practices of Hindus and thereby infecting other areas of Hindu religion. To repeat: a Russian site featured a picture on the main page of a Russian woman doing a "homa" - as only new ageist, unheathen aliens would do - to becoming a site filled with their own audio mangling the Upanishads (elsewhere rejected by Vedicists) to renaming the domain to one with the word Shaivam in it in order to dabble in Tantra practices next (having vampire sucked their way through the Vedas and then its upanishad portions). And that's when I last stopped checking the site. No doubt it has moved on to dabbling in Shaktam. And if Russians are like Americans, these entities will next move on to vampiring on Taoism.
Indians are totally clueless about European dabbling tendencies. E.g. some time back noticed that the Hindu site savetemples.org featured a very old Russian woman who had been inducted into ISKCONism - probably not long ago since ISKCONism is a recent cult. She didn't speak a word of any Indian language but had transported herself to India to encroach upon a cave to Narasimham in AP or TN or somewhere. The article said that she claimed to have had some dream or something where the ISKCONist Christna had asked her to go encroach on I mean move into an IIRC Shri Vaishnava Narasimham cave. (Madhva's dvaitam has little enough to do with ISKCONism as per Madhvas themselves, who claim ISKCON is missionising on their Hindu community, so how in the world would Shri Vaishnavam have anything to do with ISKCON? Why does no one ask this question?) The Savetemples.org article mentioned how the gathered gullible TN/AP Hindus were in awe of this woman's turn for new-ageism I mean ISKCONism I mean alleged "Hinduism" and that they simply went ahead and assumed that the Hindu God Vishnu had actually invited her. Why Vishnu would invite an alien who had recently discovered Hindu religion* and decided to dabble in it, instead of approaching the many millions of life-long devout ethnic Hindoos is another question no one asked themselves.
* which she discovered via ISKCON to boot, where not even their acharya had ever seen Krishna (as per his books of his that I read).
Little do Hindus know that it is a hobby in Russian orthodox christianism for faithfuls to dream that jeebus invited them to go live at an orthodox hermitage/monastery (or go encroach on a pagan site for christ). <= The same self-delusional tendencies got transferred upon conversion to ISKCONism: Europeans tend to be zealous when they convert to any religion - including when they imagine that every religion out there is universal instead of ethnic - so they tend to be prone to imagining others' Gods calling them. (Tomorrow, I predict - I'd lay odds on it - that aliens will start claiming that Taoist Gods called them to do thus and so.)
Some hundred years from now, gullible Hindus would have started worshipping this woman and writing christianising fictions - sorry miracle fictions about how she is miraculous and saintly etc. I wonder if she's presently writing fictions christianising Vishnu at the Narasimha caves: the local Hindus won't figure it out soon, because they're unlikely to understand her Russian.
The Russian woman's story about Vishnu impelling her to encroach on the cave is so utterly different (and sounding very much like transplanted but typically-christian "experiences"/delusions), from actual Hindoo accounts of Hindu Gods communing with Hindoos and prompting them to [do certain things].
b. But back to UnAethel UnWolf, the guy who liked to create wackypedia pages promoting oryanism=Indo-Europeanism. The second link in his editing history that was related to Indo-Europeanism was (again, predictably):
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ynglism
Which is on some neo-pagan aka new-age dabbling group that has invented a religion (Ynglism) basing itself around something called the "Slavic Vedas" (since they don't actually have the Vedas and never did, they had to invent something of similar name and no doubt other plagiarism. Don't try to understand it, it's a mleccha-ism). There's some mention of the Big Dipper on his page too. And apparently this Ynglism is all the rage in Russia (new-ageism/neo-paganism and inventing pseudo-paganisms like wiccanism is a great fetish for christo-conditioned Euros in the European sphere these days). Hopefully they'll get bored soon and deconvert to humanism - though it's far more likely that they'll re-convert to christianism. The one thing these people seem unable to do is return to their own ancestral heathenism, i.e. they're unable to be heathens.
From a cursory glance over the page, the Ynglists seem to be oryanists definitely, but possibly neo-nazis too, as I noticed some mention of "extremism" on the page. I stopped reading. The "Slavic Vedas" nonsense was enough for me. Didn't want to read and find out that - like the beliefnet dabbling aliens calling themselves "Vedicists" - they've started to dub themselves "brahmanas" next in their pretence that aliens I mean Euros I mean oryans are Brahmanas (or vice-versa).
Anyway, the point was that the "Ynglism" page seems to be entirely the handiwork of our unFriend - unAethel unWolf:
en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ynglism&offset=&limit=500&action=history
which seems to prove my initial suspicion that Oryanism (in the form of the usual desperate oryanist mind) was the driving force behind the wackypedia Wuism page.
One further note:
IIRC the Ynglism page too once again linked to wackypedia's "Vedism" page, for more "related"* information on the topic. Of course it would, what with (obvious oryanist) Unaethel Unwolf at the helm.
* Note how suddenly the just-invented "Ynglism" religion has magically become more related to 'Vedism' (or "Historical Vedic Religion" as the wacky page on 'Vedism' called itself) than Hinduism is related to Vedic religion, which the same "Vedism" wacky page insisted was not actually the same as Vedic religion.
It's an oryan miracle.
Recently I read the intro to an article by Elst at indiafacts, where Elst argued that Hindus should look to form closer relationships with Europe's "neo-pagans". Uh, no. Neo-pagans are pseudo-pagans, and anti-heathens. (Also "paganism" as a universalised term for heathenisms makes as much sense as calling Hellenes "Hindus" and native Americans "Hindus". "Pagan" in the religious sense means ethnically-Roman Hellene. Not just anybody.)
Neopaganisms invent religion (some of which are oryanism-based: i.e. unknown to any historical European heathens). Wicca-ism and many other neo-pagan movements moreover poach on many heathen Gods and turn it all into a travesty. They can be quite disgusting to the heathens from whom they have poached, besides being utterly new age.
YSEE.gr - the Hellenismos site - was very correct in observing that neo-paganism is sinister and anti-heathen. (And IIRC, the YSEE.gr site didn't mention oryanism/Indo-Europeanism. <- Made them even more trustworthy than their eternally-brilliant FAQ indicated.)
There are genuine European heathens to befriend. (Including in de Koningrijk der Nederlanden :waves the rood-wit-blauw for NL heathens
But the actual heathens in Europe are nowhere near as many as the numerous insane "neo-paganisms" mushrooming among all the crazy Americans and Europeans.I will admit that the attempts to return to heathenism by the British - whom Elst named with distinction in IIRC the title or the intro - are less new-agey than that of other (non-Hellenistic) Europeans/European-origin groups. I specifically do NOT mean any British persons dabbling in anything Hindu (which is just dabbling=unheathen by definition. Heathenism is adherence to ancestral religion=Gods, at a minimum). Am referring to the highly organised - and intellectually-organised - British groups of heathen tendencies. Usually these are inspired by Hellenismos (incl. Roman variant) in general, or Philosophy - i.e. Hellenistic Philosophy exclusively - in particular. Despite myself, and my growing biases, I admire the particular British persons and groups I am thinking of, both for their sanity and their growing numbers: they're not stupid. And I will swear the ones I noticed sounded heathen to me in all their arguments. And not a mention of oryanism, which is perhaps the first sign to look for in any European-origin groups (that and the lack of dabbling in Hindus' religion).