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Public urination (and even defecation) happens on a large scale not just in poorer India, but also richer Hong Kong (sky-scraper buildings! and some HK people have better English than the British aristocracy <- it's true, e.g. listen to Maggie Cheung) and the rest of China. So snobbish Indians can stop pretending that India is the only country where this occurs and that it is exclusively behaviour seen in the "3rd world" or related to poverty. Oh, and clearly, it isn't Hindoo-ism, since China etc isn't Hindu.



Note that this is not news from a Hong Kong of the last century or last decade or last year even. But [color="#0000FF"]news from this and last month.[/color]



Indian snobs can stop pretending that it's "just India".





1. scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1498657/all-sorts-not-just-chinese-mainlanders-answer-call-nature

PUBLISHED : Monday, 28 April, 2014, 4:03am

UPDATED : Monday, 28 April, 2014, 2:19pm

Mainland Chinese aren't the only ones peeing on streets of Hong Kong



BIO

Alex Lo is a senior writer at the South China Morning Post. He writes editorials and the daily “My Take” column on page 2. He also edits the weekly science and technology page in Sunday Morning Post





All sorts, not just Chinese mainlanders, answer call of nature in public



If you only get your news stories from local social media, you may think Hong Kong is about to be flooded in mainland urine.



These sites are filled with accounts of mainland visitors' misbehaviour, the most provocative of which must be their supposedly carefree way of answering the call of nature in public. The latest spark to an escalating toilet war stemmed from a fight in Mong Kok between a mainland couple and several locals who filmed their child relieving himself. The clips went viral on the internet, being viewed more than a million times. Even the state-owned People's Daily weighed in.



A campaign has been launched on the mainland urging parents to let their children urinate on our streets. A Hong Kong counter-campaign asks people to film and document such misbehaviour. It would be comical if it was not so tragic.



[color="#FF0000"]Are mainlanders the only ones incapable of finding or using public toilets?



In Hong Kong, I have seen that type of behaviour from any number of visually identifiable groups - local Chinese, expatriates, foreign (non-mainland) visitors, taxi drivers, teenage schoolboys, fathers and sons, and yes, fellow journalists. I have seen it at the Sevens and in the Wan Chai bar district.[/color]



Just last year, I witnessed a young man unzipping himself on Leighton Road, near my office, during the evening rush hour and releasing a long stream in front of dozens of horrified and disgusted people. I was sure his first language was neither Cantonese nor Putonghua.



[color="#0000FF"]Such behaviour can get you arrested in Hong Kong and you would not just face a fixed penalty.[/color] If someone breaks the law, he or she should pay for it. The police should make an example of those guilty of such misbehaviour, regardless of their race, ethnicity or any other identifiable physical attributes.



Yes, there is a lot of anger and frustration over the way mainland tourists have flooded into Hong Kong, overwhelmed our facilities and distorted our economy. A strong case can be, and has been, made to control the number of visitors. That is a valid concern. But try not to demonise some people with behaviour that everyone else is guilty of at one time or another.

This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as All sorts answer call of nature in public

Although the furore is against mainland Chinese in HK feeling singled out for this by local HK people (HK was colonised by Britain for longer) and some clear resentment festering underneath, the purpose of my posting it is two-fold. The fact that it happens in another nation PLUS that western people are obviously into it (and not just kids)





2. scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1496617/bring-your-children-pee-hong-kong-mainlander-starts-campaign-after

Chinese tourists

China's Vice-Premier Wang Yang in May 2013 acknowledged that "uncivilised behaviour" by its citizens abroad was harming the country's image. He cited "talking loudly in public places, jaywalking, spitting and wilfully carving characters on items in scenic zones". Destination countries have been easing visa restrictions to attract more tourists from China, but reports have emerged of complaints about etiquette.







[color="#0000FF"]'Bring children to pee in Hong Kong': Mainlander starts campaign after public urination clash[/color]

Call for action may break mainland law; call of nature may cost HK$2,000



PUBLISHED : Friday, 25 April, 2014, 1:39pm

UPDATED : Saturday, 26 April, 2014, 7:45am

Stuart Lau stuart.lau@scmp.com





Img caption: The couple let their child relieve himself on a Mong Kok street.



[color="#0000FF"]Internet users calling on mainlanders to let their children relieve themselves in Hong Kong streets - in protest at this week's photographing of a toddler doing just that - have been warned they could end up in trouble, along with anyone who takes part in the protest.[/color]



Mainland law prohibits encouragement of such disruptions of public order even if it takes place elsewhere, a veteran lawyer with experience in both jurisdictions said yesterday.



The warning came as controversy continued to snowball over the incident in which a video of a mainland couple allowing their toddler to urinate and defecate on a busy Mong Kok street was posted online.



Solicitor Thomas So Shiu-tsung said Articles 290 and 291 of the mainland criminal code outlawed "assembling a crowd to disrupt social order" and "assembling a crowd to disrupt order of public places".



Article 7, meanwhile, allowed the state to punish citizens who commit such offences outside the mainland.



"It depends on the size of the activity," So said. "If there are only a couple of people turning up, it is unlikely that amounts to an offence."



Hong Kong's Public Cleansing and Prevention of Nuisances Regulation prohibits those in charge of a child under 12 from permitting the child, without reasonable excuse, "to obey the call of nature in any public street". Violators face a HK$2,000 fine.



Meanwhile, the controversy spread to Taiwan - possibly reflecting concerns there about an influx of mainlanders similar to those experienced in Hong Kong.



News about the suggestion of the "pee and poo" protest went viral on Taiwan media outlets.



Back across the strait, the top post on popular mainland forum Tianya.cn featured a mainlander who claimed to be working in Hong Kong.



"Are [the Hong Kong people] psycho?" one user, who went by the name Round Face Tomato Ghost Devil, quoted her Spanish friend as asking.



The comment was widely echoed by other mainlanders. "People should help people in need, not take photos and post them online," wrote one.



In the video, the mother was seen telling the crowd of onlookers: "The child was going to pee in his pants, what do you want me do?"



A scuffle then broke out and the parents tried to take the memory card from the camera of the young man filming the incident. State media had earlier criticised those who took the pictures as being as uncivilised as the toddler's parents.

[color="#800080"](The parents should sue the terrorist who took the video as this being an act of paedophilia. That will shut such people up.)[/color]





A commentary in the People's Daily overseas edition questioned whether the bystanders had acted properly, while saying there was a need for "mutual civilisation and understanding" between tourists and Hongkongers.



This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as Pee protest could land proponents in poop

3. scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1497816/let-reason-prevail-when-nature-calls





And some comments from all 3 links

- scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1498657/all-sorts-not-just-chinese-mainlanders-answer-call-nature

- scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1496617/bring-your-children-pee-hong-kong-mainlander-starts-campaign-after

- scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1497816/let-reason-prevail-when-nature-calls

****** May 5th 2014

8:58pm

Wow, as if it was fine to evacuate on streets. Despite it being common, civilised people are still not supposed to pee in the public. Before you accuse Hongkongers of being hypocrites, try to get your values right.

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[color="#800080"](See, some Indians sound just like some Chinese. But we're all civilised here: we've all been 'civilised' by the colonial hand. Speaking of which[/color]





Brit_in_China May 4th 2014

9:02am

Saw a Hong Kong couple allow their toddler to pee on the streets in Zhongshan just yesterday. Why? Simple. Kid suddenly needed to pee and caused a hissy fit when they tried to move her. I offered them the use of the cafe toilets, but when thy tried to move the kid she was already doing the business. Too late. They were very embarrassed; but no one really cared. You know, dogs, cats, and kids run only on their DNA. When they want to go, they want to go. Try stopping your dog marking every drain pipe and tree in the city. Good luck with that.

Kids drop 'em and pee. Get over it. Nought you can do most of the time. [color="#0000FF"](British with 3 kids.)[/color]

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[color="#800080"](Well, a Brit has declared it's all okay. Therefore it's civilised now. But only if you're in China. Not if it's India. Etc.)[/color]



ldAsia May 2nd 2014

11:13pm

These low people have never been out of Hong Kong. They have a teeny tiny narrow vision of the world. If they have the money to afford to travel, then they will find out it is not uncommon to see situation like that all over the world. They have nothing better to do than picking on a little kid. You know what, these hypo probably themselves had done the same thing that they would not dare to say.

[color="#0000FF"]These lackeys only dare to insult their own people. Once they encountered the white people, they would be hiding like a rat and would not dare to say a single word.[/color]

Go find yourself a life instead of “MUCH ADO ABOUT NOTHING”.

(Oh some sense of perspective. At last. Barely see that in Indians.)



****** May 3rd 2014

4:36am

These things don't happen very often, he is just a 3-year-old child and there are a lot of people waiting for the toilet, what do you expect? Curiously, a few years ago David Beckham with his kids do the same thing in Hong Kong, but at that time the Hong Kong people for their understanding. For now ,these people use mobile phones to take the process of the child to pee and sent to the Internet, they judgment the people who come from the mainland are immoral, their do this behavior is moral? Seriously, just because a 3-year-old child can not wait for the toilet to pee on the street, they say the people who come from the mainland are immoral, that makes me laugh. They forgot the most basic of human love and tolerance. If civilization without love, just morbid vanity.

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[color="#800080"](Nah nah nah man. It's Beckham. If he or his kids urinate in public in your country, they expect you to consider it an honour.)[/color]



****** Apr 29th 2014

5:32pm

Los Angeles Times, March 11, 2014, by Stacey Leasca: Peeing in the pool

"One in five Americans has admitted to peeing in a public swimming pool, according to a new survey.

That’s 20% of Americans urinating where others swim. Besides being disgusting, peeing in the pool may be seriously harmful to your health. In a new study, researchers from China Agricultural University and Purdue University looked at what happened when uric acid, a byproduct of urine, and chlorine combined. The group found dangerous chemical reactions were a result of this unholy union.

The combo kicks up cyanogen chloride, a gas that can harm the central nervous system, heart and lungs if inhaled. Uric acid is linked to 24% to 68% of this byproduct in pool water, the scientists said."

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****** Apr 29th 2014

5:10pm

Then what about barring drunk Westerners fresh out of bars and night clubs from yelling, cursing, urinating, vomiting, and damaging public property?

Bananas?

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paulch12 Apr 28th 2014

4:35pm

I think the incident is blown out of proportion because of racism of a few. It happens in LAN Kwai Fong during weekends, I don't hear any complaints. We, Hongkong people, travelled abroad, sometimes are loud and uncivil, I don't hear our own uproar at their behavior.

At the moment, the whole world is seeking tourist dollars from mainlanders, Hong Kong is the only place that complains. Time to stop racism, and start looking at our own inhospitable behavior. We need to resolve these situations by providing better education and facilities for tourists of all races.

PC



****** Apr 30th 2014

12:51am

True, I have seen white people and foreigners doing the same shameful acts at times, but they aren't the ones who go right onto Weibo and then launch into some grand speech about how because they got told off for something which is potentially against the law not just in HK, but around 99% of the world, that people are "discriminating" against them.

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****** Apr 30th 2014

12:47am

Happens all the time everywhere in the world, yet I don't see them going onto Facebook, or Weibo, or the general internet, and then going on into this grand rousing speech about how because I am of a certain background, that because this happened they are apparently discriminating against me.

Cry me a river, seriously.

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ldAsia Apr 30th 2014

2:44am

It is amazingly low that a little boy peed in public can create such a big fuzz. These people probably got nothing better to do, then picking on a little kid. They are really fuzz about nothing. Go visit the world and see more - [color="#0000FF"]go visit the bars in Paris (the area near the bar entrance is stink with human pees), go visit downtown New York (Browery bumps used to be stinky with pees, even though it has been cleaned up a lot), go visit Key west in Florida (the drunk pees on the street, even though it is not broad day light), go visit London and Munich (adults pee on the street is often).[/color] It is a nature call after you have a few bottle of beer.

Keep your mind open and do REAL thing, instead of picking on a little kid.



(The blue bit is actually so true. But remember: it's civilised if western people do it. And moreover, it becomes manly if beer-swilling western men do it. No?)





johnyuan Apr 27th 2014

5:22pm

Pairs being a tourist city, it solved 'the need to go' most amicably with public toilets installed at easy to spot sidewalks. It is both civilize and practical. The Tourist Board in Hong Kong has been delinquent while pushing for ever more tourism but without consideration for both visitors and locals. Easy locatable public toilets are part of infrastructure for a sustainable tourism industry which current situation has atrociously overlooked.

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Public should learn more about these self-flushing and cleaning design for sidewalk toilets before raising objection.

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I wish there is less arguments but more practical solution in the work. Afterall, 'need to go' is a need. Just make sure it is accomodated civicly without delay when children are considered.

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BTW, My brother and I often used the men's room at Mandarin Hotel in the 60s. We were kids playing at its shopping lobby. Yes, the locals know around.

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Apparently there are pages and pages of more comments - many hundreds of comments at the links.





Oh and "civilised" Indian snobs must be reminded that there is more to get all worked up and offended over: in many restaurants and cafes in some western countries (e.g. Australia IIRC), public breastfeeding is banned. It is being considered increasingly uncivilised and "disgusting" to publicly breastfeed a baby: if mums can't find a place to privately suckle the infant, mums are preferred to let the baby cry on (or starve it to death, presumably) rather than subjecting the shocked and annoyed unreasonable adult public to the mostly-obscured vision of human cubs being suckled. It's all fine and well for human adults to eat at restaurants/cafes when hungry and put their forks in their mouths and chew and guzzle in public, and talk while they're eating and spew at each other, but if a baby thinks it's feeding time and wants to harmlessly suckle, well too bad Baby, that's just eeeeewww offensive.



Publicly suckling desperate babies is growingly regarded as SO uncivilised and disgusting, in fact, that I can't wait for NRI and other angelsk-speaking superior Indian types to start parroting this new trend as the latest in civilised behaviour in India as well. Let's not be all hypocritical and allow breastfeeding in public while booing at other ultimately-inoffensive stuff after all, since some 1st worlders at least think it's all an uncivilised horror.



Note, if you're another species of mammal, you are free to suckle your cubs: the ueber-civilised humans will not just remain un-offended but will in fact be happy to watch documentaries showing such mammal behaviour and go all Oooooh and Aaaawwww over it. Other animals relieving themselves in public is not considered offensive either, with easily-offended humans moreover finding they can rather easily turn away at such times and not be bothered into a deep and great "shame" over it. But if you're a human animal, by gawd and deus vult, harmless everyday behaviours become a great offence to others' sensibilities.





The news was:



scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1498657/all-sorts-not-just-chinese-mainlanders-answer-call-nature

PUBLISHED : Monday, 28 April, 2014, 4:03am

UPDATED : Monday, 28 April, 2014, 2:19pm

Mainland Chinese aren't the only ones peeing on streets of Hong Kong

Alex Lo



[color="#800080"](Little kid had to defecate and urinate in public in HK and this being the latest such incident caused a major uproar btw HK locals and mainland Chinese in HK.

Turns out it's not just mainland Chinese kids that are doing this in public in HK[/color]



[...]



[color="#0000FF"]In Hong Kong, I have seen that type of behaviour from any number of visually identifiable groups - local Chinese, expatriates, foreign (non-mainland) visitors, taxi drivers, teenage schoolboys, fathers and sons, and yes, fellow journalists. I have seen it at the Sevens and in the Wan Chai bar district.[/color]



[...]

So it's not just in India.



And:

therecord.com/living-story/4428534-we-pee-in-the-pool-and-it-s-hurting-our-health/

thespec.com/living-story/4413078-study-proves-peeing-in-the-pool-can-seriously-[color="#0000FF"]harm-your-health[/color]/

One in five Americans has admitted to peeing in a public swimming pool, according to a new survey.

Eeeww. Sick.

And 1 in 5!

NRIs living in the US should think deeply about that one: that's one in five of all such 1st world people that they've ever met. And that's just the number of people who confessed/admitted to it. The real figure may well be higher. Now that is seriously disgusting.

When's the UN going to step in with toilet adverts and health warnings about this large-scale crisis in the US? I mean, America has over 250 million people. So some 50 million are messing up public swimming pools and threatening the health of others.