01-04-2011, 06:08 PM
[quote name='Narindar Sabharwal' date='04 January 2011 - 08:07 AM' timestamp='1294108174' post='110108']
Like numerous other societal problems of India
its marriage institution also suffers on account of unenforceable or unenforced laws. India is well known among all democracies to have the most farword looking laws but they all suffer from the same affliction: inability of the government to make laws which are enforceable.
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Thank Vishnu. If the Govt of India could enforce its laws, India would at once become a totalitarian tyranny. The non-enforceability of its laws is actually a blessing.
[quote name='Narindar Sabharwal' date='04 January 2011 - 08:07 AM' timestamp='1294108174' post='110108']
... a new marital system ought to be developed which not only helps people but ends all kinds of problems such as child marriage, dowry system, polygamous marriages, family violence, child abuse, and control of family size.
Even the recent controversy of Khaps which object to marriage within a village and or within a goter may end.
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Family violence and child abuse are unequivocally bad, yet your extremely intrusive proposal would do nothing to prevent them. As for the others, I fail to see anything so highly objectionable about them that justifies the breath-taking sweep of your proposal.
[quote name='Narindar Sabharwal' date='04 January 2011 - 08:07 AM' timestamp='1294108174' post='110108']
Any two consenting adults (even of the same sex) may marry but only when they obtain a licence to get married from the marriage bureau.
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Oh good! You are on the right side of the fad of the day! Still, I don't understand why they should obtain a license to get married. After all, if the only advantage of your proposal from a social point of view is the counselling in "personal sexual relations, family planning, sexual diseases, responsibilities of children", then how are you going to go about regulating pre-marital sex? After all, the above issues arise in every sexual relationship, not just marriage.
[quote name='Narindar Sabharwal' date='04 January 2011 - 08:07 AM' timestamp='1294108174' post='110108']
This bureau would have an office in every district and it would issue the licence to those couples who are of marriageable age after obtaining their blood samples. Although the couple would be free to marry (within six months) either from a pandit, a sikh priest, a Christian priest or a maulvi, or civil marriage, but they shall under go counselling in personal sexual relations, family planning, sexual diseases, responsibilities of children etc. for three days arranged at the marriage bureau. The officials of various religions shall be duly licensed and required to issue a marriage report (a copy of it would be sent to the Marriage bureau) to the couple after conducting the marriage ceremony.
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More intrusive bullshit. Why is all this any of the govt.'s business?
[quote name='Narindar Sabharwal' date='04 January 2011 - 08:07 AM' timestamp='1294108174' post='110108']
Within 30 days after the marriage has been solemnized the married couple would, after providing a statement of the gifts exchanged and costs incurred, obtain the Marriage Certificate from the Marriage bureau.
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All this can be falsified by the couple at any time. In fact, I will recommend that they falsify this nonsense, just to subvert your proposal.
[quote name='Narindar Sabharwal' date='04 January 2011 - 08:07 AM' timestamp='1294108174' post='110108']The writer is not a lawyer, or a specialist.[/quote]
Unfortunately, that is not his biggest problem. It is the lack of common sense that is most glaring.
Think carefully, Narinder. Your contempt for the average citizen of this country had led you to a point where you want to place his life and liberty in the hands of a government employee. Why? No matter how reprehensible and uncivilized you find his views, he does have a right to order his affairs as he sees fit. What moral authority does the govt have to interfere in this manner?
Like numerous other societal problems of India
its marriage institution also suffers on account of unenforceable or unenforced laws. India is well known among all democracies to have the most farword looking laws but they all suffer from the same affliction: inability of the government to make laws which are enforceable.
[/quote]
Thank Vishnu. If the Govt of India could enforce its laws, India would at once become a totalitarian tyranny. The non-enforceability of its laws is actually a blessing.
[quote name='Narindar Sabharwal' date='04 January 2011 - 08:07 AM' timestamp='1294108174' post='110108']
... a new marital system ought to be developed which not only helps people but ends all kinds of problems such as child marriage, dowry system, polygamous marriages, family violence, child abuse, and control of family size.
Even the recent controversy of Khaps which object to marriage within a village and or within a goter may end.
[/quote]
Family violence and child abuse are unequivocally bad, yet your extremely intrusive proposal would do nothing to prevent them. As for the others, I fail to see anything so highly objectionable about them that justifies the breath-taking sweep of your proposal.
[quote name='Narindar Sabharwal' date='04 January 2011 - 08:07 AM' timestamp='1294108174' post='110108']
Any two consenting adults (even of the same sex) may marry but only when they obtain a licence to get married from the marriage bureau.
[/quote]
Oh good! You are on the right side of the fad of the day! Still, I don't understand why they should obtain a license to get married. After all, if the only advantage of your proposal from a social point of view is the counselling in "personal sexual relations, family planning, sexual diseases, responsibilities of children", then how are you going to go about regulating pre-marital sex? After all, the above issues arise in every sexual relationship, not just marriage.
[quote name='Narindar Sabharwal' date='04 January 2011 - 08:07 AM' timestamp='1294108174' post='110108']
This bureau would have an office in every district and it would issue the licence to those couples who are of marriageable age after obtaining their blood samples. Although the couple would be free to marry (within six months) either from a pandit, a sikh priest, a Christian priest or a maulvi, or civil marriage, but they shall under go counselling in personal sexual relations, family planning, sexual diseases, responsibilities of children etc. for three days arranged at the marriage bureau. The officials of various religions shall be duly licensed and required to issue a marriage report (a copy of it would be sent to the Marriage bureau) to the couple after conducting the marriage ceremony.
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More intrusive bullshit. Why is all this any of the govt.'s business?
[quote name='Narindar Sabharwal' date='04 January 2011 - 08:07 AM' timestamp='1294108174' post='110108']
Within 30 days after the marriage has been solemnized the married couple would, after providing a statement of the gifts exchanged and costs incurred, obtain the Marriage Certificate from the Marriage bureau.
[/quote]
All this can be falsified by the couple at any time. In fact, I will recommend that they falsify this nonsense, just to subvert your proposal.
[quote name='Narindar Sabharwal' date='04 January 2011 - 08:07 AM' timestamp='1294108174' post='110108']The writer is not a lawyer, or a specialist.[/quote]
Unfortunately, that is not his biggest problem. It is the lack of common sense that is most glaring.
Think carefully, Narinder. Your contempt for the average citizen of this country had led you to a point where you want to place his life and liberty in the hands of a government employee. Why? No matter how reprehensible and uncivilized you find his views, he does have a right to order his affairs as he sees fit. What moral authority does the govt have to interfere in this manner?