10-18-2010, 09:03 AM
[quote name='G.Subramaniam' date='17 October 2010 - 07:43 PM' timestamp='1287362118' post='108930']
So why is the BJP and not just BJP, entire sangh parivar is silent on Deganga, except for an organiser article
One would have thought that Deganga was in a sense, vindication of Sangh = IMs cant be trusted and your daughters arent safe
from lecherous IMs[/quote]
You tell why? If they are silent means == sold out or pseudo seculars? (Note - I am not blaming you as I also get several emails from many others with similar thoughts. I am trying to see the point of view of those who criticise certain leaders.)
By the way BJP sent its own members to get the first hand report.Chandan Mitra was part of the team. In fact the sangh wings in that area are working their best in relief.
Probably a deeper analysis would give us some answers. Probably there is no quick or easy answer/solution to current islamic onslaught. Just because a Advani or a Jaitley or a Sushma or even Mohan Bhagawat makes a direct statement or a satyagraha about Deganga will not result in anything.
I hate to say this but there is no other way except capturing power by hook or crook. Borrow, beg and steal too. As long as the power is in INC led government there is no point in discussion Degangas and even the Amarnath trecheory. At the least try to be one who can influence on somethings though you fail miserably in others.
All those who cricise hasn't give a single alternative to what should be done to capture power.If pressed for solutions, the criticizers even go to the length that it is okay not to have power and as long as we are happy doing Varun type stuff our cause will win. Some even say that Advani is worse than Sonia.<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
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Our electoral system is so skewed and even if we are able to make an extra 10% of mullahs sit at home will give enoroumous dividends as opposed to being a Varun Gandhi on the street. In Bihar, Modi not going to campaing and allowing Nitish to be soft on Mullahs is a strategy to make sure that not all mullahs will vote to just one party but could make some of them confused and not vote and in addition divide some votes between INC and RJD+Paswan.
The purists live in a la la land and think that there is some invisible Hindu-vote bank and the bank is not voting to BJP because of disgust due to some sellouts in the system. Even in 1989, 1992 or 1996 there was never a Hindu vote bank that can give electoral dividends. I can go on and write the analysis to prove the point. It was the Mandal that worked in a way which has created an illusionary Hindu-vote bank. This illusionary one is a double edged sword and makes a lot of warriors think that something is wrong with the leadership of sangh and otherwise we would be in power with some 400/570 seats.
The argument goes all the way to say that had Govindacharya, Uma Bharati etc are not sidelined we would have been in power. They fail to answer that all these stalwarts lost miserably when they went out of BJP. Kalyan Singh when he tried to create aa rally at Ayodhya just before verdict only a 1000 turned up. Where is the bank for Uma or kalyan? The point is a lot bring in those names just to criticise Jaitleys and Sushmas because they assume that Kalyans and Umas have more electoral vote capturing power than Sushmas or Jaitleys.
There is no use to such arguments except that we even destroy the engine (just engine and not the one that has a chance) to fight the massive INC+anti national machinery. All of them are useful and there is a need not to call names and rather unite and fight.
The criticim layers goes in a peculiar way:
(1) BJP is soldout and RSS or VHP is fine
(2) Even RSS is sold out
(3) Just criticise anyone and everyone and everything
If (2) is correct then what is the point? It is just internet warriorship and waste of everyone's time. It is like giving up the fight without a shot been fired.
To me these folks (sangh parivar including BJP) are fighting a completely lost battle. There won't be any victories but just some rays of hope. We have only one way that is blindly follow whoever are leaders. The rays can make pathways and then we can fight to see who is best to lead us through the paths. If we just fight the later fights now then it is giving up and nothing else.
Comments welcome.
So why is the BJP and not just BJP, entire sangh parivar is silent on Deganga, except for an organiser article
One would have thought that Deganga was in a sense, vindication of Sangh = IMs cant be trusted and your daughters arent safe
from lecherous IMs[/quote]
You tell why? If they are silent means == sold out or pseudo seculars? (Note - I am not blaming you as I also get several emails from many others with similar thoughts. I am trying to see the point of view of those who criticise certain leaders.)
By the way BJP sent its own members to get the first hand report.Chandan Mitra was part of the team. In fact the sangh wings in that area are working their best in relief.
Probably a deeper analysis would give us some answers. Probably there is no quick or easy answer/solution to current islamic onslaught. Just because a Advani or a Jaitley or a Sushma or even Mohan Bhagawat makes a direct statement or a satyagraha about Deganga will not result in anything.
I hate to say this but there is no other way except capturing power by hook or crook. Borrow, beg and steal too. As long as the power is in INC led government there is no point in discussion Degangas and even the Amarnath trecheory. At the least try to be one who can influence on somethings though you fail miserably in others.
All those who cricise hasn't give a single alternative to what should be done to capture power.If pressed for solutions, the criticizers even go to the length that it is okay not to have power and as long as we are happy doing Varun type stuff our cause will win. Some even say that Advani is worse than Sonia.<img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='
' />Our electoral system is so skewed and even if we are able to make an extra 10% of mullahs sit at home will give enoroumous dividends as opposed to being a Varun Gandhi on the street. In Bihar, Modi not going to campaing and allowing Nitish to be soft on Mullahs is a strategy to make sure that not all mullahs will vote to just one party but could make some of them confused and not vote and in addition divide some votes between INC and RJD+Paswan.
The purists live in a la la land and think that there is some invisible Hindu-vote bank and the bank is not voting to BJP because of disgust due to some sellouts in the system. Even in 1989, 1992 or 1996 there was never a Hindu vote bank that can give electoral dividends. I can go on and write the analysis to prove the point. It was the Mandal that worked in a way which has created an illusionary Hindu-vote bank. This illusionary one is a double edged sword and makes a lot of warriors think that something is wrong with the leadership of sangh and otherwise we would be in power with some 400/570 seats.
The argument goes all the way to say that had Govindacharya, Uma Bharati etc are not sidelined we would have been in power. They fail to answer that all these stalwarts lost miserably when they went out of BJP. Kalyan Singh when he tried to create aa rally at Ayodhya just before verdict only a 1000 turned up. Where is the bank for Uma or kalyan? The point is a lot bring in those names just to criticise Jaitleys and Sushmas because they assume that Kalyans and Umas have more electoral vote capturing power than Sushmas or Jaitleys.
There is no use to such arguments except that we even destroy the engine (just engine and not the one that has a chance) to fight the massive INC+anti national machinery. All of them are useful and there is a need not to call names and rather unite and fight.
The criticim layers goes in a peculiar way:
(1) BJP is soldout and RSS or VHP is fine
(2) Even RSS is sold out
(3) Just criticise anyone and everyone and everything
If (2) is correct then what is the point? It is just internet warriorship and waste of everyone's time. It is like giving up the fight without a shot been fired.
To me these folks (sangh parivar including BJP) are fighting a completely lost battle. There won't be any victories but just some rays of hope. We have only one way that is blindly follow whoever are leaders. The rays can make pathways and then we can fight to see who is best to lead us through the paths. If we just fight the later fights now then it is giving up and nothing else.
Comments welcome.