BV, see around 2nd half of this post.
[quote name='Niki' date='02 May 2010 - 05:31 AM' timestamp='1272758011' post='106174']Are you saying that 1) Christians are encourging Islamists to grow 2) to create room for themselves?[/quote]
Yes to (1).
No to (2).
1) Christianism is encouraging *islam* (i.e. increase in islamic demographics - e.g. their intentional blind eye to infiltrators from the islamic pardeeses next door. E.g. encouragement for islam by govt: quotas, hajj subsidies paid for by Hindus' donations to Hindu Temples, Manmohan stating that muslims have first claim on resources in India - never mind they already stole east and west "Pakistan" from Greater India's Dharmics.)
That the christo meme should be encouraging islamania=islam to multiply is no surprise: it's what it usually does in heathen lands, when it can.
2) Christianism is doing so because it wants to minimise heathenism. Heathenism is enemy #1. The True Religion - be it islamania or christomania, same thing - prefers its own variants (christoislamania) to its foremost enemy. Because "paganism" must die. Wherever it exists. Even if it were in another universum, it must die. So christianism - which is not yet as powerful as it needs to be because it's not in sufficient numbers on its own to take on the whole of the heathen mass of India - will make use of islamism. Besides, promoting islamism offers a cover-shield - helps with cryptochristianism: AP's now-decomposing christoterrorist minister used the majority of Tirupati funds for hajj subsidy and a comparatively much "smaller" fraction for christoterrorism. So it looks "secular" to the insipid among the Indian populace.
[quote name='Niki' date='02 May 2010 - 05:31 AM' timestamp='1272758011' post='106174']
^^^ It does not take millions to get the ball rolling. We need just a few Hindus for that.[/quote]Please tell me you have an actual plan and are not merely talking optimistically. I prefer either a plan or realism.
Anyway, the problem is manifold. Two of which are:
1. The destruction christianism will wreak is directly proportional to the demographics: as the demographics improve in christoislamism's favour (and the tide turns further against Hindus and other Dharmics), the situation will accelerate. I.e. it will get much worse much faster than it has done so far.
Consider that it took so many centuries for christianism to make any inroads into India. Then after so much trying in Nagaland and the rest of the NE and for so long, suddenly, within decades many places are majority christian. Similarly, the percentage increase in converts in the country are much greater in recent times.
The same was the case in S Korea: after some centuries of missionaries, the dividends were still small. Eventually - since the *1980s* they were able to make christianism into half of the *religious* population of that nation, and render Buddhists and indigenous Korean tradition into a minority there.
Hmmm. It is like a hammer ticking away. It may take long at the start. But eventually, when the thing has cracked and an opening has been made, the floodgates are open, and the process can be measured in some foreseeable measure of time. Reaching such a turning point is dangerous IMO, because reclamation becomes ~impossible:
2. Christianism when viewed from a global/historical perspective covering whole regions has only receded vis-a-vis islam. Never vis-a-vis heathenism. Heathens have lost, lost and then lost some more.
(Islam has at least receded to Dharmic religion a little. But we're facing christianism+islam, with christianism guiding islam. Makes it different, worse.)
Very depressing.
Missionary and hence official (western) news sources say China's underground christians number upwards of 100 mill - see for example the link near the bottom of this post. Others claim that unofficially the number of christians in China is much higher. (I know that on the ground here, lots of Chinese churches are springing up, just like imported Korean churches did. That would mean there are many in their homeland too.) But if the official census of China were suddenly to record the same...
(Then again, christianism perhaps has more reason to be afraid of China than of India: christians know no one can touch them in India. But the Chinese govt is not at all anti-christian, even if it does not allow papism/allegiance to Vatican.)
But TN is significantly christian now. Entire villages are. Rural areas. And what is visible in the city is quite cryptochristian too.
Some older articles I saw:
http://christianaggression.org/item_disp...1094588053
http://christianaggression.org/item_disp...1175221207
http://christianaggression.org/item_disp...1116608292
Survey Shows Churches Outnumber Temples in Areas of Andhra 2005
http://christianaggression.org/item_disp...1133890165
Pope blesses YSR to turn AP into 'Christa Pradesh' 2005
http://christianaggression.org/item_disp...1088050395
Conversion at Full Momentum in Nepal 2004
http://christianaggression.org/features_statistics.php
http://christianaggression.org/features_survey.php
www.nzherald.co.nz/religion-and-beliefs/news/article.cfm?c_id=301&objectid=10636340&pnum=0
Plus the many American christocults settling in and attacking other western countries and converting young generations of long-time atheists/agnostics. (Natural western atheists - who are very easy to get along with - as opposed to the militantly/evangelically atheist kind.)
In fact, the christo madmen from America are off to plague Macedonia too (FYROM Macedonia presumably, since it's mentioned in a report on the Balkans):
http://christianaggression.org/item_disp...1113758451
[quote name='Niki' date='02 May 2010 - 05:31 AM' timestamp='1272758011' post='106174']Are you saying that 1) Christians are encourging Islamists to grow 2) to create room for themselves?[/quote]
Yes to (1).
No to (2).
1) Christianism is encouraging *islam* (i.e. increase in islamic demographics - e.g. their intentional blind eye to infiltrators from the islamic pardeeses next door. E.g. encouragement for islam by govt: quotas, hajj subsidies paid for by Hindus' donations to Hindu Temples, Manmohan stating that muslims have first claim on resources in India - never mind they already stole east and west "Pakistan" from Greater India's Dharmics.)
That the christo meme should be encouraging islamania=islam to multiply is no surprise: it's what it usually does in heathen lands, when it can.
2) Christianism is doing so because it wants to minimise heathenism. Heathenism is enemy #1. The True Religion - be it islamania or christomania, same thing - prefers its own variants (christoislamania) to its foremost enemy. Because "paganism" must die. Wherever it exists. Even if it were in another universum, it must die. So christianism - which is not yet as powerful as it needs to be because it's not in sufficient numbers on its own to take on the whole of the heathen mass of India - will make use of islamism. Besides, promoting islamism offers a cover-shield - helps with cryptochristianism: AP's now-decomposing christoterrorist minister used the majority of Tirupati funds for hajj subsidy and a comparatively much "smaller" fraction for christoterrorism. So it looks "secular" to the insipid among the Indian populace.
[quote name='Niki' date='02 May 2010 - 05:31 AM' timestamp='1272758011' post='106174']
^^^ It does not take millions to get the ball rolling. We need just a few Hindus for that.[/quote]Please tell me you have an actual plan and are not merely talking optimistically. I prefer either a plan or realism.
Anyway, the problem is manifold. Two of which are:
1. The destruction christianism will wreak is directly proportional to the demographics: as the demographics improve in christoislamism's favour (and the tide turns further against Hindus and other Dharmics), the situation will accelerate. I.e. it will get much worse much faster than it has done so far.
Consider that it took so many centuries for christianism to make any inroads into India. Then after so much trying in Nagaland and the rest of the NE and for so long, suddenly, within decades many places are majority christian. Similarly, the percentage increase in converts in the country are much greater in recent times.
The same was the case in S Korea: after some centuries of missionaries, the dividends were still small. Eventually - since the *1980s* they were able to make christianism into half of the *religious* population of that nation, and render Buddhists and indigenous Korean tradition into a minority there.
Hmmm. It is like a hammer ticking away. It may take long at the start. But eventually, when the thing has cracked and an opening has been made, the floodgates are open, and the process can be measured in some foreseeable measure of time. Reaching such a turning point is dangerous IMO, because reclamation becomes ~impossible:
2. Christianism when viewed from a global/historical perspective covering whole regions has only receded vis-a-vis islam. Never vis-a-vis heathenism. Heathens have lost, lost and then lost some more.
(Islam has at least receded to Dharmic religion a little. But we're facing christianism+islam, with christianism guiding islam. Makes it different, worse.)
Quote:Are you talking about Julian by Gore Vidal?No. French book (and I remembered the title wrong to boot). Also, it's not fiction but textbook material. Not specifically about Julian either.
Very depressing.
Quote:They may be inflating their numbers to get more funding from the goras abroad.But they're no longer merely giving these numbers through missionary boards but allowing it to be declared in the *official* census. That is, it's now going out to the general public - and of a country where they are still a 'minority' (numerically). For people who eagerly hide their numbers come census time to suddenly start admitting it in public/officially (as opposed to among themselves/to their handlers and benefactors in the west) seems to me to mean that either they are not remotely scared of repercussions to their potentially premature revelation (i.e. they feel very confident to be willing to declare themselves - even overestimate their numbers - and thereby scare their enemies into a waking state), or they think they're beyond trouble now.
Missionary and hence official (western) news sources say China's underground christians number upwards of 100 mill - see for example the link near the bottom of this post. Others claim that unofficially the number of christians in China is much higher. (I know that on the ground here, lots of Chinese churches are springing up, just like imported Korean churches did. That would mean there are many in their homeland too.) But if the official census of China were suddenly to record the same...
(Then again, christianism perhaps has more reason to be afraid of China than of India: christians know no one can touch them in India. But the Chinese govt is not at all anti-christian, even if it does not allow papism/allegiance to Vatican.)
But TN is significantly christian now. Entire villages are. Rural areas. And what is visible in the city is quite cryptochristian too.
Some older articles I saw:
http://christianaggression.org/item_disp...1094588053
Quote:Census Reveals Rampant Conversions in Tamil Nadu, KeralaThat was in 2004.
Posted September 7, 2004
Times of India
IANS [TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 07, 2004 03:56:14 PM]
Some 43 percent of Kerala's 31 million people are Muslims and Christians, and the Muslim community in the southern state has more women than men.
Ernakulam district in Kerala has the highest percent of the Christians in India, while Malapuram district has the second largest Muslim population in the country after Murshidabad in West Bengal.
Kottayam district has the second largest Christian population in the country, while Thrissur and Thiruvananthapuram districts are placed at fourth and fifth place.
Kanyakumari in Tamil Nadu is the district with the third largest Christian population in India.
Christians form 19 percent and Muslims 24.7 percent of the total population in the state. Hindus make up for 56.2 percent of the population.
http://christianaggression.org/item_disp...1175221207
Quote:Investigative Report:Change in the winds; A new religion takes root
Posted March 29, 2007
March 25, 2007
Andhra Jyothy
Source Link
(Click the source link for original article in Telugu)
(Translated by a reader)
source: Andhra Jyothy, March 25, 2007
Massive conversions in the North-Andhra agency areas
Half of the Savara tribe have become baptists
A PERFECT PLANNING AT VILLAGE LEVEL
COLLECTING HUGE DONATIONS IN THE NAME OF SERVICE TO JESUS
Pastor replacing community head, traditional names are vanishing
http://christianaggression.org/item_disp...1116608292
Survey Shows Churches Outnumber Temples in Areas of Andhra 2005
http://christianaggression.org/item_disp...1133890165
Pope blesses YSR to turn AP into 'Christa Pradesh' 2005
http://christianaggression.org/item_disp...1088050395
Conversion at Full Momentum in Nepal 2004
http://christianaggression.org/features_statistics.php
Quote:Conversion Facts
- US $145 Billion are spent annually for missionary activities.
- Every year, churches around the world perform US $1.1 billion worth of research in 3,000 languages, covering 180 religious topics for conversion purposes.
- Missionary literature in today's libraries number 175,000 different titles in 500 languages, increasing by 4 newly published every day.
- The total cost of Christian conversions averages $330,000 for each and every convert.
- From only 3 million in year 1500, Christians involved in missionary activities has grown to 648 million worldwide, 54% being Non-Whites (Showing the focus of training of indigenous missionaries).
- There are only 818 ethno linguistic peoples or tribal groups which have never been targeted by any Christian agency.
- It costs Christians 700 times more money to convert someone in rich developed countries such as Switzerland than in poor developing countries such as India. (That is why India is being heavily targeted).
[color="#0000FF"]- Each day 10,000 Chinese are converted to Christianity due to missionary tactics.
- Each year 3.5% of Africans (6 Million) convert to Christianity.[/color]
- The top three poorest countries in the world by per capita GDP are all 40-70% Christian (Notice how Missionaries target the poorest populations).
- In 1972, there were 26 indigenous missionary agencies in India, as of 1997 there are more than 200.
- [color="#0000FF"]In India, it is estimated that 5,000 people are converted to Christianity everyday. That's one person every 17.28 seconds![/color]
http://christianaggression.org/features_survey.php
Quote:Assault on IndiaImportant for Hindus to take note of those measures the church *believes* will enable christianism to successfully convert India.
[...]
Figure 1 above displays the percentage of Hindus in each state in India, where red has the highest concentration and yellow is the lowest. The central states of Orissa, Madhya Pradesh and Chhattisgarh (red) have the highest percentage of Hindus and are what missionaries have labeled as "The Hindu Belt". [color="#0000FF"]The church has aims to eliminate Hinduism believes the entire population of India can be converted to Christianity if this region is converted first. In fact, the church has deemed that the "Evangelization of the Hindu belt of India may be the greatest single challenge in world evangelization today."[/color] Below we will go take a further look into how the church is furiously working to achieve this goal and destroy the religious identity of India.
www.nzherald.co.nz/religion-and-beliefs/news/article.cfm?c_id=301&objectid=10636340&pnum=0
Quote:Religion undergoing startling resurrectionThe disease keeps feeding itself, keeping itself alive. Missionaries going here and there to save The Unsaved and save The Backsliding for the non-existent christoterrorist in the sky.
By Tapu Misa
4:00 AM Monday Apr 5, 2010
[...]
As Dinesh D'Souza writes in What's So Great About Christianity (2007):
[color="#800080"](<snip. No one cares> But it's weird that they're now quoting that christist madman Dinace D'Souza outside America. Am I glad India exported D'Sauce instead of keeping it.)[/color]
[...]
Christianity is still the fastest-growing religion in the world (Islam is second, except in Europe), but its face is no longer white.
In 1900, more than 80 per cent of Christians lived in Europe and America, and just 10 per cent of Africans were Christian. [color="#0000FF"]Now 360 million (around 50 per cent) of all Africans are Christians. There are more churchgoing Presbyterians in Ghana than in Scotland, more Baptists in Nagaland, India, than in the American South, and more Anglicans in Nigeria (17 million) than in England (two million).[/color]
And despite the restrictions imposed by the Chinese Government, it is estimated there are now 100 million Christians in China who worship in underground evangelical and Catholic churches. China is projected to become the largest Christian country in the world.
Europe once sent missionaries out to the far reaches of Africa and Asia.
Now, it's the other way round, with some 15,000 missionaries from Brazil, South Korea, China and Africa spreading the word in England.
[...]
Plus the many American christocults settling in and attacking other western countries and converting young generations of long-time atheists/agnostics. (Natural western atheists - who are very easy to get along with - as opposed to the militantly/evangelically atheist kind.)
In fact, the christo madmen from America are off to plague Macedonia too (FYROM Macedonia presumably, since it's mentioned in a report on the Balkans):
http://christianaggression.org/item_disp...1113758451
Quote:Macedonia: No Paradise on Earth for Christian ProselytizersPoor FYROM.
Posted April 17, 2005
Balkanalysis.com Rapid Reactions
Saturday, April 16, 2005
Macedonians have yet another reason to feel inferior and deficient. According to some of the biggest proselytizing groups around, they are just not welcoming enough to the Good Lord Jesus Christ and His messengers.
It's hard to tell just how lost Macedonia is on the International Mission Board's "map of lostness," which color-codes the whole world into danger zones according to their relative lack of Evangelical Christians, but it's pretty dark. And the Southern Baptists, who taunt the Macedonian Orthodox Church as "spiritually weak and vehemently opposed to evangelistic ministries," lets it be known that "...Macedonia may need evangelical pioneering more than any other European nation."
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