01-24-2005, 03:43 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> Entitlement with no Responsibilities<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Go ahead and explain 'where is there entitlement without responsibilities'. When you can disengage from the cat, that is. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> They way I see it, ethics, responsibilities and disciplines are built into every profession.
All those comments of mumbo jumbo and spins are just born of scorn and disdain, expressing an impassive poor plea for the status quo. But I have already mentioned that the mathas and the priesthood 'have already lost the initiative for reforms', now merely unwilling spectators and sore losers.
Isn't that what you are now - being just a frightful lost spectator to the events? But I have the initiative, and I am really doing something, shaping events. Everyday I am reminded of this when I log on and check the mail; that there are respondents from all over the world, asking, encouraging and contributing and willing to learn and convert.
While you can offer mostly euro-constructs theories and concepts, I offer proof of the changes and of the loss of initiative; its there in Kalavai, its there in Vellore, its there in Pillaiyarpatti, in those padasalas in Pune and Mumbai, its there when the people rose to the occasion to meet the tsunami challenge.
So caught up in your books and theories, you just cant get out of the box. But you want to get in the way, throw a log in the path, offer jeers and sneers, and place 'another brick in the wall'.
When brahmin folks themselves admit to me, 'no one (brahmin that is) is shastrically correct', 'only one in ten brahmin priests mind you, do their sandhyas' - why then should I listen to you about responsibilities? When I observe this myself, and when I observe neighbouring brahmins hurting each other with words of abuse against the other mothers' that cannot be repeated in a public forum, when I see them doing pujas to plot each other's downfall, priests mind you - why should I listen to you on entitlement?
They are just people. Most ekeing out a living on miserable wages in miserable conditions, begging reform, but would leave the priesthood at the first chance of a better live as they cannot wait and be altogether done with it. So why should I listen to you when they have spoken so clearly?
In a country where the founding father, a man of peace and ahimsa, is killed in the name of religion, where the guards turn on and kill their own PM, when a PM is wacked on the head by a common soldier, then killed by another women, where the shisya turns against the guru, where the priests do all the things I mentioned, where Hindus scorn another - all this tells me this is a nation of heavy karmas - so heavy they cant see the way out of the abyss. Mostly sitting in the UK and America, they cant even make a difference between India and Hinduism, and dont know where to start, cant even make a difference between JS the man, and JS the seer, and greeting any suggestions with hostility.
Then there are the honest brahmin folks who want to reform, no insist on it, are willing to call a spade for wha it is, and urge us on. Once India is modestly developed, which I forsee (oops!) by 2010 or 2012, most of the priesthood would have automatically reformed.
On another issue, in all seriousness JS should have a psychiatric evaluation before he initiates a third acharya, and that too in the presence of magistrates. This is to avoid VS later challenging it, or himself appointing a third acharya.
Regards.
Pathma.
Go ahead and explain 'where is there entitlement without responsibilities'. When you can disengage from the cat, that is. <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> They way I see it, ethics, responsibilities and disciplines are built into every profession.All those comments of mumbo jumbo and spins are just born of scorn and disdain, expressing an impassive poor plea for the status quo. But I have already mentioned that the mathas and the priesthood 'have already lost the initiative for reforms', now merely unwilling spectators and sore losers.
Isn't that what you are now - being just a frightful lost spectator to the events? But I have the initiative, and I am really doing something, shaping events. Everyday I am reminded of this when I log on and check the mail; that there are respondents from all over the world, asking, encouraging and contributing and willing to learn and convert.
While you can offer mostly euro-constructs theories and concepts, I offer proof of the changes and of the loss of initiative; its there in Kalavai, its there in Vellore, its there in Pillaiyarpatti, in those padasalas in Pune and Mumbai, its there when the people rose to the occasion to meet the tsunami challenge.
So caught up in your books and theories, you just cant get out of the box. But you want to get in the way, throw a log in the path, offer jeers and sneers, and place 'another brick in the wall'.
When brahmin folks themselves admit to me, 'no one (brahmin that is) is shastrically correct', 'only one in ten brahmin priests mind you, do their sandhyas' - why then should I listen to you about responsibilities? When I observe this myself, and when I observe neighbouring brahmins hurting each other with words of abuse against the other mothers' that cannot be repeated in a public forum, when I see them doing pujas to plot each other's downfall, priests mind you - why should I listen to you on entitlement?
They are just people. Most ekeing out a living on miserable wages in miserable conditions, begging reform, but would leave the priesthood at the first chance of a better live as they cannot wait and be altogether done with it. So why should I listen to you when they have spoken so clearly?
In a country where the founding father, a man of peace and ahimsa, is killed in the name of religion, where the guards turn on and kill their own PM, when a PM is wacked on the head by a common soldier, then killed by another women, where the shisya turns against the guru, where the priests do all the things I mentioned, where Hindus scorn another - all this tells me this is a nation of heavy karmas - so heavy they cant see the way out of the abyss. Mostly sitting in the UK and America, they cant even make a difference between India and Hinduism, and dont know where to start, cant even make a difference between JS the man, and JS the seer, and greeting any suggestions with hostility.
Then there are the honest brahmin folks who want to reform, no insist on it, are willing to call a spade for wha it is, and urge us on. Once India is modestly developed, which I forsee (oops!) by 2010 or 2012, most of the priesthood would have automatically reformed.
On another issue, in all seriousness JS should have a psychiatric evaluation before he initiates a third acharya, and that too in the presence of magistrates. This is to avoid VS later challenging it, or himself appointing a third acharya.
Regards.
Pathma.