04-29-2009, 05:12 AM
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Lost their job, lost their traditions, living at the edge of the city without identity documents, without acts of ownership, without electricity, without sewage.
Many, but disarray. Sedentary, but not acts of land. Children go to school, parents - to work or begging. Confess in Filadelfia. This is called their new church, the Pentecostal rite. The craft, which gave them identity was lost.
There is a blacksmith, not disciples. Leading them is a reserve officer, who lives with the hope that God gives him days to complete its work: translating the Bible into English.
A few kilometers from Brasov, on leaving the city to SÄcele key on DN1A lives most of the Roma community in the county. Over 10,000 Roma lead their lives in this area, houses built without any legal form.
Gârciniului residents of the area considered to be disadvantaged in many ways, their needs and give high fuzz local authorities. Place the'50 years on the periphery of the Seven Villages, it was formerly called SÄcele, Roma were urbanize by the communist regime. Originally lingurari Gypsy or rudari few known language and remember their traditions lost in time.
In the intense industrial development in Brasov, they were forced to engage in large factories. After the Revolution, among which were the first times were voluntarily entered the lists were made by Roma ... "Gypsy, Roma do not!" If you get into talking with them, you risk to spend hours on end. Some will not even tell them Roma, but gypsies.
But most fail to recognize the origin and were said to last Romanian census. Name but betray him: MarÅavela, Bug, Brumar, Lingurar are families that include hundreds of people. Regardless of this, they complain that there are injustices when it comes to the realization of investments to improve life. 'Mr', silk, you know that the last two years, in addition to social welfare, has not done anything for us? If it rains, the mud is a no longer get the little school. The whole town Friday garbage collecting machines, to us is when you do this holiday.
We have tap water, sewage system tray, no electricity we show. Cheers heartburning forest that us and God gives us good to warm winter, "he summarized one of disagreeable people" cockroaches. "And the truth is not far. Scumbags are everywhere, scattered like someone special. Among them, puradeii swim in mud, misery and water is pouring from clogged sewers.
School - "suffocate" the puradei Most general school for Roma children in the country is at GÃRCINA. In the two bodies of school learning to write and read to 1,500 students in classes I-VIII. Another 150 children are in kindergarten. Civilized conditions in school are fruit îndÄrÄtniciei who fought with the institution director, Alexander Toth, of which 32 years generations of Roma pÄstoreÅte them out of the gutter illiteracy facing most adults.
Toth says the major problem faced is the lack of space: "The children now learn in three shifts. And so we will no longer face. Think about it the second year that ends in two classes VIII and Friday eight freshman class. And for the new school year we have the same numbers ...". Those who are in higher classes start absent: they are sent to begging, but most often goes to collect cardboard and scrap.
Protocol between the parson and vardist Anyone can enter the church "Filadelfia" Roma in SÄcele, sermon where Pastor Vasile Ghica. "Brother" Vasile is national president of the Assemblies of God, Pentecostal and apostolic of Roma in Romania. OrtodocÅii have nothing against the Protestant church. "We still fewer problems when Gypsies go to church.
Stealing is less, not more scandals before, we ÅopteÅte come to an old gate. SÄcele thought things seem to be otherwise than învârteascÄ country. Here, the police chief signed a protocol with Pastor Ghica law by which people attempt reduce crime phenomenon with God.
"I need to determine those who were wrong to denounce anti-facts, in order to reduce punishment and forgiveness of sins", is one of the points agreed in the protocol. And "brother" Ghica has a push on the heart: "Our cemeteries are big problem. The dead shall go to just bury him in Brasov, in a private cemetery.
"I was garbage the world" George Vaida is an old man of 82 years from Brasov OrmeniÅ. Not bulibaÅÄ and has built palaces. But is proud that, although gypsy, had part of education. Did the school officers and came to the company commander of guards at Braila, with the lieutenant-major: "I know Gypsy, Romanian, Hungarian and nemÅ£eascÄ.
Russian and I knew that I had problems with them at the border, but I forgot it, that I spoke, "praise be able Vaida. He enjoys great respect among the Gypsies, because they vesteÅte Gospel in their language, in BisericuÅ£a arranged with help from brothers Pentecostals from abroad. The man knew enough that, despite old age, started to translate the Bible into the language of the Gypsies. To translate the Old and New Testaments using an English version.
Last master blacksmith Another representative of the Roma, which they stand is Matthew Gabor. An old man who has attained 75 years and who is not given in the hands of young people when it comes to the knight sledgehammer. Gabor is held in the village of Viscri and says that Hungarian gypsies, but is doing quite well and Romanian. Matthew is able to praise Unfortunately that is the last remaining blacksmith in the village and playing with metal flame for 60 years. Job stole it from his father, who he learned it all from Dad.
It was true vogue Festival Medieval city (see photo) where the master in a few moments a shoe that sold tourists come to the workshop arranged under a tent in Brasov. Modesty is not characterized, but has reasons. "If I order one and put money down and make it hell of iron." His only hope is a grandson, Istvan Gabor, you increase the parents after they have died.
Together with the young, the old enjoy the symphony of the two iron bar to hit flush by giving the final form. Florarii from social TÄrlungeni Roma community is not easy. This was possible in the village TÄrlungeni where funding through PHARE, 100 Roma have become experts in being a florist-decorator.
Also, County Agency for Employment BraÅov made money fighting skills of 100 persons of Roma ethnicity who come not only from TÄrlungeni, but also Zizin and Budila. After completing the course, graduates were hired for an indefinite period the company established and funded to begin the necessary facilities for the PHARE program. The production company is focused on the funeral of coronet cetina pine, corona and decorative floral arrangements, sold in markets not only in Romania but also in the Netherlands, Austria or Germany.
History uncertain, prospects uncertain
In the old days, being slaves, rudarii working in the forest and received as payment, wood. From this wooden trough made, white, twisted, chairs, spoons and other objects, which they sell in markets. Others are occupied with the processing of iron. But unfortunately, most rudarilor and crafts were abandoned. Community rudarilor of GÃRCINA is a good example of this.
I saw that the only blacksmith is an old man who failed to persuade any young rudar would become journeyman. During the history of nomad Roma seated rudarii their camps near tinner, silverware or ceaunari, trades people who have complementary with theirs. While they were being assimilated by other nations, or Romanian.
Target groups neofascist
Between 1939 and 1945, more than half a million Gypsies were victims of National Socialism german, along with their extermination of the Jews is one of the most shameful pages of history. Council of Europe report of 2004 speaks, referring to the situation of Roma in Germany, on "social disadvantage, prejudice, discrimination in the housing and obtaining a job," and that "cases of racism landslide.
At present, according to statistics (whose accuracy is not guaranteed because of the massive return movements and those in question), living in Germany about 130,000 Roma, of which at least 70,000 have german passport, being declared "national minority". Have rights and obligations and to the extent that they view their work, are assimilated by society.
But if you do not respect the law, then are punished unkind (to reach up to expulsion). But have suffered because of events promoted by racist and extremist groups neofascist. And those most affected in this regard are Roma refugees in Germany after the wars in former Yugoslavia. It is estimated that in that period, over 100,000 gypsies have arrived on the german, but also in other countries in Western Europe. (Adina Suteu)
OPINION
Michael Neacsu
Poor material and spiritual
Kind of Beginning
Roma rudari or lingurari are by far the nation of nations assimilated Roma, where we relate to nations that Roma have a specific job: tinker, tinner, silverware ...
Very few Roma in May rudari Romanian language (in the Roma rudari Caracal) or more traditional craft practice, most of them being representative of the Babeni, jud Vâlcea that national recognition on the objects of its products, present in most of traditional crafts fairs. In the Roma community from similar to that of GÃRCINA, poverty etnicizat because they represent the poorest stratum of the Romanian society overall. Indeed, as described in the Roma community GÃRCINA situation of many Roma communities in Romania send us think of the Middle Ages. Involved in this case a drop of local authorities towards its citizens, but also a kind of automarginalizare of citizens in relation to minimum standards of living: access to infrastructure, education and health.
In fact, these work great social labeling made to accept the Roma to be treated as citizens of second-hand, some of them reaching even to behave that way. An important aspect is that most poverty in these communities is not necessarily material poverty (which there should be notable), but spiritual poverty, the state which makes man to behave as if nothing can be changed for the better and no effort could contribute to improving the situation at individual or community. Basically, in such communities must be an intervention from outside, to develop in partnership with the authorities and representatives comunitÄÅ£tii programs / projects designed to reduce the poverty (material and spiritual) existence.
Although not tinker, but vÄtraÅ, Mihai Neacsu is a connoisseur of this tribe, coordinating social projects within the community.
rudari Gypsies are not agree with dan
rudareasa of lugoj are not feeling a bit gypsy, everybody says that they are for as little brunette and have a dictionary that is used in old I still say they do not make me gypsy but they say that I ashamed to admit that are gypsy, each time speaking Gypsies in the group all look at me as if I r-offend, and he apologize to me but they know that I was mad narei worse how they behave. and if d gypsy who would be the problem and take the Gypsies did God if heaven when our duty is to help them integrate into society and end ...
Mr 'Neascu, rudarii are not Gypsies, and I am rudar are a student at FC, you do well if you read the history of Romania, in particular Dacians, then I will give a great history .. maybe you are gipsy.
we were a tribe of the vase once honest and not a culture without such as Gypsies, sorry but talking BS.
Mihai Neacsu e tigan
Michael Neacsu is gypsy and is one who take advantage of poverty and Gypsies Inculture to steal money meant for EU inbunatatirea Gypsies in romania.
Anyway is dirty
Animal not pick people's plate, but you ŢIGAN steal everything, so Gypsies are subanimale must be gazed, killed or forced the move to Siberia, the Sahara, Amazon where they can lounge as they like, what are some bedbug, grasshopper and paste what vegeteaza on normal human societtile!
what are you?
... what you call man ... they are not to blame as were born in a minority that do not want anyone on this world but that you think you .... trying to live in Siberia, and if you get cold in the Sahara to get warm ....
It may answer Mr Neacsu that we are persecuted by the Romans gipsy.Romanians are beaten, stolen, excroc, deceived by the Gypsies and all they are the ones who shout in my mouth than I am about discriminated.Cit poverty is not general and often is masked.Poate you were to Strehaia, Buzescu, where Gypsies have Toflea palace near the palace, of course obtained by theft, deception and evasion mendicancy.
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Many, but disarray. Sedentary, but not acts of land. Children go to school, parents - to work or begging. Confess in Filadelfia. This is called their new church, the Pentecostal rite. The craft, which gave them identity was lost.
There is a blacksmith, not disciples. Leading them is a reserve officer, who lives with the hope that God gives him days to complete its work: translating the Bible into English.
A few kilometers from Brasov, on leaving the city to SÄcele key on DN1A lives most of the Roma community in the county. Over 10,000 Roma lead their lives in this area, houses built without any legal form.
Gârciniului residents of the area considered to be disadvantaged in many ways, their needs and give high fuzz local authorities. Place the'50 years on the periphery of the Seven Villages, it was formerly called SÄcele, Roma were urbanize by the communist regime. Originally lingurari Gypsy or rudari few known language and remember their traditions lost in time.
In the intense industrial development in Brasov, they were forced to engage in large factories. After the Revolution, among which were the first times were voluntarily entered the lists were made by Roma ... "Gypsy, Roma do not!" If you get into talking with them, you risk to spend hours on end. Some will not even tell them Roma, but gypsies.
But most fail to recognize the origin and were said to last Romanian census. Name but betray him: MarÅavela, Bug, Brumar, Lingurar are families that include hundreds of people. Regardless of this, they complain that there are injustices when it comes to the realization of investments to improve life. 'Mr', silk, you know that the last two years, in addition to social welfare, has not done anything for us? If it rains, the mud is a no longer get the little school. The whole town Friday garbage collecting machines, to us is when you do this holiday.
We have tap water, sewage system tray, no electricity we show. Cheers heartburning forest that us and God gives us good to warm winter, "he summarized one of disagreeable people" cockroaches. "And the truth is not far. Scumbags are everywhere, scattered like someone special. Among them, puradeii swim in mud, misery and water is pouring from clogged sewers.
School - "suffocate" the puradei Most general school for Roma children in the country is at GÃRCINA. In the two bodies of school learning to write and read to 1,500 students in classes I-VIII. Another 150 children are in kindergarten. Civilized conditions in school are fruit îndÄrÄtniciei who fought with the institution director, Alexander Toth, of which 32 years generations of Roma pÄstoreÅte them out of the gutter illiteracy facing most adults.
Toth says the major problem faced is the lack of space: "The children now learn in three shifts. And so we will no longer face. Think about it the second year that ends in two classes VIII and Friday eight freshman class. And for the new school year we have the same numbers ...". Those who are in higher classes start absent: they are sent to begging, but most often goes to collect cardboard and scrap.
Protocol between the parson and vardist Anyone can enter the church "Filadelfia" Roma in SÄcele, sermon where Pastor Vasile Ghica. "Brother" Vasile is national president of the Assemblies of God, Pentecostal and apostolic of Roma in Romania. OrtodocÅii have nothing against the Protestant church. "We still fewer problems when Gypsies go to church.
Stealing is less, not more scandals before, we ÅopteÅte come to an old gate. SÄcele thought things seem to be otherwise than învârteascÄ country. Here, the police chief signed a protocol with Pastor Ghica law by which people attempt reduce crime phenomenon with God.
"I need to determine those who were wrong to denounce anti-facts, in order to reduce punishment and forgiveness of sins", is one of the points agreed in the protocol. And "brother" Ghica has a push on the heart: "Our cemeteries are big problem. The dead shall go to just bury him in Brasov, in a private cemetery.
"I was garbage the world" George Vaida is an old man of 82 years from Brasov OrmeniÅ. Not bulibaÅÄ and has built palaces. But is proud that, although gypsy, had part of education. Did the school officers and came to the company commander of guards at Braila, with the lieutenant-major: "I know Gypsy, Romanian, Hungarian and nemÅ£eascÄ.
Russian and I knew that I had problems with them at the border, but I forgot it, that I spoke, "praise be able Vaida. He enjoys great respect among the Gypsies, because they vesteÅte Gospel in their language, in BisericuÅ£a arranged with help from brothers Pentecostals from abroad. The man knew enough that, despite old age, started to translate the Bible into the language of the Gypsies. To translate the Old and New Testaments using an English version.
Last master blacksmith Another representative of the Roma, which they stand is Matthew Gabor. An old man who has attained 75 years and who is not given in the hands of young people when it comes to the knight sledgehammer. Gabor is held in the village of Viscri and says that Hungarian gypsies, but is doing quite well and Romanian. Matthew is able to praise Unfortunately that is the last remaining blacksmith in the village and playing with metal flame for 60 years. Job stole it from his father, who he learned it all from Dad.
It was true vogue Festival Medieval city (see photo) where the master in a few moments a shoe that sold tourists come to the workshop arranged under a tent in Brasov. Modesty is not characterized, but has reasons. "If I order one and put money down and make it hell of iron." His only hope is a grandson, Istvan Gabor, you increase the parents after they have died.
Together with the young, the old enjoy the symphony of the two iron bar to hit flush by giving the final form. Florarii from social TÄrlungeni Roma community is not easy. This was possible in the village TÄrlungeni where funding through PHARE, 100 Roma have become experts in being a florist-decorator.
Also, County Agency for Employment BraÅov made money fighting skills of 100 persons of Roma ethnicity who come not only from TÄrlungeni, but also Zizin and Budila. After completing the course, graduates were hired for an indefinite period the company established and funded to begin the necessary facilities for the PHARE program. The production company is focused on the funeral of coronet cetina pine, corona and decorative floral arrangements, sold in markets not only in Romania but also in the Netherlands, Austria or Germany.
History uncertain, prospects uncertain
In the old days, being slaves, rudarii working in the forest and received as payment, wood. From this wooden trough made, white, twisted, chairs, spoons and other objects, which they sell in markets. Others are occupied with the processing of iron. But unfortunately, most rudarilor and crafts were abandoned. Community rudarilor of GÃRCINA is a good example of this.
I saw that the only blacksmith is an old man who failed to persuade any young rudar would become journeyman. During the history of nomad Roma seated rudarii their camps near tinner, silverware or ceaunari, trades people who have complementary with theirs. While they were being assimilated by other nations, or Romanian.
Target groups neofascist
Between 1939 and 1945, more than half a million Gypsies were victims of National Socialism german, along with their extermination of the Jews is one of the most shameful pages of history. Council of Europe report of 2004 speaks, referring to the situation of Roma in Germany, on "social disadvantage, prejudice, discrimination in the housing and obtaining a job," and that "cases of racism landslide.
At present, according to statistics (whose accuracy is not guaranteed because of the massive return movements and those in question), living in Germany about 130,000 Roma, of which at least 70,000 have german passport, being declared "national minority". Have rights and obligations and to the extent that they view their work, are assimilated by society.
But if you do not respect the law, then are punished unkind (to reach up to expulsion). But have suffered because of events promoted by racist and extremist groups neofascist. And those most affected in this regard are Roma refugees in Germany after the wars in former Yugoslavia. It is estimated that in that period, over 100,000 gypsies have arrived on the german, but also in other countries in Western Europe. (Adina Suteu)
OPINION
Michael Neacsu
Poor material and spiritual
Kind of Beginning
Roma rudari or lingurari are by far the nation of nations assimilated Roma, where we relate to nations that Roma have a specific job: tinker, tinner, silverware ...
Very few Roma in May rudari Romanian language (in the Roma rudari Caracal) or more traditional craft practice, most of them being representative of the Babeni, jud Vâlcea that national recognition on the objects of its products, present in most of traditional crafts fairs. In the Roma community from similar to that of GÃRCINA, poverty etnicizat because they represent the poorest stratum of the Romanian society overall. Indeed, as described in the Roma community GÃRCINA situation of many Roma communities in Romania send us think of the Middle Ages. Involved in this case a drop of local authorities towards its citizens, but also a kind of automarginalizare of citizens in relation to minimum standards of living: access to infrastructure, education and health.
In fact, these work great social labeling made to accept the Roma to be treated as citizens of second-hand, some of them reaching even to behave that way. An important aspect is that most poverty in these communities is not necessarily material poverty (which there should be notable), but spiritual poverty, the state which makes man to behave as if nothing can be changed for the better and no effort could contribute to improving the situation at individual or community. Basically, in such communities must be an intervention from outside, to develop in partnership with the authorities and representatives comunitÄÅ£tii programs / projects designed to reduce the poverty (material and spiritual) existence.
Although not tinker, but vÄtraÅ, Mihai Neacsu is a connoisseur of this tribe, coordinating social projects within the community.
rudari Gypsies are not agree with dan
rudareasa of lugoj are not feeling a bit gypsy, everybody says that they are for as little brunette and have a dictionary that is used in old I still say they do not make me gypsy but they say that I ashamed to admit that are gypsy, each time speaking Gypsies in the group all look at me as if I r-offend, and he apologize to me but they know that I was mad narei worse how they behave. and if d gypsy who would be the problem and take the Gypsies did God if heaven when our duty is to help them integrate into society and end ...
Mr 'Neascu, rudarii are not Gypsies, and I am rudar are a student at FC, you do well if you read the history of Romania, in particular Dacians, then I will give a great history .. maybe you are gipsy.
we were a tribe of the vase once honest and not a culture without such as Gypsies, sorry but talking BS.
Mihai Neacsu e tigan
Michael Neacsu is gypsy and is one who take advantage of poverty and Gypsies Inculture to steal money meant for EU inbunatatirea Gypsies in romania.
Anyway is dirty
Animal not pick people's plate, but you ŢIGAN steal everything, so Gypsies are subanimale must be gazed, killed or forced the move to Siberia, the Sahara, Amazon where they can lounge as they like, what are some bedbug, grasshopper and paste what vegeteaza on normal human societtile!
what are you?
... what you call man ... they are not to blame as were born in a minority that do not want anyone on this world but that you think you .... trying to live in Siberia, and if you get cold in the Sahara to get warm ....
It may answer Mr Neacsu that we are persecuted by the Romans gipsy.Romanians are beaten, stolen, excroc, deceived by the Gypsies and all they are the ones who shout in my mouth than I am about discriminated.Cit poverty is not general and often is masked.Poate you were to Strehaia, Buzescu, where Gypsies have Toflea palace near the palace, of course obtained by theft, deception and evasion mendicancy.
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