<!--QuoteBegin-Swamy G+Mar 26 2009, 12:16 AM-->QUOTE(Swamy G @ Mar 26 2009, 12:16 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I added info about Shashi Tharoor. His mom is Lily Tharoor. Does anybody know if Keralite Hindus have Lily has a name?[right][snapback]95775[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-Pandyan+Mar 26 2009, 01:39 AM-->QUOTE(Pandyan @ Mar 26 2009, 01:39 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Once on Bill Maher's commie leftist program, Shashi Tharoor described himself as "Hindu". His mother is most likely an Xtian.[right][snapback]95777[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Amartya Sen describes himself as a "Hindu atheist". For example, also hinted at in wacky: "Although Sen is a self-proclaimed atheist, he claims that this can be associated with Hinduism as a political entity".
In spite of all of Amartya's opportunistic pouncing on the term 'Hindu', Amartya's wife is some dubious character from the west and, more importantly, his one-time girlfriend - as per Rudradev and others somewhere on IF - was one notorious anti-Hindu christian "Martha Nussbaum". IIRC martha wrote a piece on "Godhra riots: Hindus in the train got burnt spontaneously after they harrassed some muslim girl or a muslim tea vendor or something and then Hindus attacked the innocent muslims".
People describing themselves as Hindu are a dime a dozen. Some of them turn out to be anti-Hindus. Better to look at what *other* things they say and also what they do.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swamy G+Mar 26 2009, 02:34 AM-->QUOTE(Swamy G @ Mar 26 2009, 02:34 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Awwww, Bill Maher's program is great. I too read about some of his family members being interested in Sanskrit, Classical Malayalam etc. As long as there is a sincere respect for local traditions and culture things should hopefully be good.
[right][snapback]95778[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The new trend among catholics is parasitism: that everything Hindu is supposedly "secular" and hence theirs too (this is better explained by Ishwar Sharan).
Such 'interests' mean nothing, indicate nothing about what Tharoor is.
Let's leave it to the professional to clarify - Rajeev on Shashi. Turns out Shashi Tharoor is another anti-Hindu who opportunistically calls himself Hindu in public.
A large excerpt (rest at link):
http://election.rediff.com/column/2009/apr...shi-tharoor.htm
via http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/04/raj...i-tharoors.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>My dilemma with Shashi Tharoor</b>
Rajeev Srinivasan
April 13, 2009
Many readers may be aware that Shashi Tharoor [Images], former UN under secretary general and well-known writer, is a candidate for the Lok Sabha from the Thiruvananthapuram constituency, which happens to be my hometown.
[...]
Second, I am disturbed by some of Shashi's own opinions. <b>He has done his share of what I consider Hindu-bashing.</b> This distresses me, because I am sure he knows -- based on his experience with the UN high commissioner of refugees -- the extent of damage done to Hindus in the subcontinent. The wholesale massacres and ethnic cleansing of millions from the then-East Pakistan in 1971, the forced migration of 400,000 Kashmiri Pandits from their ancestral lands in 1989, the virtual disappearance of Hindus from Pakistan and Bangladesh -- the victims of oppression have been overwhelmingly Hindu.
Today, Sri Lankan Hindus are dying because of the reign of terror unleashed by a Christian-run terrorist group, the LTTE [Images]. Which, incidentally, is eerily similar to the so-called Maoists who terrorise Nepal and 180 districts of India: Circumstantial evidence suggests that they are aligned with and possibly funded by Christian missionaries, and that they owe their allegiance not to China, but to Christian cults.
In Malaysia, Hindu activists have protested severe repression, including forcible conversions and the destruction of scores of temples. In Fiji, there are frequent news reports of desecrations of Hindu temples. The United Progressive Alliance government has never supported any of these overseas Hindus, even though they are keen to ask for their money.
<b>Shashi makes it a point to clarify that he sympathises with the Palestinians.</b> But why does he refuse to be equally vocal in support of Kashmiri Pandits, rotting away in refugee camps 20 years after they were ethnically cleansed? Why does he write a book called Riot in which he squarely blames Hindus for religious riots when the record shows that practically every riot in India has been instigated by the belligerence of Semitic faiths, including massacres and assassinations and burning people alive? And that those who suffer in these riots are predominantly Hindus, given that they not armed, and also given that when the government offers succour, Hindus are always the last to get any benefits?
(Actually, with one exception, only anti-Hindus tend to support Palestinians and not Israelis. One of the few dead giveaways I always found.)
Furthermore, it would be naive of someone with Shashi's intelligence to not see that he is striking at the very root of what makes India a viable nation. I have always been amazed at this 'Kalidasa Syndrome' -- the ability of the Indian chatterati to cut off the branch that they are sitting on. For, it is only because of Hindu tolerance and Hindu values that India is a halfway-viable country.
If this Hinduism were to vanish -- which the Congress and its governments have consistently done their utmost to do -- India would be far worse off. This is not conjecture: we have in front of us what happens to a territory when Hinduism is forcibly exterminated -- that is Exhibit A, Pakistan, the quintessential failed State and epicentre of terrorism, possibly the worst place in the world to live in, certainly if you are not of the ruling class, a Punjabi Mohammedan army officer in the ISI.
Surely, Shashi does not want India to be Pakistan?
The existing system of governance in India is completely antagonistic to Hindus, and seems to be intent on destroying Hinduism. For instance, there was the deliberate and premeditated murder of Swami Laxmananada in Orissa. This has been attributed to some apocryphal Maoists and dismissed as inconsequential, whereas it is clear that those who had the motive -- and who had attacked him previously -- were Christians.
Similarly, Hindu institutions are damaged with no compunctions. But they dare not speak about a Semitic entity. This was demonstrated in Kerala [Images] when the Devaswom minister (an abomination, by the way -- what happened to separation of Church and State?) kept making rude pronouncements about Hindus and Hindu temples like Sabarimala, and everybody thought this quite amusing. But when he made some mild criticism of the Christians, he was forced to eat his words and apologise abjectly.
Three weeks ago, the Adi Sankara temple in Kalady, Kerala, his birthplace, suffered a grievous attack: thieves broke into the sanctum sanctorum and stole a precious emerald Siva linga, which is valued at over Rs 1 crore simply as a gem, and is priceless as a religious artifact. Is Hindu religious sentiment hurt by this? Of course. But did a single English-language newspaper even report this? Of course not. But they thunder 'oppression' if the authorities ask that a Semitic cemetery be moved to widen a road.
Speaking of Adi Sankara -- one of the most important figures in Hinduism, and possibly the person most responsible for its revival in medieval times Kochi's airport was built in a village just a couple of miles away from Kalady. But when it was suggested that the airport should be named after him, the response from some was that it should be named after the beatified Agnese Gonxhe Bojaxhiu, alias M Teresa. Exactly what does the Albanian MT have to do with the area? Nothing whatsoever. It was a red herring. But a 'compromise' was 'worked out' so that the airport would not be named after anybody. The very legitimate Hindu claim was negated by an absurd counter-claim; moral: Hindu sentiments do not count.
(Common christian pattern.)
This sort of automatic knee-jerk derision for Hindu concerns has seen its nadir in the Rama Sethu case and the unbelievable calumny heaped upon the religion by the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, a partner of the Congress.
In all these cases, the Congress has always sided against the Hindus. The Congress government in Andhra Pradesh is openly supporting proselytisation, with the chief minister's son-in-law himself holding huge rallies to convert Hindus to some Christian cult.
This is secular? Of course not, it is openly communal and anti-secular. It is apartheid, oppression of a powerless numerical majority -- exactly what used to happen to blacks in South Africa [Images].
Shashi, and his children, went to college in America where there are no rules that forbid the majority Christians from owning colleges. But in India, the government actively hinders majority Hindus from owning educational institutions. Similarly, in America, where Shashi has spent most of his life, there is only one set of laws for all people, no separate laws for people of certain religions. Why would Shashi accept a uniform civil code in the US, but not the same in India?
I wish Shashi Tharoor would, in his columns and fiction, and in his political career, actively support the native civilisation of this land and recognise the value it has for the nation and the world.
There is one more thing. The Thiruvananthapuram constituency has been victimised by neglect and outright hostility in the recent past, especially by the Congress' imperious Tamil allies. A major development project to build up Vizhinjam as a container port has been stalled by UPA Transportation Minister T R Baalu, who thought Vizhinjam would hurt his pet port, Tuticorin. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://election.rediff.com/column/2009/apr...shi-tharoor.htm
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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> Why is Shashi the favourite of 10Janpath ?
by Vishvaksenah E on Apr 17, 2009 04:54 PM Permalink | Hide replies
<b>There were many aspirants for the Thiruvananthapuram Congress -I ticket.
But Shashi got it.
All were surprised how he managed it.
The reason told that he was personally selected by the Signorina.</b>
Why?
Simple.
<b>Shashi's spouse is from Europe.</b>
(And another similarity with Amartya Sen.)
He is a typical product of Macaulay's system of education. He is a perfect 'brown sahib' .
I usually endorse all of Rajeev Srinivasan's view points- lock stock and barrel.
But with regard to Shashi- Rajeev might wish Sahshi well and
might be "delighted about his candidacy".
But not me.
I wish Shashi all the worst and hope that he loses his deposit too.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Apparently Rajeev Srinivasan is related to someone called "Mallika Sarabhai":
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mallika Sarabhai, a very distant relative of mine by marriage, who is contesting from Gujarat. She seems to suffer from a James Dean syndrome: A rebel without a cause, just for the sake of being a rebel.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->A comment at http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/04/raj...i-tharoors.html says about her:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->mayankapatel said...
  Rajeev,
  I am surprised by your description of Mallika Sarabhai as 'rebel without cause'.
  She is part of fabian-stalinist establishment. In all her rabble rousing she is asking for more establishment and more extreme version of fabian-stalinism. Thus, She is not a rebel.
  BTW Thanks for coining this excellent term fabian-stalinism.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Who is she?
In spite of all of Amartya's opportunistic pouncing on the term 'Hindu', Amartya's wife is some dubious character from the west and, more importantly, his one-time girlfriend - as per Rudradev and others somewhere on IF - was one notorious anti-Hindu christian "Martha Nussbaum". IIRC martha wrote a piece on "Godhra riots: Hindus in the train got burnt spontaneously after they harrassed some muslim girl or a muslim tea vendor or something and then Hindus attacked the innocent muslims".
People describing themselves as Hindu are a dime a dozen. Some of them turn out to be anti-Hindus. Better to look at what *other* things they say and also what they do.
<!--QuoteBegin-Swamy G+Mar 26 2009, 02:34 AM-->QUOTE(Swamy G @ Mar 26 2009, 02:34 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Awwww, Bill Maher's program is great. I too read about some of his family members being interested in Sanskrit, Classical Malayalam etc. As long as there is a sincere respect for local traditions and culture things should hopefully be good.
[right][snapback]95778[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The new trend among catholics is parasitism: that everything Hindu is supposedly "secular" and hence theirs too (this is better explained by Ishwar Sharan).
Such 'interests' mean nothing, indicate nothing about what Tharoor is.
Let's leave it to the professional to clarify - Rajeev on Shashi. Turns out Shashi Tharoor is another anti-Hindu who opportunistically calls himself Hindu in public.
A large excerpt (rest at link):
http://election.rediff.com/column/2009/apr...shi-tharoor.htm
via http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/04/raj...i-tharoors.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>My dilemma with Shashi Tharoor</b>
Rajeev Srinivasan
April 13, 2009
Many readers may be aware that Shashi Tharoor [Images], former UN under secretary general and well-known writer, is a candidate for the Lok Sabha from the Thiruvananthapuram constituency, which happens to be my hometown.
[...]
Second, I am disturbed by some of Shashi's own opinions. <b>He has done his share of what I consider Hindu-bashing.</b> This distresses me, because I am sure he knows -- based on his experience with the UN high commissioner of refugees -- the extent of damage done to Hindus in the subcontinent. The wholesale massacres and ethnic cleansing of millions from the then-East Pakistan in 1971, the forced migration of 400,000 Kashmiri Pandits from their ancestral lands in 1989, the virtual disappearance of Hindus from Pakistan and Bangladesh -- the victims of oppression have been overwhelmingly Hindu.
Today, Sri Lankan Hindus are dying because of the reign of terror unleashed by a Christian-run terrorist group, the LTTE [Images]. Which, incidentally, is eerily similar to the so-called Maoists who terrorise Nepal and 180 districts of India: Circumstantial evidence suggests that they are aligned with and possibly funded by Christian missionaries, and that they owe their allegiance not to China, but to Christian cults.
In Malaysia, Hindu activists have protested severe repression, including forcible conversions and the destruction of scores of temples. In Fiji, there are frequent news reports of desecrations of Hindu temples. The United Progressive Alliance government has never supported any of these overseas Hindus, even though they are keen to ask for their money.
<b>Shashi makes it a point to clarify that he sympathises with the Palestinians.</b> But why does he refuse to be equally vocal in support of Kashmiri Pandits, rotting away in refugee camps 20 years after they were ethnically cleansed? Why does he write a book called Riot in which he squarely blames Hindus for religious riots when the record shows that practically every riot in India has been instigated by the belligerence of Semitic faiths, including massacres and assassinations and burning people alive? And that those who suffer in these riots are predominantly Hindus, given that they not armed, and also given that when the government offers succour, Hindus are always the last to get any benefits?
(Actually, with one exception, only anti-Hindus tend to support Palestinians and not Israelis. One of the few dead giveaways I always found.)
Furthermore, it would be naive of someone with Shashi's intelligence to not see that he is striking at the very root of what makes India a viable nation. I have always been amazed at this 'Kalidasa Syndrome' -- the ability of the Indian chatterati to cut off the branch that they are sitting on. For, it is only because of Hindu tolerance and Hindu values that India is a halfway-viable country.
If this Hinduism were to vanish -- which the Congress and its governments have consistently done their utmost to do -- India would be far worse off. This is not conjecture: we have in front of us what happens to a territory when Hinduism is forcibly exterminated -- that is Exhibit A, Pakistan, the quintessential failed State and epicentre of terrorism, possibly the worst place in the world to live in, certainly if you are not of the ruling class, a Punjabi Mohammedan army officer in the ISI.
Surely, Shashi does not want India to be Pakistan?
The existing system of governance in India is completely antagonistic to Hindus, and seems to be intent on destroying Hinduism. For instance, there was the deliberate and premeditated murder of Swami Laxmananada in Orissa. This has been attributed to some apocryphal Maoists and dismissed as inconsequential, whereas it is clear that those who had the motive -- and who had attacked him previously -- were Christians.
Similarly, Hindu institutions are damaged with no compunctions. But they dare not speak about a Semitic entity. This was demonstrated in Kerala [Images] when the Devaswom minister (an abomination, by the way -- what happened to separation of Church and State?) kept making rude pronouncements about Hindus and Hindu temples like Sabarimala, and everybody thought this quite amusing. But when he made some mild criticism of the Christians, he was forced to eat his words and apologise abjectly.
Three weeks ago, the Adi Sankara temple in Kalady, Kerala, his birthplace, suffered a grievous attack: thieves broke into the sanctum sanctorum and stole a precious emerald Siva linga, which is valued at over Rs 1 crore simply as a gem, and is priceless as a religious artifact. Is Hindu religious sentiment hurt by this? Of course. But did a single English-language newspaper even report this? Of course not. But they thunder 'oppression' if the authorities ask that a Semitic cemetery be moved to widen a road.
Speaking of Adi Sankara -- one of the most important figures in Hinduism, and possibly the person most responsible for its revival in medieval times Kochi's airport was built in a village just a couple of miles away from Kalady. But when it was suggested that the airport should be named after him, the response from some was that it should be named after the beatified Agnese Gonxhe Bojaxhiu, alias M Teresa. Exactly what does the Albanian MT have to do with the area? Nothing whatsoever. It was a red herring. But a 'compromise' was 'worked out' so that the airport would not be named after anybody. The very legitimate Hindu claim was negated by an absurd counter-claim; moral: Hindu sentiments do not count.
(Common christian pattern.)
This sort of automatic knee-jerk derision for Hindu concerns has seen its nadir in the Rama Sethu case and the unbelievable calumny heaped upon the religion by the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam, a partner of the Congress.
In all these cases, the Congress has always sided against the Hindus. The Congress government in Andhra Pradesh is openly supporting proselytisation, with the chief minister's son-in-law himself holding huge rallies to convert Hindus to some Christian cult.
This is secular? Of course not, it is openly communal and anti-secular. It is apartheid, oppression of a powerless numerical majority -- exactly what used to happen to blacks in South Africa [Images].
Shashi, and his children, went to college in America where there are no rules that forbid the majority Christians from owning colleges. But in India, the government actively hinders majority Hindus from owning educational institutions. Similarly, in America, where Shashi has spent most of his life, there is only one set of laws for all people, no separate laws for people of certain religions. Why would Shashi accept a uniform civil code in the US, but not the same in India?
I wish Shashi Tharoor would, in his columns and fiction, and in his political career, actively support the native civilisation of this land and recognise the value it has for the nation and the world.
There is one more thing. The Thiruvananthapuram constituency has been victimised by neglect and outright hostility in the recent past, especially by the Congress' imperious Tamil allies. A major development project to build up Vizhinjam as a container port has been stalled by UPA Transportation Minister T R Baalu, who thought Vizhinjam would hurt his pet port, Tuticorin. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://election.rediff.com/column/2009/apr...shi-tharoor.htm
First visible comment:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> Why is Shashi the favourite of 10Janpath ?
by Vishvaksenah E on Apr 17, 2009 04:54 PM Permalink | Hide replies
<b>There were many aspirants for the Thiruvananthapuram Congress -I ticket.
But Shashi got it.
All were surprised how he managed it.
The reason told that he was personally selected by the Signorina.</b>
Why?
Simple.
<b>Shashi's spouse is from Europe.</b>
(And another similarity with Amartya Sen.)
He is a typical product of Macaulay's system of education. He is a perfect 'brown sahib' .
I usually endorse all of Rajeev Srinivasan's view points- lock stock and barrel.
But with regard to Shashi- Rajeev might wish Sahshi well and
might be "delighted about his candidacy".
But not me.
I wish Shashi all the worst and hope that he loses his deposit too.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Apparently Rajeev Srinivasan is related to someone called "Mallika Sarabhai":
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mallika Sarabhai, a very distant relative of mine by marriage, who is contesting from Gujarat. She seems to suffer from a James Dean syndrome: A rebel without a cause, just for the sake of being a rebel.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->A comment at http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/04/raj...i-tharoors.html says about her:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->mayankapatel said...
  Rajeev,
  I am surprised by your description of Mallika Sarabhai as 'rebel without cause'.
  She is part of fabian-stalinist establishment. In all her rabble rousing she is asking for more establishment and more extreme version of fabian-stalinism. Thus, She is not a rebel.
  BTW Thanks for coining this excellent term fabian-stalinism.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Who is she?