Related to #419 on christoterrorist bishop Caldwell -
<b>Anyone know the SR Goel text referred to below in order to confirm/deny the following:</b>
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HkPage.aspx...EID=6091&SKIN=B
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>nathan
29/04/2008 01:05:54Â LTTE,DMK/DK/CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES</b>
LTTE,dmk,dk,vcp and missioneries
use tamil as their cover to fool people and try to destroy hinduism
for which they simply blame brahmins for no fault of them.if you read sita ram goel book on christian missionaries work during
british rule in india,cadwell who
was in down south on conversion had written to their head office in london,but for brahmins,he could have converted entire india to a christian country citing example that caste hindus in thiruchendur area near tuticorin told robert cadwell that if all brahmins in thiruchendur agree for conversion and belive jesus is the only god,they are ready to follow brahmins word and embrass
christianity.hence he could not convince them and wrote this letter to london missionaries about this incident.
past history shows that christians
attack is only on brahmins first so that they will be seperated from caste hindus to divide and rule hindus for easy conversion.
missionaries job is carried out by
their pimps like LTTE/DMK/DK who get money from them.they use tamil
as front cover to fool round hindus which they are not able to succeed as hindus in tamilnadu are feeling the heat now.time is not far away these guys would be defeated.chennai sangamam,devaram
song issue all was mooted by father jagath gaspar who is closer
to kanimozhi and her christian husband.money for above comes from missionaries abroad.one must closely moniter their sources of funds and support.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know of the case of Francis Xavier's encounter with Brahmanas. Is the above comment perhaps confusing Caldwell with Xavier? But it does not seem to be the exact same situation:
http://hamsa.org/coelho.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->There is a story that the first debate Francis Xavier had with Brahmins took place in the Tiruchendur Murugan Temple on the south coast of Tamil Nadu. He preached and they listened carefully. Then they laughed. They told him that his conception of God was immature and inadequate. God was beyond number and count, neither one nor three-in-one as he claimed. His idea that God had only one incarnation in history was absurd and served a selfish purpose, denying God to other nations and peoples. It placed unacceptable limitations on an all-powerful, all-pervasive, all-compassionate God. <b>Xavier left the temple courtyard in disgrace, to proselytize the helpless fishermen, and Brahmins became his feared, implacable enemy.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Of course the christoterrorist could only get Hindu fishermen by forcibly converting them:
http://www.hamsa.org/14.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Roman Catholic missionaries, headed by St. Francis Xavier,[39] were not only forcefully converting to their faith large numbers on the pearl--fishery coast ... but induced the fishermen to transfer their allegiance to the king of Portugal.... <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> http://hamsa.org/coelho.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->[39] In a letter to the Society of Jesus, quoted by Sita Ram Goel in St. <i>Francis Xavier: The Man and His Mission</i>, Xavier wrote, "Following the baptisms, the new Christians return to their homes and come back with their wives and families to be in their turn also prepared for baptism. After all have been baptized, I order that everywhere the temples of the false gods be pulled down and idols broken. I know not how to describe in words the joy I feel before the spectacle of pulling down and destroying the idols by the very people who formerly worshipped them.' <b>Xavier did this after the Hindu raja of Quilon had given him a large grant to build churches. In another letter he writes, 'There are in these parts among the pagans a class of men called Brahmins. They are as perverse and wicked a set as can anywhere be found, and to whom applies the Psalm which says: "From an unholy race, and wicked and crafty men, deliver me, Lord.' If it were not for the Brahmins, we should have all the heathens embracing our faith."</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> http://www.hamsa.org/14.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Francis Xavier was the pioneer of anti-Brahmanism which was adopted in due course as a major plank in the missionary propaganda by all Christian denominations. Lord Minto, Governor General of India from 1807 to 1812, submitted a Note to his superiors in London when the British Parliament was debating whether missionaries should be permitted in East India Companyâs domain under the Charter of 1813. He enclosed with his Note some âpropaganda material used by the missionariesâ and, referring to one missionary tract in particular, wrote: âThe remainder of this tract seems to aim principally at a general massacre of the Brahmanasâ (M. D. David (ed.), Western Colonialism in Asia and Christianity, Bombay, 1988, p. 85). Anti-Brahmanism has become the dominant theme in the speeches and writings of Indian secularists of all sorts. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Back to Caldwell. His psychology shows a reactionary state as well. The following is listed as being from Michel Danino's "The Invasion (Aryan) that never was":
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Caldwell, finally had a strong anti-Brahmin bias (something, again, non-existent in Tamil literature or tradition), and affirmed that "few Brahmans have written (in Tamil) anything worthy of preservation - a crudely false statement when Brahmins (and non brahmins alike) have composed so much devotional literature in Tamil. <b>This "brahminophobia" makes perfect sense, however, if we remember that Caldwell was first and foremost a missionary (he prefaced the second edition of his book from the "Office of the Society for the Propagation of the Gospel" in London), and that missionaries always considered Brahmins as the greatest stumbling block to India's Christianisation.</b>
Once again, the Aryan invasion theory refused to be confined to dusty academic studies and lecture halls. Caldwell's theories were lapped up by more and more scholars, and finally by the "Dravidian movement" launched by E.V. Ramaswamy Naicker. Not only was the teaching and study of Sanskrit starved and discouraged in Tamilnadu to break its "hegemony", there was also (mostly in the 1940s and 1950s) a drive to "cleanse" the Tamil language of its large Sanskrit vocabulary.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Caldwell's hatred of Brahmanas seems to parallel Xavier's. Is there a similar event of attempted-but-failed conversion from which Caldwell derived his hatred? And the top-down conversion pattern (targetting royalty or religious order for conversion, so the christianisation can cascade down) is the first pattern they always attempt. Christians all have one psychology: hate the inconvertibles, propagandise against them and try to genocide them. (E.g. Jews) Caldwell's whole dravidian invention and exclusion of Tamizh Brahmanas from Tamizh, and separation of Samskritam words seem to have found their origin in this hatred. Else why would he infuse his hatred into his 'scientific' book:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Caldwell
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Throughout his book Comparative Study of the South Indian or Dravidian family of Languages, Caldwell accuses Brahmins of spreading lies and of not practising what they preach.[17]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<b>Anyone know the SR Goel text referred to below in order to confirm/deny the following:</b>
http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HkPage.aspx...EID=6091&SKIN=B
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>nathan
29/04/2008 01:05:54Â LTTE,DMK/DK/CHRISTIAN MISSIONARIES</b>
LTTE,dmk,dk,vcp and missioneries
use tamil as their cover to fool people and try to destroy hinduism
for which they simply blame brahmins for no fault of them.if you read sita ram goel book on christian missionaries work during
british rule in india,cadwell who
was in down south on conversion had written to their head office in london,but for brahmins,he could have converted entire india to a christian country citing example that caste hindus in thiruchendur area near tuticorin told robert cadwell that if all brahmins in thiruchendur agree for conversion and belive jesus is the only god,they are ready to follow brahmins word and embrass
christianity.hence he could not convince them and wrote this letter to london missionaries about this incident.
past history shows that christians
attack is only on brahmins first so that they will be seperated from caste hindus to divide and rule hindus for easy conversion.
missionaries job is carried out by
their pimps like LTTE/DMK/DK who get money from them.they use tamil
as front cover to fool round hindus which they are not able to succeed as hindus in tamilnadu are feeling the heat now.time is not far away these guys would be defeated.chennai sangamam,devaram
song issue all was mooted by father jagath gaspar who is closer
to kanimozhi and her christian husband.money for above comes from missionaries abroad.one must closely moniter their sources of funds and support.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I know of the case of Francis Xavier's encounter with Brahmanas. Is the above comment perhaps confusing Caldwell with Xavier? But it does not seem to be the exact same situation:
http://hamsa.org/coelho.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->There is a story that the first debate Francis Xavier had with Brahmins took place in the Tiruchendur Murugan Temple on the south coast of Tamil Nadu. He preached and they listened carefully. Then they laughed. They told him that his conception of God was immature and inadequate. God was beyond number and count, neither one nor three-in-one as he claimed. His idea that God had only one incarnation in history was absurd and served a selfish purpose, denying God to other nations and peoples. It placed unacceptable limitations on an all-powerful, all-pervasive, all-compassionate God. <b>Xavier left the temple courtyard in disgrace, to proselytize the helpless fishermen, and Brahmins became his feared, implacable enemy.</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Of course the christoterrorist could only get Hindu fishermen by forcibly converting them:
http://www.hamsa.org/14.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Roman Catholic missionaries, headed by St. Francis Xavier,[39] were not only forcefully converting to their faith large numbers on the pearl--fishery coast ... but induced the fishermen to transfer their allegiance to the king of Portugal.... <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> http://hamsa.org/coelho.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->[39] In a letter to the Society of Jesus, quoted by Sita Ram Goel in St. <i>Francis Xavier: The Man and His Mission</i>, Xavier wrote, "Following the baptisms, the new Christians return to their homes and come back with their wives and families to be in their turn also prepared for baptism. After all have been baptized, I order that everywhere the temples of the false gods be pulled down and idols broken. I know not how to describe in words the joy I feel before the spectacle of pulling down and destroying the idols by the very people who formerly worshipped them.' <b>Xavier did this after the Hindu raja of Quilon had given him a large grant to build churches. In another letter he writes, 'There are in these parts among the pagans a class of men called Brahmins. They are as perverse and wicked a set as can anywhere be found, and to whom applies the Psalm which says: "From an unholy race, and wicked and crafty men, deliver me, Lord.' If it were not for the Brahmins, we should have all the heathens embracing our faith."</b><!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--> http://www.hamsa.org/14.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Francis Xavier was the pioneer of anti-Brahmanism which was adopted in due course as a major plank in the missionary propaganda by all Christian denominations. Lord Minto, Governor General of India from 1807 to 1812, submitted a Note to his superiors in London when the British Parliament was debating whether missionaries should be permitted in East India Companyâs domain under the Charter of 1813. He enclosed with his Note some âpropaganda material used by the missionariesâ and, referring to one missionary tract in particular, wrote: âThe remainder of this tract seems to aim principally at a general massacre of the Brahmanasâ (M. D. David (ed.), Western Colonialism in Asia and Christianity, Bombay, 1988, p. 85). Anti-Brahmanism has become the dominant theme in the speeches and writings of Indian secularists of all sorts. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Back to Caldwell. His psychology shows a reactionary state as well. The following is listed as being from Michel Danino's "The Invasion (Aryan) that never was":
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Caldwell, finally had a strong anti-Brahmin bias (something, again, non-existent in Tamil literature or tradition), and affirmed that "few Brahmans have written (in Tamil) anything worthy of preservation - a crudely false statement when Brahmins (and non brahmins alike) have composed so much devotional literature in Tamil. <b>This "brahminophobia" makes perfect sense, however, if we remember that Caldwell was first and foremost a missionary (he prefaced the second edition of his book from the "Office of the Society for the Propagation of the Gospel" in London), and that missionaries always considered Brahmins as the greatest stumbling block to India's Christianisation.</b>
Once again, the Aryan invasion theory refused to be confined to dusty academic studies and lecture halls. Caldwell's theories were lapped up by more and more scholars, and finally by the "Dravidian movement" launched by E.V. Ramaswamy Naicker. Not only was the teaching and study of Sanskrit starved and discouraged in Tamilnadu to break its "hegemony", there was also (mostly in the 1940s and 1950s) a drive to "cleanse" the Tamil language of its large Sanskrit vocabulary.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Caldwell's hatred of Brahmanas seems to parallel Xavier's. Is there a similar event of attempted-but-failed conversion from which Caldwell derived his hatred? And the top-down conversion pattern (targetting royalty or religious order for conversion, so the christianisation can cascade down) is the first pattern they always attempt. Christians all have one psychology: hate the inconvertibles, propagandise against them and try to genocide them. (E.g. Jews) Caldwell's whole dravidian invention and exclusion of Tamizh Brahmanas from Tamizh, and separation of Samskritam words seem to have found their origin in this hatred. Else why would he infuse his hatred into his 'scientific' book:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Caldwell
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Throughout his book Comparative Study of the South Indian or Dravidian family of Languages, Caldwell accuses Brahmins of spreading lies and of not practising what they preach.[17]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->