<!--QuoteBegin-rajesh_g+Feb 15 2009, 02:17 AM-->QUOTE(rajesh_g @ Feb 15 2009, 02:17 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Shambhu+Feb 14 2009, 09:12 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Shambhu @ Feb 14 2009, 09:12 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Piglet goes not believe in V day
http://sarvesamachar.com/click_frameset.ph...dhi%2F423559%2F
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<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[...]This statement is very interesting and needs to be noticed. Consider Rahul Gandhi - scion of Gandhi parivar, heir to the throne, darling of the "young masses", son of a foreign mom, Milliband-friend, more agitprop then leadership guy is saying..
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't believe in Valentine's Day: Rahul Gandhi<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To me this means that even Rahul Gandhi, darling of the masses is still taking a social-conservative stance. It means that there is a significant vote-share for social-conservatism in India.[right][snapback]94593[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->"This statement is very interesting and needs to be noticed."
Yes, it ought to be noted but for different reasons.
It means Raoul John Paul Gandhi is just being a good catholic and more aware of catholicism/christianism than many another christian in India (well, he is a proper Italian christian after all - albeit with some Indian ancestry).
St valentine's day is no longer officially recognised by the catholic church as a festival day (and st valentine is no longer on the church's saints list). He is but repeating the current catechism on this.
In 1969, the catholic church publicly admitted St Valentine (and many other saints) never existed:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/B3a.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->40 non-existent saints were removed from veneration by Pope Paul VI in 1969, such as Christopher, <b>Valentine</b>, Anastasia and Barbara. See: <i>The Incredible Book of Vatican Facts and Papal Curiosities: A Treasury of Trivia</i> by Nino Lo Bello.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/02/how...-democracy.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Non Carborundum said...</b>
  Rahul Gandhi does not believe in Valentine's day.
  http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/I-...-Gandhi/423559/
  But why would he say that? Answer - "the universal Catholic Church no longer officially honors St. Valentine".
  http://www.americancatholic.org/Features/V...Day/default.asp
  2/14/2009 7:49 AM<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The link goes to the <b>american catholics site</b> where there is a link to their page on st valentine's day. What the otherwise-lying catholic church *will* publicly admit to is here (they're still ashamed of reiterating how st valentine never existed, but that is already official):
http://www.americancatholic.org/Features/V...Day/origins.asp
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>The Catholic Church no longer officially honors St. Valentine, but the holiday has both Roman and Catholic roots.
</b>
The Origins of St. Valentineâs Day
A quick quiz: St. Valentine was:
  a) a priest in the Roman Empire who helped persecuted Christians during the reign of Claudius II, was thrown in jail and later beheaded on Feb. 14.
  b) a Catholic bishop of Terni who was beheaded, also during the reign of Claudius II.
  c) someone who secretly married couples when marriage was forbidden, or suffered in Africa, or wrote letters to his jailer's daughter, and was probably beheaded.
  d) all, some, or possibly none of the above.
If you guessed d), give yourself a box of chocolates. Although the mid-February holiday celebrating love and lovers remains wildly popular, <b>the confusion over its origins led the Catholic Church, in 1969, to drop St. Valentine's Day from the Roman calendar of official, worldwide Catholic feasts.</b> (Those highly sought-after days are reserved for saints with more clear historical record. After all, the saints are real individuals for us to imitate.) Some parishes, however, observe the feast of St. Valentine.
The roots of St. Valentine's Day lie in the ancient Roman festival of Lupercalia, which was celebrated on Feb. 15. For 800 years the Romans had dedicated this day to the god Lupercus. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
About the real Roman religious festival of Lupercalia:
http://nobeliefs.com/Lupercalia-day.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Happy Lupercalia's Day!</b>
<b>Valentine's Day derives from a Christianized version of a pagan holiday. Just as the Christians stole Christmas and Easter, from the pagans, they took this celibration from the Roman pagans.</b>
If you do not adhere to Christology, then why would you want to celebrate to the name of a Catholic Saint who had nothing to do with the original festival?
The name "Valentine" comes from one of two Christian martyrs of the 3rd century. One describes a Roman Christian martyred during the persecution of Claudis II, the other, a bishop of Terni who got martyred in Rome. (Most Christian celebrations have a preoccupation with death and martyrdom.) There occurs several versions of the Christian legend but no one knows the truth for sure. Probably at least one of them did live and died, but we have little else to go on. But the celebration of giving notes and gifts to loved ones began long before the Christian version and no doubts exist about its historical practice.
(It's been nearly 50 yrs since holy monopoly roman church dropped valentine from its saints list.)
In pre-Christian Rome, people celebrated "Valentine's day" as Lupercalia, a Roman holiday that took place during the ides of February (the 15th). They believed that the <b>goddess Juno Februata (where the name February comes from)</b> inflicted her "love fever" on the young and unwary. The fertility festival of Lupercalia (in honor of the pastoral god Lupercus) involved an orgy and sexual excesses. Young men drew small "love notes" from a container composed by eligible young women. The men socialized with the women and attempted to guess who composed the note they had drawn. In this way, the festival brought young men and women together as sexual partners.
For years the Christian church tried to suppress the festival of Lupercalia. Interestingly, the Church did not object to the festival for its love celebrations but for the pagan beliefs that rejected the Christian god. <b>In 496 C.E., Pope Gelasius changed Lupercalia from the 15th to the 14th and renamed it after the legendary St. Valentine in an attempt to stop the pagan celebration. </b>Gelasius had hoped people would emulate the lives of saints. Even after the Church replaced Lupercus with St. Valentine and recast Cupid into a cherub, the Lupercalia festival continues much as it had before, but without the sexual excesses. The change of the name and the day of celebration serves as the only "contribution" that Christians brought to Valentine's day.
To this day, men and women send love notes to each other. And in elementary schools across the country, children still put concealed notes or gifts in a box much as the ancient Romans did. So the idea of Valentine's Day did not come from Christianity, but from the "heretic" Romans. Praise Juno!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Juno is the Roman name for the Greek Olympic Goddess Hera, who presides over home, marriage, family and motherhood - she is often represented by the cow.
Yes, praise to Hera (Juno) and happy Lupercalia day to all (traditional Roman) couples then.
http://sarvesamachar.com/click_frameset.ph...dhi%2F423559%2F
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<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->[...]This statement is very interesting and needs to be noticed. Consider Rahul Gandhi - scion of Gandhi parivar, heir to the throne, darling of the "young masses", son of a foreign mom, Milliband-friend, more agitprop then leadership guy is saying..
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't believe in Valentine's Day: Rahul Gandhi<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
To me this means that even Rahul Gandhi, darling of the masses is still taking a social-conservative stance. It means that there is a significant vote-share for social-conservatism in India.[right][snapback]94593[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->"This statement is very interesting and needs to be noticed."
Yes, it ought to be noted but for different reasons.
It means Raoul John Paul Gandhi is just being a good catholic and more aware of catholicism/christianism than many another christian in India (well, he is a proper Italian christian after all - albeit with some Indian ancestry).
St valentine's day is no longer officially recognised by the catholic church as a festival day (and st valentine is no longer on the church's saints list). He is but repeating the current catechism on this.
In 1969, the catholic church publicly admitted St Valentine (and many other saints) never existed:
http://freetruth.50webs.org/B3a.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->40 non-existent saints were removed from veneration by Pope Paul VI in 1969, such as Christopher, <b>Valentine</b>, Anastasia and Barbara. See: <i>The Incredible Book of Vatican Facts and Papal Curiosities: A Treasury of Trivia</i> by Nino Lo Bello.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2009/02/how...-democracy.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Non Carborundum said...</b>
  Rahul Gandhi does not believe in Valentine's day.
  http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/I-...-Gandhi/423559/
  But why would he say that? Answer - "the universal Catholic Church no longer officially honors St. Valentine".
  http://www.americancatholic.org/Features/V...Day/default.asp
  2/14/2009 7:49 AM<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The link goes to the <b>american catholics site</b> where there is a link to their page on st valentine's day. What the otherwise-lying catholic church *will* publicly admit to is here (they're still ashamed of reiterating how st valentine never existed, but that is already official):
http://www.americancatholic.org/Features/V...Day/origins.asp
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>The Catholic Church no longer officially honors St. Valentine, but the holiday has both Roman and Catholic roots.
</b>
The Origins of St. Valentineâs Day
A quick quiz: St. Valentine was:
  a) a priest in the Roman Empire who helped persecuted Christians during the reign of Claudius II, was thrown in jail and later beheaded on Feb. 14.
  b) a Catholic bishop of Terni who was beheaded, also during the reign of Claudius II.
  c) someone who secretly married couples when marriage was forbidden, or suffered in Africa, or wrote letters to his jailer's daughter, and was probably beheaded.
  d) all, some, or possibly none of the above.
If you guessed d), give yourself a box of chocolates. Although the mid-February holiday celebrating love and lovers remains wildly popular, <b>the confusion over its origins led the Catholic Church, in 1969, to drop St. Valentine's Day from the Roman calendar of official, worldwide Catholic feasts.</b> (Those highly sought-after days are reserved for saints with more clear historical record. After all, the saints are real individuals for us to imitate.) Some parishes, however, observe the feast of St. Valentine.
The roots of St. Valentine's Day lie in the ancient Roman festival of Lupercalia, which was celebrated on Feb. 15. For 800 years the Romans had dedicated this day to the god Lupercus. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
About the real Roman religious festival of Lupercalia:
http://nobeliefs.com/Lupercalia-day.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Happy Lupercalia's Day!</b>
<b>Valentine's Day derives from a Christianized version of a pagan holiday. Just as the Christians stole Christmas and Easter, from the pagans, they took this celibration from the Roman pagans.</b>
If you do not adhere to Christology, then why would you want to celebrate to the name of a Catholic Saint who had nothing to do with the original festival?
The name "Valentine" comes from one of two Christian martyrs of the 3rd century. One describes a Roman Christian martyred during the persecution of Claudis II, the other, a bishop of Terni who got martyred in Rome. (Most Christian celebrations have a preoccupation with death and martyrdom.) There occurs several versions of the Christian legend but no one knows the truth for sure. Probably at least one of them did live and died, but we have little else to go on. But the celebration of giving notes and gifts to loved ones began long before the Christian version and no doubts exist about its historical practice.
(It's been nearly 50 yrs since holy monopoly roman church dropped valentine from its saints list.)
In pre-Christian Rome, people celebrated "Valentine's day" as Lupercalia, a Roman holiday that took place during the ides of February (the 15th). They believed that the <b>goddess Juno Februata (where the name February comes from)</b> inflicted her "love fever" on the young and unwary. The fertility festival of Lupercalia (in honor of the pastoral god Lupercus) involved an orgy and sexual excesses. Young men drew small "love notes" from a container composed by eligible young women. The men socialized with the women and attempted to guess who composed the note they had drawn. In this way, the festival brought young men and women together as sexual partners.
For years the Christian church tried to suppress the festival of Lupercalia. Interestingly, the Church did not object to the festival for its love celebrations but for the pagan beliefs that rejected the Christian god. <b>In 496 C.E., Pope Gelasius changed Lupercalia from the 15th to the 14th and renamed it after the legendary St. Valentine in an attempt to stop the pagan celebration. </b>Gelasius had hoped people would emulate the lives of saints. Even after the Church replaced Lupercus with St. Valentine and recast Cupid into a cherub, the Lupercalia festival continues much as it had before, but without the sexual excesses. The change of the name and the day of celebration serves as the only "contribution" that Christians brought to Valentine's day.
To this day, men and women send love notes to each other. And in elementary schools across the country, children still put concealed notes or gifts in a box much as the ancient Romans did. So the idea of Valentine's Day did not come from Christianity, but from the "heretic" Romans. Praise Juno!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Juno is the Roman name for the Greek Olympic Goddess Hera, who presides over home, marriage, family and motherhood - she is often represented by the cow.
Yes, praise to Hera (Juno) and happy Lupercalia day to all (traditional Roman) couples then.
Death to traitors.