See K.Ram's very important post #212
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Nov 15 2008, 01:15 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Nov 15 2008, 01:15 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, fear is a good driver of dharma too. It is one of the bhAva-s in bhakti through which too iShTa can be realized. In upAsanA mArga, there is <b>method called bhrAmarI-sAdhanA, where devotee</b> continuously lives in perpetual fear of one's iShTa, evetually becoming one with iShTa himself. Well, more explicit things can be said on basis of shAstra-s as well as practical tradition,[right][snapback]90167[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->In your explanation it comes across as a willing choice on the bhakta's part to follow this method. I accept that there <i>may</i> be as many means to reach Bhagavan as there are Natural Traditionalists. Whatever individuals choose to do in their personal lives and which concerns only themselves - whether or not I agree with it - is not my business. However, imposing the 'fear of gawd' on another person, as christianists do on their own sheep, <i>is</i> wrong.
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Nov 15 2008, 01:15 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Nov 15 2008, 01:15 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Nov 15 2008, 10:21 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Husky @ Nov 15 2008, 10:21 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The way I learnt[right][snapback]90167[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Now we know! <!--emo&
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[right][snapback]90180[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Don't you even <i>think</i> of ever using the info against me, Bodhi <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> I wrote that paragraph - in spite of it being rather compromising to my person - since there are people here with kids. It was the intention that if they recognised the same pattern of behaviour in any of their kids, they'll consider taking their children to grandparents to enjoy the latter's softening influence.
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Nov 15 2008, 01:15 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Nov 15 2008, 01:15 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Well, fear is a good driver of dharma too. It is one of the bhAva-s in bhakti through which too iShTa can be realized. In upAsanA mArga, there is <b>method called bhrAmarI-sAdhanA, where devotee</b> continuously lives in perpetual fear of one's iShTa, evetually becoming one with iShTa himself. Well, more explicit things can be said on basis of shAstra-s as well as practical tradition,[right][snapback]90167[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->In your explanation it comes across as a willing choice on the bhakta's part to follow this method. I accept that there <i>may</i> be as many means to reach Bhagavan as there are Natural Traditionalists. Whatever individuals choose to do in their personal lives and which concerns only themselves - whether or not I agree with it - is not my business. However, imposing the 'fear of gawd' on another person, as christianists do on their own sheep, <i>is</i> wrong.
<!--QuoteBegin-Bodhi+Nov 15 2008, 01:15 PM-->QUOTE(Bodhi @ Nov 15 2008, 01:15 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Husky+Nov 15 2008, 10:21 AM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Husky @ Nov 15 2008, 10:21 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The way I learnt[right][snapback]90167[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Now we know! <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--emo&--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tongue.gif' /><!--endemo-->[right][snapback]90180[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Don't you even <i>think</i> of ever using the info against me, Bodhi <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> I wrote that paragraph - in spite of it being rather compromising to my person - since there are people here with kids. It was the intention that if they recognised the same pattern of behaviour in any of their kids, they'll consider taking their children to grandparents to enjoy the latter's softening influence.
Death to traitors.