<!--QuoteBegin-acharya+May 8 2008, 06:44 AM-->QUOTE(acharya @ May 8 2008, 06:44 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->CONVERGENCE NOT CONVERSION:RELIGIOUS UNITY IN INDIA
By Nick Gier, Professor Emeritus, University of Idaho
(ngier@uidaho.edu), first published in
Moscow-Pullman Daily News, October 29, 1999
It appears that most of India's 24 million Christians do not want American Baptists to pray for the conversion of their Hindu compatriots. Christian leaders here in India are dismayed about the publication of a pamphlet by the Southern Baptist Convention calling on their members to pray that Hindus "realize the darkness of their souls."
Nimrod Christian, head of India's Methodists, declared that "the pamphlet's language is objectionable and unfair. One cannot preach by annoying others." <b>Valson Thampu</b>, chairman of the Christian Theological Institute, said: "I particularly object to the insensitive language of the pamphlet."[right][snapback]81346[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It can't be. Is Nick Gier talking about <i>The</i> Valson Thampu, the infamous reverend, the one who has illegally occupied St Stephen's college? See www.ibnlive.com/news/st-stephens-college-row-thampus-appointment-illegal/57766-3.html "St Stephen's College row: Thampu's appointment illegal" (the same St Stephen's college which under Thampu's guidance had tried to put Christians First even though the college is funded by general Indian tax-payers' money...)
Because if it is the same dude then, Oh dear, who will break it to Nick Gier: He has made a major - as in HUGE - error in picking rev Valson Thampu as example of an "Indian christian who doesn't want Baptist christians to use objectionable language against others". By 'others', Hindus are particularly alluded to here, as is apparent in the above quoteblock itself.
Here is Francois Gautier on who the christoterrorist Valson Thampu of St Stephens is (thanks to K.Ram, Viren, Mudy and I think the captain for posting this on IF):
http://www.francoisgautier.com/Written%20M...tian-india.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One should add that the majority of politicians in Sonia Gandhi's closed circle are either Christians or Muslims. She seems to have no confidence in Hindus.Ambika Soni, a Christian, is General Secretary of the Congress and a very powerful person, with close access to Sonia Gandhi. Oscar Fernandes is Union Programme Implementation Minister. Margaret Alwa is the eminence grise of Maharasthra. Karnataka is virtually controlled by AK Anthony, whose secretaries are all from the Southern Christian association. <b>Valson Thampu, a Hindu hater</b>, is Chairman NCERT curriculum Review Committee, John Dayal, another known Hindu baiter, has been named by Sonia Gandhi in the National Integration Council ; and Kancha Ilaya, who hates Hindus, is being allowed by the Indian Government to lobby with the UN and US Congress so that caste discrimination in India is taken-up by these bodies.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->As Francois Gautier reveals elsewhere (copy at http://www.hinduwisdom.info/articles_hinduism/270.htm ) The Valson Thampu wrote "Harvest of Hate: Gujarat Under Siege" - the christoislami take on "what happened in Gujarat". Gautier writes about its contents - which turn out to be very predictable:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->a deserving attempt at recording in exacting details the plight of Muslims at the hands of raging Hindus during the violence.Â
However, it is not exactly balanced: The first mention of the burning of the Sabarmati Express, which after all triggered the whole thing, only comes on page 37, merely giving the Muslim version of the story: "The so-called kar-sevaks ordered tea from the Muslim vendors and forced them to shout 'Jai Shri Ram', before serving the tea; and those who refused to oblige would be roughed-up." <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Of course the take on Gujarat, given by the christo Thampu, was co-authored with christoislam's great friend and helper on the inside, the famous openly-declared communist and anti-Hindu Swarmy Uglyface. (Though some may have heard of him under the beguiling name of 'Swami Agnivesh'.) The article http://www.hinduwisdom.info/articles_hinduism/270.htm is mainly Francois Gautier expressing doubts about the hinduness of the anti-Hindu Uglyface, using his connections with notorious Hindu baiter Valson Thampu to make his case. Many Hindus already know about that communiterrorist Uglyface Agnivesh is no Hindu but a hyper-dubious character - it's apparently been in the open since 1994:
http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/19...2-14.shtml
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Arya Samaj is warning members in India and abroad "to be careful against some disruptive forces in the organization." General Secretary Sachidanand Shastri says Shri Kailash Nath Singh, Swami Agnivesh and Indravesh were expelled "some years back on charges of corruption and indiscipline," adding that published reports of their election to the Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha are untrue. He calls it a "dirty game" aimed at grabbing Arya Samaj properties and destabilizing the Sarvadeshik Sabha. Legal action has been promised.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But I digress, we were on <i>The</i> Valson Thampu, who regularly makes anti-Hindu speeches and writes similarly-themed tirades in order to provide extra literary/vocal support for the anti-Hindu christian media in India which operates on the christoislamicommunist principle that "a lie often repeated may convince people that it is the truth instead". (And Indian christoterrorists in the media regularly come out in support for their jihadi islamic brethren after terrorist attacks, just like Thampu did on the matter of the Godhra train burning by championing the perpetrators' exposed lies.)
Here we see Rajeev2004 describing The Valson Thampu:
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/03/the...-insult-to.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->i have been observing him attack hinduism for years<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->So there you have it: his character is quite an open book it seems. Everyone knows The Valson Thampu, the guy known particularly for his anti-Hinduism.
Therefore I sure hope for the sake of Nick Gier's future-credibility that the Valson Thampu guy he's referring to isn't the same christoterrorist as the one famous for his Hindu-baiting. And if it was the same dude after all, it would not be anything special, not the first such event, but just another example of how no one can trust christianity's deluded followers: They often say one thing for the public (media) and do another when terrorising Hindus. After all, flowery words of protestation against Amerikkkan baptists coupled with the two-faced christo-inspired scheming against Hindus in affairs localised to India are not mutually exclusive occurrences in the life of a famous reverend/christopriest in India.
By Nick Gier, Professor Emeritus, University of Idaho
(ngier@uidaho.edu), first published in
Moscow-Pullman Daily News, October 29, 1999
It appears that most of India's 24 million Christians do not want American Baptists to pray for the conversion of their Hindu compatriots. Christian leaders here in India are dismayed about the publication of a pamphlet by the Southern Baptist Convention calling on their members to pray that Hindus "realize the darkness of their souls."
Nimrod Christian, head of India's Methodists, declared that "the pamphlet's language is objectionable and unfair. One cannot preach by annoying others." <b>Valson Thampu</b>, chairman of the Christian Theological Institute, said: "I particularly object to the insensitive language of the pamphlet."[right][snapback]81346[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->It can't be. Is Nick Gier talking about <i>The</i> Valson Thampu, the infamous reverend, the one who has illegally occupied St Stephen's college? See www.ibnlive.com/news/st-stephens-college-row-thampus-appointment-illegal/57766-3.html "St Stephen's College row: Thampu's appointment illegal" (the same St Stephen's college which under Thampu's guidance had tried to put Christians First even though the college is funded by general Indian tax-payers' money...)
Because if it is the same dude then, Oh dear, who will break it to Nick Gier: He has made a major - as in HUGE - error in picking rev Valson Thampu as example of an "Indian christian who doesn't want Baptist christians to use objectionable language against others". By 'others', Hindus are particularly alluded to here, as is apparent in the above quoteblock itself.
Here is Francois Gautier on who the christoterrorist Valson Thampu of St Stephens is (thanks to K.Ram, Viren, Mudy and I think the captain for posting this on IF):
http://www.francoisgautier.com/Written%20M...tian-india.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One should add that the majority of politicians in Sonia Gandhi's closed circle are either Christians or Muslims. She seems to have no confidence in Hindus.Ambika Soni, a Christian, is General Secretary of the Congress and a very powerful person, with close access to Sonia Gandhi. Oscar Fernandes is Union Programme Implementation Minister. Margaret Alwa is the eminence grise of Maharasthra. Karnataka is virtually controlled by AK Anthony, whose secretaries are all from the Southern Christian association. <b>Valson Thampu, a Hindu hater</b>, is Chairman NCERT curriculum Review Committee, John Dayal, another known Hindu baiter, has been named by Sonia Gandhi in the National Integration Council ; and Kancha Ilaya, who hates Hindus, is being allowed by the Indian Government to lobby with the UN and US Congress so that caste discrimination in India is taken-up by these bodies.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->As Francois Gautier reveals elsewhere (copy at http://www.hinduwisdom.info/articles_hinduism/270.htm ) The Valson Thampu wrote "Harvest of Hate: Gujarat Under Siege" - the christoislami take on "what happened in Gujarat". Gautier writes about its contents - which turn out to be very predictable:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->a deserving attempt at recording in exacting details the plight of Muslims at the hands of raging Hindus during the violence.Â
However, it is not exactly balanced: The first mention of the burning of the Sabarmati Express, which after all triggered the whole thing, only comes on page 37, merely giving the Muslim version of the story: "The so-called kar-sevaks ordered tea from the Muslim vendors and forced them to shout 'Jai Shri Ram', before serving the tea; and those who refused to oblige would be roughed-up." <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Of course the take on Gujarat, given by the christo Thampu, was co-authored with christoislam's great friend and helper on the inside, the famous openly-declared communist and anti-Hindu Swarmy Uglyface. (Though some may have heard of him under the beguiling name of 'Swami Agnivesh'.) The article http://www.hinduwisdom.info/articles_hinduism/270.htm is mainly Francois Gautier expressing doubts about the hinduness of the anti-Hindu Uglyface, using his connections with notorious Hindu baiter Valson Thampu to make his case. Many Hindus already know about that communiterrorist Uglyface Agnivesh is no Hindu but a hyper-dubious character - it's apparently been in the open since 1994:
http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/19...2-14.shtml
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Arya Samaj is warning members in India and abroad "to be careful against some disruptive forces in the organization." General Secretary Sachidanand Shastri says Shri Kailash Nath Singh, Swami Agnivesh and Indravesh were expelled "some years back on charges of corruption and indiscipline," adding that published reports of their election to the Sarvadeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha are untrue. He calls it a "dirty game" aimed at grabbing Arya Samaj properties and destabilizing the Sarvadeshik Sabha. Legal action has been promised.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But I digress, we were on <i>The</i> Valson Thampu, who regularly makes anti-Hindu speeches and writes similarly-themed tirades in order to provide extra literary/vocal support for the anti-Hindu christian media in India which operates on the christoislamicommunist principle that "a lie often repeated may convince people that it is the truth instead". (And Indian christoterrorists in the media regularly come out in support for their jihadi islamic brethren after terrorist attacks, just like Thampu did on the matter of the Godhra train burning by championing the perpetrators' exposed lies.)
Here we see Rajeev2004 describing The Valson Thampu:
http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2008/03/the...-insult-to.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->i have been observing him attack hinduism for years<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->So there you have it: his character is quite an open book it seems. Everyone knows The Valson Thampu, the guy known particularly for his anti-Hinduism.
Therefore I sure hope for the sake of Nick Gier's future-credibility that the Valson Thampu guy he's referring to isn't the same christoterrorist as the one famous for his Hindu-baiting. And if it was the same dude after all, it would not be anything special, not the first such event, but just another example of how no one can trust christianity's deluded followers: They often say one thing for the public (media) and do another when terrorising Hindus. After all, flowery words of protestation against Amerikkkan baptists coupled with the two-faced christo-inspired scheming against Hindus in affairs localised to India are not mutually exclusive occurrences in the life of a famous reverend/christopriest in India.