08-04-2004, 07:41 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->" Verily, this entire (world) is the Absolute (brahm). Tranquil, one should worship It (through), for one comes forth from It. " ---- From " atributetohinduism.com"
I presume the author of the website obtained tha above quote from upanishads. I dont know the exact source.
1. When and why does atma seperate from paramatma?
2. Moksha is Union of atma and paramatma. If this is correct, is there a possibility that atma will seperate from paramatma again? If there is no possibility of that happening, why?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hello Murali, you are indeed right that the statement above could be taken from the Upanishads. However, I would like to differ a bit with the author (Thomas Berry) in one aspect. I would not interpret <b>this entire</b> as just the world. This Entire means, THIS ENTIRE. Everything that can be imagined, and beyond. That which can be perceived and beyond, That which is beyond all laws cause and effect. The original sentense would be "Verily, all this is Brahman".
The Source of Upanishads are the Vedas. The Source of Vedas is the Cosmic Intelligence itself (hence it's called Apaurusheya - not created by humans.) Some claim that the Rishis had written the Vedas. But Knowledge is not born on the day it is documented. Laws of Gravity existed before Newton documented it. To put it simply, <b>even "God" cannot Create Knowledge.</b> At best, the object of knowledge may be produced, but not knowledge itself. Knowledge is Existence. It is not an attribute or an entity that can be created or modified.
Coming to your questions on Atma and Paramatma. There is an automatic assumption that these are two Entities and that they are somehow separate (in quality, size or distance.) Vedanta asserts, (and experience shows), that there is no separation except in the mind. IF there is a separation of Atma into tiny-Atmas, then the Atma is prone to change and hence destruction. If you say that the Jeevatma is essentially different in quality from the Original (Paramatma) then there can be no Union between dissimilar items (there can only be adulteration.) Hence the concept of UNION is invalid, and has been disproved by Badharayana (compiler of Brahma Sutrani).
As Moksha is NOT an actual union, the statements following the question (separation of Atma) is invalid. Moksha at best is a time when Consciousness is fully manifested and is 100% AWARE that It IS, and it alone IS. (Donât know how to put it in words, but you WILL Experience it some day.) <!--emo&
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I presume the author of the website obtained tha above quote from upanishads. I dont know the exact source.
1. When and why does atma seperate from paramatma?
2. Moksha is Union of atma and paramatma. If this is correct, is there a possibility that atma will seperate from paramatma again? If there is no possibility of that happening, why?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hello Murali, you are indeed right that the statement above could be taken from the Upanishads. However, I would like to differ a bit with the author (Thomas Berry) in one aspect. I would not interpret <b>this entire</b> as just the world. This Entire means, THIS ENTIRE. Everything that can be imagined, and beyond. That which can be perceived and beyond, That which is beyond all laws cause and effect. The original sentense would be "Verily, all this is Brahman".
The Source of Upanishads are the Vedas. The Source of Vedas is the Cosmic Intelligence itself (hence it's called Apaurusheya - not created by humans.) Some claim that the Rishis had written the Vedas. But Knowledge is not born on the day it is documented. Laws of Gravity existed before Newton documented it. To put it simply, <b>even "God" cannot Create Knowledge.</b> At best, the object of knowledge may be produced, but not knowledge itself. Knowledge is Existence. It is not an attribute or an entity that can be created or modified.
Coming to your questions on Atma and Paramatma. There is an automatic assumption that these are two Entities and that they are somehow separate (in quality, size or distance.) Vedanta asserts, (and experience shows), that there is no separation except in the mind. IF there is a separation of Atma into tiny-Atmas, then the Atma is prone to change and hence destruction. If you say that the Jeevatma is essentially different in quality from the Original (Paramatma) then there can be no Union between dissimilar items (there can only be adulteration.) Hence the concept of UNION is invalid, and has been disproved by Badharayana (compiler of Brahma Sutrani).
As Moksha is NOT an actual union, the statements following the question (separation of Atma) is invalid. Moksha at best is a time when Consciousness is fully manifested and is 100% AWARE that It IS, and it alone IS. (Donât know how to put it in words, but you WILL Experience it some day.) <!--emo&
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