<!--QuoteBegin-sureshmoorthy+Mar 3 2008, 07:54 PM-->QUOTE(sureshmoorthy @ Mar 3 2008, 07:54 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->In fact, most of these foolish pagans believe they have more freedom under Christianity, than they did under pagan rule, which they consider to be a dark chapter in western history! <!--emo&
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<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Says the person with no iota of backing evidence.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->They consider all western accomplishments as 'christian' accomplishments, including science, math, literature etc., carefully whitewashing the dark ages which was the direct result of christianity. They are worse than our leftist historians, when it comes to self-hating and self-laceration. In short, as far as christos are concerned, they are useful idiots/allies.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->"They consider all western accomplishments as 'christian' accomplishments, including science, math, literature etc."
No they don't. For example:
http://www.ysee.gr/index-eng.php?type=english&f=faq#36
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><i>Is it true that the ancient Hellenes performed human sacrifices?</i>
This is just another disgusting, Christian lie. With the exception of mythological narratives, Ethnic Hellenic religious ceremonies NEVER included human sacrifice. Our Religion is innately and instinctively related to philosophy, science and all the other cultural achievements of our ancestors, whilst encompassing the most illustrious, historical approach to the Divine. It was this specific religion and world-view that discovered and expressed the meaning of Humanism. Therefore, even the mere suggestion of human sacrifice is absurd, from every perspective.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The real Olympic Games, as the pre-eminent symbol-institution of our inherited Cosmotheasis, were abolished by the Byzantine invaders 16 centuries ago.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Suresh again:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->These idiot pagans are happy to be slaves of christians, so much so they're even denying their own past, their total destruction under christian rule. I've never seen such a worthless bunch.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Wrong again. See for instance
http://www.ysee.gr/index-eng.php?type=en...ovestories
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->(Suresh
The reason why I am posting this here is to break the myth that pagan unity lead by Hindus will be crucial in combating chrito terror. Not quite....<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->The only myth you've broken is that you might know what you're talking about.
I don't know about any 'pagan unity' or whatever you're going on about. But as for the word 'pagan', in its original use it was a term christians had for unconverted Greco-Romans and others of the empire. Heathen is a term christians had for unconverted Germanic peoples, because the unconverted ('unreached') lived in the 'heide' - meadow, outside towns - hence they were 'heidenen' (heathens).
So in their true, original sense, we're not pagans or heathens. But we're not christian, and that is why christians (especially Indian christians) use that term for us today.
If/when I use it for us or other peoples, I just mean to refer to non-christians - this is the way atheists tend to use the word heathen for themselves these days. (I've also used pagan and heathen sarcastically from the opposite POV, the way I've used 'Hindoos'.)
Followers of Hellenismos and Roman Religion consider being called pagan an insult and they should know. For instance see here.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It seems we can only depend on ourselves to fight this battle. Let's not kid ourselves from now on, or even allow ourselves to be referred to as pagans.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Well, one certainly can't depend on you for valid information. And that's the first thing I'd expect/require from someone I'd trust in any 'battle'.
Anyways, we're not aiming to be in this with others, unless others share a similar worldview/code of conduct (like Dharma) with us and are willing to liaise equitably.
If you can't get along with other people, well ... - that comes as no surprise really - but the rest can make such decisions on a case-by-case basis for themselves and won't require your baseless 'revelations' (allegations) about other people ('pagans' or whatnot).

<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Says the person with no iota of backing evidence.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->They consider all western accomplishments as 'christian' accomplishments, including science, math, literature etc., carefully whitewashing the dark ages which was the direct result of christianity. They are worse than our leftist historians, when it comes to self-hating and self-laceration. In short, as far as christos are concerned, they are useful idiots/allies.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->"They consider all western accomplishments as 'christian' accomplishments, including science, math, literature etc."
No they don't. For example:
http://www.ysee.gr/index-eng.php?type=english&f=faq#36
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><i>Is it true that the ancient Hellenes performed human sacrifices?</i>
This is just another disgusting, Christian lie. With the exception of mythological narratives, Ethnic Hellenic religious ceremonies NEVER included human sacrifice. Our Religion is innately and instinctively related to philosophy, science and all the other cultural achievements of our ancestors, whilst encompassing the most illustrious, historical approach to the Divine. It was this specific religion and world-view that discovered and expressed the meaning of Humanism. Therefore, even the mere suggestion of human sacrifice is absurd, from every perspective.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The real Olympic Games, as the pre-eminent symbol-institution of our inherited Cosmotheasis, were abolished by the Byzantine invaders 16 centuries ago.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Suresh again:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->These idiot pagans are happy to be slaves of christians, so much so they're even denying their own past, their total destruction under christian rule. I've never seen such a worthless bunch.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Wrong again. See for instance
http://www.ysee.gr/index-eng.php?type=en...ovestories
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->(Suresh

I don't know about any 'pagan unity' or whatever you're going on about. But as for the word 'pagan', in its original use it was a term christians had for unconverted Greco-Romans and others of the empire. Heathen is a term christians had for unconverted Germanic peoples, because the unconverted ('unreached') lived in the 'heide' - meadow, outside towns - hence they were 'heidenen' (heathens).
So in their true, original sense, we're not pagans or heathens. But we're not christian, and that is why christians (especially Indian christians) use that term for us today.
If/when I use it for us or other peoples, I just mean to refer to non-christians - this is the way atheists tend to use the word heathen for themselves these days. (I've also used pagan and heathen sarcastically from the opposite POV, the way I've used 'Hindoos'.)
Followers of Hellenismos and Roman Religion consider being called pagan an insult and they should know. For instance see here.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It seems we can only depend on ourselves to fight this battle. Let's not kid ourselves from now on, or even allow ourselves to be referred to as pagans.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Well, one certainly can't depend on you for valid information. And that's the first thing I'd expect/require from someone I'd trust in any 'battle'.
Anyways, we're not aiming to be in this with others, unless others share a similar worldview/code of conduct (like Dharma) with us and are willing to liaise equitably.
If you can't get along with other people, well ... - that comes as no surprise really - but the rest can make such decisions on a case-by-case basis for themselves and won't require your baseless 'revelations' (allegations) about other people ('pagans' or whatnot).