<!--QuoteBegin-ashyam+Nov 15 2007, 12:37 PM-->QUOTE(ashyam @ Nov 15 2007, 12:37 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't understand the importance of this Mayan revelation for one reason.
They themselves disappeared from earth many centuries ago, and did they predict that? Previous post says that they wanted to live in harmoney with creation. And they did not last long, so what were they trying to achieve?
I will give more credits to Hindu Rishis than to Mayans, because Hinduism still survives inspite of so many attacks!!!
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Don't know about 2012 and such. But I recall being told something that I thought might be tangentially relevant.
Some great-grand uncle of my dad was a Jyoshiar and apparently very good at it. But my dad always says how that ancestor could make accurate astrological predictions for total strangers' futures but did not foresee <a very drastic event concerning his daughter>. So perhaps this prediction stuff doesn't work for matters close to home?
I'm merely offering that <i>maybe</i> that might be the case with the Mayans too: that they were unable to see the sunset on their own civilisation as it was then, but nevertheless made predictions (accurate or otherwise, only time will tell) pertaining to the world or other people? Of course, none of this is anything concrete and I might just as well be wrong.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mayans, because Hinduism still survives inspite of so many attacks!!!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->- Americas were <i>settled</i>. Christos always (try to) wipe out the inconvertibles when they plan to settle somewhere.
- India was colonised for the purposes of draining the land of its vast resources (like the numerous diamond mines). For which all they needed was to make Hindus permanently docile to christotyranny, which they tried via their brainwashing (which in their doublespeak they've dubbed 'education'). Of course, genocide in India also happened, but not to the same extent (percentage-wise) as in the Americas. It's because the christos decided to make their home in that 'new' continent for which they would not brook the existence of the heathens of 'Hamite lineage'.
In both settling and resource-based colonisation by christoterrorism there's exploitation of the real citizens as well (indentured services/bonded labour).
In any case, the native Americans of both continents did not lie down and play dead. It turns out that there's been 500 years of (indigenous) American resistance against the christian tyranny that emanated from foreign shores and fastened onto the Americas. ( http://www.dickshovel.com/500.html )
Western education, being christian-based, expressly doesn't teach students about this continuous resistance against the parasite of christoterrorism. But we can no longer afford to remain in ignorance of others' long-standing fight against christoislamism, as in most cases their struggles are rather like our own in many respects.
Just because a people have not been successful against the Terminator of christoislamiterrorism, doesn't mean their accomplishments can be dismissed off-hand. An ideology that is winning says nothing about the truth of it - it may just be cheating through disgusting underhand ways. And this is indeed the case here: the winners in the last 1.5+millennia have been terrorist ideologies that have brought forth little in terms of civilisation but have achieved an avalanche of destruction everywhere. <i>They</i> certainly can't be relied upon for any of their claims, in spite of their present 'upper hand'.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I will give more credits to Hindu Rishis than to Mayans<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And I do too. But in my case, I must allow that that's possibly because I know more about our own Rishis than I do about Mayan revelations and such. (And perhaps some partiality on my side, which if so, I can't help.)
<b>ADDED:</b>
The above brought something to my mind again. Notice how Hindus always list Hinduism, (Buddhism,) christianity, islam when they talk about "religion"? We tend to know little to nothing about other religions. It's not our fault of course. Most people of other ancient natural religions don't know about Hinduism either, unless they found out about it from Hindus. Once again, this is because of christian education: trying to keep all other ways of life completely obscured (or if that's impossible, christo-education presents them as terrible anti-human religions which no one would then want to learn about anyway). It's especially single-minded in doing this to living (and reviving) religions. That way, when christians do finally kill all natural religions, they can pretend ours all never existed or were horrid otherwise.
It's in our best interests to learn about other natural religions and educate our community (Dharmics, or at least Hindus) - not only about their existence but all about these other traditions. That way, Hindus won't be conditioned to christoislamism (for instance, we will stop speaking in terms of monopolytheism or "invisible gawd" or "idolatry") and we will stop making our minds attuned to their poison. Christianism failed so spectacularly in winning voluntary converts in early centuries precisely because its very nonsense and inhumanity was thoroughly alien. Now - like bad sleazy tv programming increases our toleration of sleaziness on tv (e.g. 'reality' shows) - our unfortunate exposure to unnatural christoislami thought patterns has made us tolerant of its ideas and therefore susceptible/more amenable to conversion.
They themselves disappeared from earth many centuries ago, and did they predict that? Previous post says that they wanted to live in harmoney with creation. And they did not last long, so what were they trying to achieve?
I will give more credits to Hindu Rishis than to Mayans, because Hinduism still survives inspite of so many attacks!!!
[right][snapback]75261[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Mayans are still here.
Don't know about 2012 and such. But I recall being told something that I thought might be tangentially relevant.
Some great-grand uncle of my dad was a Jyoshiar and apparently very good at it. But my dad always says how that ancestor could make accurate astrological predictions for total strangers' futures but did not foresee <a very drastic event concerning his daughter>. So perhaps this prediction stuff doesn't work for matters close to home?
I'm merely offering that <i>maybe</i> that might be the case with the Mayans too: that they were unable to see the sunset on their own civilisation as it was then, but nevertheless made predictions (accurate or otherwise, only time will tell) pertaining to the world or other people? Of course, none of this is anything concrete and I might just as well be wrong.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mayans, because Hinduism still survives inspite of so many attacks!!!<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->- Americas were <i>settled</i>. Christos always (try to) wipe out the inconvertibles when they plan to settle somewhere.
- India was colonised for the purposes of draining the land of its vast resources (like the numerous diamond mines). For which all they needed was to make Hindus permanently docile to christotyranny, which they tried via their brainwashing (which in their doublespeak they've dubbed 'education'). Of course, genocide in India also happened, but not to the same extent (percentage-wise) as in the Americas. It's because the christos decided to make their home in that 'new' continent for which they would not brook the existence of the heathens of 'Hamite lineage'.
In both settling and resource-based colonisation by christoterrorism there's exploitation of the real citizens as well (indentured services/bonded labour).
In any case, the native Americans of both continents did not lie down and play dead. It turns out that there's been 500 years of (indigenous) American resistance against the christian tyranny that emanated from foreign shores and fastened onto the Americas. ( http://www.dickshovel.com/500.html )
Western education, being christian-based, expressly doesn't teach students about this continuous resistance against the parasite of christoterrorism. But we can no longer afford to remain in ignorance of others' long-standing fight against christoislamism, as in most cases their struggles are rather like our own in many respects.
Just because a people have not been successful against the Terminator of christoislamiterrorism, doesn't mean their accomplishments can be dismissed off-hand. An ideology that is winning says nothing about the truth of it - it may just be cheating through disgusting underhand ways. And this is indeed the case here: the winners in the last 1.5+millennia have been terrorist ideologies that have brought forth little in terms of civilisation but have achieved an avalanche of destruction everywhere. <i>They</i> certainly can't be relied upon for any of their claims, in spite of their present 'upper hand'.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I will give more credits to Hindu Rishis than to Mayans<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->And I do too. But in my case, I must allow that that's possibly because I know more about our own Rishis than I do about Mayan revelations and such. (And perhaps some partiality on my side, which if so, I can't help.)
<b>ADDED:</b>
The above brought something to my mind again. Notice how Hindus always list Hinduism, (Buddhism,) christianity, islam when they talk about "religion"? We tend to know little to nothing about other religions. It's not our fault of course. Most people of other ancient natural religions don't know about Hinduism either, unless they found out about it from Hindus. Once again, this is because of christian education: trying to keep all other ways of life completely obscured (or if that's impossible, christo-education presents them as terrible anti-human religions which no one would then want to learn about anyway). It's especially single-minded in doing this to living (and reviving) religions. That way, when christians do finally kill all natural religions, they can pretend ours all never existed or were horrid otherwise.
It's in our best interests to learn about other natural religions and educate our community (Dharmics, or at least Hindus) - not only about their existence but all about these other traditions. That way, Hindus won't be conditioned to christoislamism (for instance, we will stop speaking in terms of monopolytheism or "invisible gawd" or "idolatry") and we will stop making our minds attuned to their poison. Christianism failed so spectacularly in winning voluntary converts in early centuries precisely because its very nonsense and inhumanity was thoroughly alien. Now - like bad sleazy tv programming increases our toleration of sleaziness on tv (e.g. 'reality' shows) - our unfortunate exposure to unnatural christoislami thought patterns has made us tolerant of its ideas and therefore susceptible/more amenable to conversion.