<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But these make orthodox tolerant? while still claim-the pagans/heretics are siners for their wrong views.
Unlike their predecesors,orthodox today put the accent on the devensive intolerance-do not talk whit heretics,do not read heretic books(yes this is a sin,one of the 9 church comands),do not pray whit a heretic/pagan,do not even wash next to a heretic/pagan.And orthodox indeed see the heathens as deluded by satan.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I really do prefer Orthodox christianity. If what they believe does not hurt me or others who aren't believers, I'm not bothered that they think I am going to hell.
Of course, commands like "do not read heretic books" are detrimental to the adherents: they are denied a journey of personal discovery.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->While western christians in some denominations put the accent on ofensive intolerance-convert the heretic/pagan by any means(force,coruption etc),destroy the heathen.
Also,if you read the military doctrine of the bysantine empire,you gona observ the defensive spirit there in contrast whit ofensive spirit of catholic and muslim war doctrines.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes, it is a huge difference. It makes all the difference in the end. One of the two is something others can live with (the Eastern one); while the other (western christianity) refuses the right of others to exist.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Orthodox intolerance is mingled today especialy whit nationalism .In Russia others religions are not welcomed if they are not part of the 5 NATIONAL russian religions(orthodox,islam,buddhism,judaism etc).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->What is the 5th I wonder. After all, Stalin killed many Siberians who were still practising their ancient religion, so I don't think that's the one...
Russia should replace islam in that list of 5 with original Russian religions instead (like Siberian shamanism and Old Slavic religion). Islam is detrimental to Russia - the strife with Chechnya can eventually take over islamics in the rest of Russia and then there will be enemies on the inside. The country can recognise islam without welcoming it.
Buddhism is indeed ancient to the region, so it makes sense that it is counted. The HinduWisdom site had some article(s) on how the Burhats/Buryats of Siberia were Hindu before historically becoming Buddhist - though they still have some Hindu Gods like Mahendra. But otherwise I can see why a country which is religiously non-proselytising does not welcome a very modern proselytising branch of Hinduism. I don't like proselytisation <i>except</i> where old religions get their own people back (as in Hellenismos getting Greeks back, or Hinduism getting historically Hindu people in Indian subcontinent/SE Asia back, Zoroastrianism getting Persia back, or Taoism getting Taoists back... that sort of thing). I fully support the latter. (Of course I also approve of individuals researching/discovering a religion <i>on their own</i> and then considering themselves an adherent - but such a process is entirely different from others proselytising.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In Greece orthodoxy is part of national identity(even atheist greek claim to be orthodox) and non-greek orthodox are not welcomed as well.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Greece has to allow Hellenismos. It should be allowed to return. Hellenismos is the <i>only</i> thing that will ever revive Greece; because it is the very spirit of Greece and Greek culture. When it was stifled, the country diminished terribly. I can't imagine how they ever thought they could thrive without Apollo and Artemis. I hope their Real religion may become their national identity again.
Unlike their predecesors,orthodox today put the accent on the devensive intolerance-do not talk whit heretics,do not read heretic books(yes this is a sin,one of the 9 church comands),do not pray whit a heretic/pagan,do not even wash next to a heretic/pagan.And orthodox indeed see the heathens as deluded by satan.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->I really do prefer Orthodox christianity. If what they believe does not hurt me or others who aren't believers, I'm not bothered that they think I am going to hell.
Of course, commands like "do not read heretic books" are detrimental to the adherents: they are denied a journey of personal discovery.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->While western christians in some denominations put the accent on ofensive intolerance-convert the heretic/pagan by any means(force,coruption etc),destroy the heathen.
Also,if you read the military doctrine of the bysantine empire,you gona observ the defensive spirit there in contrast whit ofensive spirit of catholic and muslim war doctrines.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Yes, it is a huge difference. It makes all the difference in the end. One of the two is something others can live with (the Eastern one); while the other (western christianity) refuses the right of others to exist.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Orthodox intolerance is mingled today especialy whit nationalism .In Russia others religions are not welcomed if they are not part of the 5 NATIONAL russian religions(orthodox,islam,buddhism,judaism etc).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->What is the 5th I wonder. After all, Stalin killed many Siberians who were still practising their ancient religion, so I don't think that's the one...
Russia should replace islam in that list of 5 with original Russian religions instead (like Siberian shamanism and Old Slavic religion). Islam is detrimental to Russia - the strife with Chechnya can eventually take over islamics in the rest of Russia and then there will be enemies on the inside. The country can recognise islam without welcoming it.
Buddhism is indeed ancient to the region, so it makes sense that it is counted. The HinduWisdom site had some article(s) on how the Burhats/Buryats of Siberia were Hindu before historically becoming Buddhist - though they still have some Hindu Gods like Mahendra. But otherwise I can see why a country which is religiously non-proselytising does not welcome a very modern proselytising branch of Hinduism. I don't like proselytisation <i>except</i> where old religions get their own people back (as in Hellenismos getting Greeks back, or Hinduism getting historically Hindu people in Indian subcontinent/SE Asia back, Zoroastrianism getting Persia back, or Taoism getting Taoists back... that sort of thing). I fully support the latter. (Of course I also approve of individuals researching/discovering a religion <i>on their own</i> and then considering themselves an adherent - but such a process is entirely different from others proselytising.)
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In Greece orthodoxy is part of national identity(even atheist greek claim to be orthodox) and non-greek orthodox are not welcomed as well.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Greece has to allow Hellenismos. It should be allowed to return. Hellenismos is the <i>only</i> thing that will ever revive Greece; because it is the very spirit of Greece and Greek culture. When it was stifled, the country diminished terribly. I can't imagine how they ever thought they could thrive without Apollo and Artemis. I hope their Real religion may become their national identity again.