07-20-2007, 07:17 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+Jul 20 2007, 12:05 PM-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha @ Jul 20 2007, 12:05 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->After the whirlwind of Islam under the dreadful Alla-ad-din Khalji had blown through India and flattened the Hindus,
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No hauma. This is not true. Yes Khilji fought many wars and won many but he lost lot more also. His losses are not discussed at all and he is presented as someone who never lost a war.
From: http://hindurajput.blogspot.com/#Rajputs_a...asions_of_India
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Professor Herman Kulke in his book "A History of India, ISBN: 0415154820, Publisher: Routledge; 3rd edition (March 1998)" records:
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Ala-ud-din was also quite realistic when he mentioned that his order would be obeyed only upto a distance of about 100 miles from Delhi; beyond that limit military intervention was required if he wanted to impose his will on the people.
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This shows that even at the height of power, Khilji barely controlled the outskirts of Delhi and rest of India was not under his control.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+Jul 20 2007, 12:05 PM-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha @ Jul 20 2007, 12:05 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->one of the first Hindu fight-backs began ............ In the North, in the 1400s a significant figure in rolling back the horrors of Islam was the great Rana Kumbha of Mewar.
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Again not true. Even when Khilji was in his prime he lost at Chittor, Jalore, Siwana, Ranathambore and other places.
http://hindurajput.blogspot.com/#Hammir_Dev_Chauhan
http://hindurajput.blogspot.com/#Rawal_Rat....2CGora.2CBadal
<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+Jul 20 2007, 12:05 PM-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha @ Jul 20 2007, 12:05 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->t Hindu fight-backs began under Prolaya Vema Reddi and the Kamma chiefs Kaapaya Nayaka and Prolaya Nayaka in the Andhra country.
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Can you please elaborate more about these brave people?
<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+Jul 20 2007, 12:05 PM-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha @ Jul 20 2007, 12:05 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->He pounded the Moslem tyrants of Gujarat and Malava. One thing that caught my attention was a striking parallelism in the language of the two Hindu liberators in describing their victories against the Moslems.
Prolaya Vema Reddi's inscription of Kondavidu remarks: "I am indeed an Agastya to the ocean which was made of the Muslim". He uses the phrase "mlechChAbdi (Moslem ocean) kumbhodbhava (the pot born)" referring to the two mythological elements: 1) Along with manA and vasiShTha agastya was born from a pot (=urvashI) into which was discharged the semen of mitra and varuNa. 2) When the asura-s fleeing from indra and other deva-s hid in the ocean, agastya drunk up the ocean to render the asuras vulnerable to the deva attack.
The famed kirtistambha of Rana Kumbha was erected to commemorate his victories over various Moslem rulers like those of Gujarat and Malava. It contains a long inscription describing these victories. In verse 171 there is a play on kumbha's name and describes him as the pot-born agastya who drunk up the armies of the suratrANas (laTa evaM mAlava suratrANAnAM senAh).
These parallels represent the remarkable cultural unity of Hindu expression even in a period when the Islamic violence fragmented the land.
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Yes and this similarity is because India had been one country from time immemorial. People worshipped similar Gods, had similar culture, dressed similarly and behaved similarly (A simple fact which is turned upside down by people who want to divide north vs south).
Some more of Kumbha's inscriptions are given here:
http://hindurajput.blogspot.com/#Maharana_Kumbha
-Digvijay
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No hauma. This is not true. Yes Khilji fought many wars and won many but he lost lot more also. His losses are not discussed at all and he is presented as someone who never lost a war.
From: http://hindurajput.blogspot.com/#Rajputs_a...asions_of_India
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Professor Herman Kulke in his book "A History of India, ISBN: 0415154820, Publisher: Routledge; 3rd edition (March 1998)" records:
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Ala-ud-din was also quite realistic when he mentioned that his order would be obeyed only upto a distance of about 100 miles from Delhi; beyond that limit military intervention was required if he wanted to impose his will on the people.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This shows that even at the height of power, Khilji barely controlled the outskirts of Delhi and rest of India was not under his control.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+Jul 20 2007, 12:05 PM-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha @ Jul 20 2007, 12:05 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->one of the first Hindu fight-backs began ............ In the North, in the 1400s a significant figure in rolling back the horrors of Islam was the great Rana Kumbha of Mewar.
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Again not true. Even when Khilji was in his prime he lost at Chittor, Jalore, Siwana, Ranathambore and other places.
http://hindurajput.blogspot.com/#Hammir_Dev_Chauhan
http://hindurajput.blogspot.com/#Rawal_Rat....2CGora.2CBadal
<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+Jul 20 2007, 12:05 PM-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha @ Jul 20 2007, 12:05 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->t Hindu fight-backs began under Prolaya Vema Reddi and the Kamma chiefs Kaapaya Nayaka and Prolaya Nayaka in the Andhra country.
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Can you please elaborate more about these brave people?
<!--QuoteBegin-Hauma Hamiddha+Jul 20 2007, 12:05 PM-->QUOTE(Hauma Hamiddha @ Jul 20 2007, 12:05 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->He pounded the Moslem tyrants of Gujarat and Malava. One thing that caught my attention was a striking parallelism in the language of the two Hindu liberators in describing their victories against the Moslems.
Prolaya Vema Reddi's inscription of Kondavidu remarks: "I am indeed an Agastya to the ocean which was made of the Muslim". He uses the phrase "mlechChAbdi (Moslem ocean) kumbhodbhava (the pot born)" referring to the two mythological elements: 1) Along with manA and vasiShTha agastya was born from a pot (=urvashI) into which was discharged the semen of mitra and varuNa. 2) When the asura-s fleeing from indra and other deva-s hid in the ocean, agastya drunk up the ocean to render the asuras vulnerable to the deva attack.
The famed kirtistambha of Rana Kumbha was erected to commemorate his victories over various Moslem rulers like those of Gujarat and Malava. It contains a long inscription describing these victories. In verse 171 there is a play on kumbha's name and describes him as the pot-born agastya who drunk up the armies of the suratrANas (laTa evaM mAlava suratrANAnAM senAh).
These parallels represent the remarkable cultural unity of Hindu expression even in a period when the Islamic violence fragmented the land.
[right][snapback]71358[/snapback][/right]
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Yes and this similarity is because India had been one country from time immemorial. People worshipped similar Gods, had similar culture, dressed similarly and behaved similarly (A simple fact which is turned upside down by people who want to divide north vs south).
Some more of Kumbha's inscriptions are given here:
http://hindurajput.blogspot.com/#Maharana_Kumbha
-Digvijay