Let us first define where we are disagreeing.
Since apparently you have not been able to go through the earlier posts and discussion on this thread, here is a summary of what majority posters on this thread, before you joined, have seemed to be agreeing on:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->1. Good knowledge of English, verbal and written, is a must for the Indian of coming generations. No opposition to teaching English as a language, and a very important language to know indeed for empowerment in the global information age.
2. Although It must be one of the language, and important subject of instruction. However, there is no need to make English the PRIMARY language, the First Language, and the mother language of the Indians.Â
3. Teaching English is not the same as teaching all the knowledge in English. English can still be learnt and used very well, as a subject.
4. Medium of instruction therefore should preferably be the regional language of the child, till "X" standard. X is a variable - not yet been discussed.
5. Natural common single language of the Bharat, and thread that ties all other languages, is (still) Sanskrit, which must be promoted as an equally important language to learn, eventually the secondary language.
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Having stated the above, let me see where we agree and where we disagree.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->allopathic medicine which currently has no route for anyone to follow other than an English only route.
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Agree. And still, like Bharatvarsh and Vishwas have tried to point out earlier in a different context, that nobody here has so far suggested that the English should be stopped as the medium of Allopathic medicine education. Nor for several other fields of higher education for example Engineering, or international trade.
What we have so far said is only related to a) 'whether it is a must to have english as the medium of <b>primary and secondary education</b>' and spoken/promoted at home as the FIRST language. Noone yet has talked about higher education.
Now, in your posts this presumption is evident : that, most if not all 'good' employment depends upon the English knowledge. What is the ratio of jobs created in India in the areas that 'require' English as the medium of the higher education vis-a-vis the other fields that do NOT require the English as the medium of education? Granted, that we have already counted Medicine, Pharmacy and Engineering as the ones that require English as the medeum of education. We can come back to these later, but for now, let us see whether other careers exist where English as the medium of instruction may not be required.
The most obvious case that comes to my mind is LAW. There are as many lawyers or more, as there are doctors. Why should the law be taught in English? Any logical reason? Commerce and Accountancy. Why should an accountant or a banker be instructed on these trades in the English language? Other sciences - eg. agriculture technology, leather technology, Paper and pulp technology, military sciences. History and Philosophy? Why should the primary language in these humanities be English? Why not Sanskrit? (in fact, several of these that I mentioned are so far being taught in the Indic languages overwhelmingly) Once again, please dont answer from the stand point of 'English Knowledge' but from the standpoint of 'English as the medium of education'.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I have been trying to point out that rape has already occurred. It is not as though rape can now be resisted or enjoyed. The rape is over and what we are left with is lost virginity.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, believe me, this is something to do with the perception. India is not Mexico or Phillippines, that its culture can be easily replaced by something else. Indic with its vast momentum, is a different case. My perception is this, that the 'attempt to Rape' has started, but it can still be prevented. Let us not be defeatist.
See the post 22 about Bharatendu Harishchandra. He was also faced by the same challenge. He was a fighter and he did prevent the rape of the language in his time. The problems are different now, and solutions will be different too, but the same 'will' shall be required as he had demonstrated.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I do not mean to get personal, but please tell me that you are one exception in that neither of your parents spoke English and that your children are now in regional language schools <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am not any exception. There were plentiful like me in my graduation class. Even in my post gradualtion, out of the class of 14, there were at least 4 of us who were from vernacular backgrounds. (2 Telugu, 1 Tamil, 1 Hindi). My parents can speak English. About schooling of my children, that time has not yet come. Will be sure to let you know once I reach that stage <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> But I am firm that they should get early education in Hindi.
I had mentioned my own example for no other reason but to respond to this comment of yours, and to show that the Indic medium secondary education does produce more than ayas and domestic help. At the same time, English medium education is no guarantee to alleviate poverty.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But for those who are on the wrong side of that "English boundary" in India - their only future is becoming drivers, "ayahs", "domestics" and low paid laborers working for the English speakers of India. It is strange that those English speaking Indians should oppose the entry of more Indians into benefits of a wider education
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Since apparently you have not been able to go through the earlier posts and discussion on this thread, here is a summary of what majority posters on this thread, before you joined, have seemed to be agreeing on:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->1. Good knowledge of English, verbal and written, is a must for the Indian of coming generations. No opposition to teaching English as a language, and a very important language to know indeed for empowerment in the global information age.
2. Although It must be one of the language, and important subject of instruction. However, there is no need to make English the PRIMARY language, the First Language, and the mother language of the Indians.Â
3. Teaching English is not the same as teaching all the knowledge in English. English can still be learnt and used very well, as a subject.
4. Medium of instruction therefore should preferably be the regional language of the child, till "X" standard. X is a variable - not yet been discussed.
5. Natural common single language of the Bharat, and thread that ties all other languages, is (still) Sanskrit, which must be promoted as an equally important language to learn, eventually the secondary language.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Having stated the above, let me see where we agree and where we disagree.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->allopathic medicine which currently has no route for anyone to follow other than an English only route.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Agree. And still, like Bharatvarsh and Vishwas have tried to point out earlier in a different context, that nobody here has so far suggested that the English should be stopped as the medium of Allopathic medicine education. Nor for several other fields of higher education for example Engineering, or international trade.
What we have so far said is only related to a) 'whether it is a must to have english as the medium of <b>primary and secondary education</b>' and spoken/promoted at home as the FIRST language. Noone yet has talked about higher education.
Now, in your posts this presumption is evident : that, most if not all 'good' employment depends upon the English knowledge. What is the ratio of jobs created in India in the areas that 'require' English as the medium of the higher education vis-a-vis the other fields that do NOT require the English as the medium of education? Granted, that we have already counted Medicine, Pharmacy and Engineering as the ones that require English as the medeum of education. We can come back to these later, but for now, let us see whether other careers exist where English as the medium of instruction may not be required.
The most obvious case that comes to my mind is LAW. There are as many lawyers or more, as there are doctors. Why should the law be taught in English? Any logical reason? Commerce and Accountancy. Why should an accountant or a banker be instructed on these trades in the English language? Other sciences - eg. agriculture technology, leather technology, Paper and pulp technology, military sciences. History and Philosophy? Why should the primary language in these humanities be English? Why not Sanskrit? (in fact, several of these that I mentioned are so far being taught in the Indic languages overwhelmingly) Once again, please dont answer from the stand point of 'English Knowledge' but from the standpoint of 'English as the medium of education'.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I have been trying to point out that rape has already occurred. It is not as though rape can now be resisted or enjoyed. The rape is over and what we are left with is lost virginity.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, believe me, this is something to do with the perception. India is not Mexico or Phillippines, that its culture can be easily replaced by something else. Indic with its vast momentum, is a different case. My perception is this, that the 'attempt to Rape' has started, but it can still be prevented. Let us not be defeatist.
See the post 22 about Bharatendu Harishchandra. He was also faced by the same challenge. He was a fighter and he did prevent the rape of the language in his time. The problems are different now, and solutions will be different too, but the same 'will' shall be required as he had demonstrated.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->I do not mean to get personal, but please tell me that you are one exception in that neither of your parents spoke English and that your children are now in regional language schools <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am not any exception. There were plentiful like me in my graduation class. Even in my post gradualtion, out of the class of 14, there were at least 4 of us who were from vernacular backgrounds. (2 Telugu, 1 Tamil, 1 Hindi). My parents can speak English. About schooling of my children, that time has not yet come. Will be sure to let you know once I reach that stage <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> But I am firm that they should get early education in Hindi.I had mentioned my own example for no other reason but to respond to this comment of yours, and to show that the Indic medium secondary education does produce more than ayas and domestic help. At the same time, English medium education is no guarantee to alleviate poverty.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->But for those who are on the wrong side of that "English boundary" in India - their only future is becoming drivers, "ayahs", "domestics" and low paid laborers working for the English speakers of India. It is strange that those English speaking Indians should oppose the entry of more Indians into benefits of a wider education
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