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Hindu Narrative
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<!--QuoteBegin-vishwas+Apr 25 2007, 11:21 PM-->QUOTE(vishwas @ Apr 25 2007, 11:21 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Shiv, are you posting the Hindu narrative or the atheist's narrative? There is enough of that on the web. The narrative of Indian "social reform" usually ends up in the narrative of the typical atheist Gandhian, as it has ended up in the case of the writer you quote.

Or is it your belief that every ex-Hindu's narrative is an important part of the Hindu narrative? There is a lot of that too on the web.

Administrators, I think much of what is called the "Hindu narrative" in this thread is more or less an uncharitable <i>modernist narrative</i> of Hinduism, not the narrative of a believer. That may be good for the Indian state (which encourages "scientific temper") but why is it good for Hinduism?

I was afraid it would come to this. Perhaps administrators should consider  closing this thread?
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This is a valid criticism - but I think it is important not to be afraid of what is thrown up by a narrative. The "Hindu" narrative includes all experiences and thoughts of Hindus and in this case the particular author has had some thoughts that you do not necessarily find pleasing. Nevertheless - it is Hindu narrative. A narrative of a man born into a Hindu family with such restrictive practices that he rebelled. That is why I put it on here. But neither he, nor his descendants converted. They were reacting to the deficiencies of seemingly pure Hindus around them and changing some restrictive and mindless rules for a better life. You won't see a Muslim being able to do that without being threatened.

If we dig around and allow narratives to come out - we may well find a Hindu narrative that explains how and why a person converted. It could be a story of coercion or of voluntary conversion or of conversion based on a fit of pique. Or it could be a fight for improvement within the framework of Hindu belief.

If we think it is important to see how Hindus think and feel and what historic forces have acted on their minds, being judgemental about their writing will gradually narrow down our choice of whose records we want to look at to a level where real pure Hindus are a minority.

In fact it may already be true to say that real Hindus are a minority, but while people such as yourself find it easy to recognize signs of atheism or some other characteristic (perhaps dhimmitude or something else) nobody has yet managed to define what he is looking for when he says "Hindu". There seems to be a quest for a real Hindu who is not an atheist or a dhimmi or a convert or something else. There is nothing wrong with such a quest - it would be far easier if the characteristics could be defined and nobody has done that yet and I suspect that nobody will do it either. I am willing to eat my words on this issue.

What we have is a motley bunch of people with thoughts, feelings, emotions, needs, fears and joys who have called themselves "Hindu" by virtue of their birth. They have had a certain amount of knowledge passed on to them as "Hindus" that they have internalised but have gone ahead to live their lives based on lessons life has taught them. The Hindu narrative has to include that story if we are to begin to understand how or why a Hindu sees things in a particular way. Throwing away some things just because one is uncomfortable with what comes out is in my opinion, a choice of "agnana" over "gnana". Only when we are able to look at uncomfortable things along with reassuring things will Hindus be able to understand what (if anything) makes them tick and face the future with confidence and awaremess.
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