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<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->facts, logic, all p-sec anti-Hindu concepts according to some<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Nope. Facts and logic are anti-christian (and anti-islam), as has been repeated since early church fathers to this day. So too Reason (see Martin Luther).
Pseculars wouldn't know a fact if it charged at them like a bull.
Hindus and other sane people have no problem with facts or logic.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->THIS is what Hinduism has sunk to?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Like I implied, the fever is in your mind. You're inverting what you see.
Ramar Sethu is a National Treasure, it is instinctively recognised as such by many coastal Tamil, Malayali and Sri Lankan Hindus, not to mention throughout the length and breadth of India. The government fails to recognise it at all, on purpose. But that doesn't mean it ceases to be deserving of this status.
Progress is all good and well, looking to the future is too. But 'civilised', 'progressive' people in other nations are willing to preserve their National Treasures and don't mind doing so if it means a bit more effort on their part. Although I didn't think the alternatives to the proposed canal configuration required (a great deal of) extra effort either.
'Civilised' people don't go about destroying their own civilisation. Indian psecs however, think that <i>replacing</i> Indian languages with English (as opposed to <i>adding</i> English to the existing set of languages we learn) is a sign of 'civilised progress'. In a similar manner, these types also think that Ramar Sethu (if they ever even know or accept or care that there's a Ramar Sethu) served its purpose long ago.
Ignoring the psec then, whose opinions one may safely ignore in all matters, most people know that National treasures are worth saving. Only Indians insist on committing suicide by sacrificing their own historic monuments. The Bridge is unique, it is sacred to Hindus, it is mentioned in several Dharmic scriptures, it is a sign of Hindu continuity from ancient times, it is an heirloom of all Hindus. It has <i>special significance</i> to Hindus as a people. Therefore it matters: its worth according to these factors makes it inestimable. What price do you put on self-confidence? And how much for national self-awareness, self-recognition, self-worth, pride, identity?
There are occasions when one can argue reasonably for progress, but there are also occasions when one can reasonably make arguments for preserving one's heritage (over and above insistence on the kind of blind progress that does not care what it is in its way that it mowed over). Ramar Sethu is an instance of the last.
The day may come when most Hindus finally think it's time to take a stand. But at that point I fear we could have alreay let so much slip past, that we have <i>nothing to take a stand by</i>.
Such a day may not be far off, as with each scheme to denude us of our identity, anti-Hindus such as those in our present government count on those who are proudly and blindly 'reasonable' to overlook the govt's real intentions. It never enters the heads of the 'reasonable, rational Indian' (though they are neither reasonable nor rational, it's self-flattery) that our government has no major legitimate motives - that it could actually be, and in fact is, mere petty, mental conquest they're after. Missionaries are neither reasonable nor subtle. They may cloak their intentions in sensible-sounding ideas like 'let's build a canal to facilitate a speedier route between Sri Lanka and India', 'schools to provide education', but they had the intention first, they then came up with the excuse.
If Ramar Sethu had been the only thing they were after, most would not have seen this event for what it is. However the matter's different: this is but the millionth thing they have been doing to undermine Hinduism in India.
- 'Those Hindu processions, they're loud and the people in it trample flowers - it's noisy and environmentally unfriendly' and so they get us to stop traditional processions and gatherings.
- The travesty of what they did to Kanchi Shankaracharya
- The careful misreporting (and neglecting to report) on important events: example, the misreporting on Jhabua nun case; neglecting to report on <i>massive</i> Hindu meets
- Oh, a million other things
One needs to be deaf, dumb and blind - or a mere psec, or an Indian used to deluding itself into thinking they're especially more rational than another - not to see the significance of the Sethu situation in the bigger picture of what it is the UPA government and their terrorist allies have long been trying to do to Hindu identity in India.
Whether the Ramar Sethu means something to you or not, you should recognise the situation for what it is and fight it on principle. But I think you, and those who think like you, might not see why. Not yet. Not until it is too late. Reminds me of the 'liberals' in the west, who are too sleepy to notice the oncoming tide of islam.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->facts, logic, all p-sec anti-Hindu concepts according to some<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Nope. Facts and logic are anti-christian (and anti-islam), as has been repeated since early church fathers to this day. So too Reason (see Martin Luther).
Pseculars wouldn't know a fact if it charged at them like a bull.
Hindus and other sane people have no problem with facts or logic.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->THIS is what Hinduism has sunk to?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Like I implied, the fever is in your mind. You're inverting what you see.
Ramar Sethu is a National Treasure, it is instinctively recognised as such by many coastal Tamil, Malayali and Sri Lankan Hindus, not to mention throughout the length and breadth of India. The government fails to recognise it at all, on purpose. But that doesn't mean it ceases to be deserving of this status.
Progress is all good and well, looking to the future is too. But 'civilised', 'progressive' people in other nations are willing to preserve their National Treasures and don't mind doing so if it means a bit more effort on their part. Although I didn't think the alternatives to the proposed canal configuration required (a great deal of) extra effort either.
'Civilised' people don't go about destroying their own civilisation. Indian psecs however, think that <i>replacing</i> Indian languages with English (as opposed to <i>adding</i> English to the existing set of languages we learn) is a sign of 'civilised progress'. In a similar manner, these types also think that Ramar Sethu (if they ever even know or accept or care that there's a Ramar Sethu) served its purpose long ago.
Ignoring the psec then, whose opinions one may safely ignore in all matters, most people know that National treasures are worth saving. Only Indians insist on committing suicide by sacrificing their own historic monuments. The Bridge is unique, it is sacred to Hindus, it is mentioned in several Dharmic scriptures, it is a sign of Hindu continuity from ancient times, it is an heirloom of all Hindus. It has <i>special significance</i> to Hindus as a people. Therefore it matters: its worth according to these factors makes it inestimable. What price do you put on self-confidence? And how much for national self-awareness, self-recognition, self-worth, pride, identity?
There are occasions when one can argue reasonably for progress, but there are also occasions when one can reasonably make arguments for preserving one's heritage (over and above insistence on the kind of blind progress that does not care what it is in its way that it mowed over). Ramar Sethu is an instance of the last.
The day may come when most Hindus finally think it's time to take a stand. But at that point I fear we could have alreay let so much slip past, that we have <i>nothing to take a stand by</i>.
Such a day may not be far off, as with each scheme to denude us of our identity, anti-Hindus such as those in our present government count on those who are proudly and blindly 'reasonable' to overlook the govt's real intentions. It never enters the heads of the 'reasonable, rational Indian' (though they are neither reasonable nor rational, it's self-flattery) that our government has no major legitimate motives - that it could actually be, and in fact is, mere petty, mental conquest they're after. Missionaries are neither reasonable nor subtle. They may cloak their intentions in sensible-sounding ideas like 'let's build a canal to facilitate a speedier route between Sri Lanka and India', 'schools to provide education', but they had the intention first, they then came up with the excuse.
If Ramar Sethu had been the only thing they were after, most would not have seen this event for what it is. However the matter's different: this is but the millionth thing they have been doing to undermine Hinduism in India.
- 'Those Hindu processions, they're loud and the people in it trample flowers - it's noisy and environmentally unfriendly' and so they get us to stop traditional processions and gatherings.
- The travesty of what they did to Kanchi Shankaracharya
- The careful misreporting (and neglecting to report) on important events: example, the misreporting on Jhabua nun case; neglecting to report on <i>massive</i> Hindu meets
- Oh, a million other things
One needs to be deaf, dumb and blind - or a mere psec, or an Indian used to deluding itself into thinking they're especially more rational than another - not to see the significance of the Sethu situation in the bigger picture of what it is the UPA government and their terrorist allies have long been trying to do to Hindu identity in India.
Whether the Ramar Sethu means something to you or not, you should recognise the situation for what it is and fight it on principle. But I think you, and those who think like you, might not see why. Not yet. Not until it is too late. Reminds me of the 'liberals' in the west, who are too sleepy to notice the oncoming tide of islam.