01-29-2007, 03:30 PM
came in email.
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A REJOINDER TO DR.RAJU GEORGE THOMAS´ GOSPEL
Dear Professor Thomas:
I had a chance to read your e-mail correspondence with XXXXX. I did not come across in XXXX´s e-mail to you anywhere anything against Christianity of the synoptic Gospels or against the person of Jesus as you allege in your missive. XXXX´s complaint is primarily against either coerced or fraudulent conversion of the tribals and simple people living in the deep hinterland of India by foreign evangelical Christian missionaries for which he has given ample documentation including the expose´ of the great "Mother Theresa" by Hitchens. These coercions include verbal and or written denigration of the faith of the natives and in bygone era physical cruelty including torture and the death of the heathen
Going through your exchanges it is apparent to even my sixth grader Christian grandson that you are no professor but a bigoted Christian fundamentalist lay preacher huckster in the mold of Pat Robertson speaking on the 700 club. It will be pointless to rebut your screed point by point because it is so far
outfield to have any resemblance with the facts. I guess, people like you do live in your own world, a world devoid of reason and realty. But I will rebut
some of your more outlandish assertions in the vain hope that you do love the honorific of professor ahead of your name.
Reading a letter in the letter section of one Thomas in a recent issue of India Abroad (Jan 5, 2007) I wondered, whether you are his doppelganger suffering from the same paranoid schizophrenia as he does. Leave apart some loonies on both side of the aisle which incidentally, always present in every period and in every nation these are the facts about some of your pet peeves. RSS is the largest voluntary non political organization in the world doing selfless service all over India helping in the earthquakes, tsunami relief and day to day calamities, for example, it was the first to reach to the site of the recent plane disaster carrying Muslim pilgrimage to Haj tending the wounded and burying the dead with dignity and providing the succor to the bereaved. Its stated organizational policy is to oppose the present caste system and untouchability and it tries to do it first within itself by eating together and socializing among the group. A large core of the RSS workers is neither Brahman nor bania (Vaishy) but the rest of the Hindu samaj .RSS subscribes to the Indian nationalism. According to its definition Indian nationalism means that anybody born in the India is an Indian first and then one could be Jew, Christian, Muslim, or Hindu. It means the person has the good of mother India at heart and considers India one´s homeland .If the person does not subscribe to the above then India is, in the eyes of RSS, better off without such person. Persons like Gandhi and Patel praised the organization for its volunteer work. It does not subscribe to the absolute ahimsa of Gandhi who on the occasion of second world war advised the British foolishly to lie on the ground and take the bombs from the German war-macht.RSS does believe that in the face of ruthless enemy bent on destroying you and your nation it is better to fight than compromise. Compromise only delays the ultimate fight. BJP is a secular political party which has many of the same philosophical tenets as the RSS but its emphasis is on the governing of the nation .It agrees with basic structure of the Indian constitution and the fundamental rights of all Indian citizens ,one state one set of rules and laws for all its citizens. Out of fifty years of independent India BJP was a dominant partner in the central government for only five years with a compromised common minimum program. Its record is much better than any five years of the congress regime. Hindu/Hindutva is a modern word for the eighty percent of the people of India. According the Indian Supreme Court decision Hidutva is an essence of or quality of being Hindu; a set core belief of eighty percent of the people of India. One of the core beliefs is the coexistence with all people and non aggression and free practice of all belief systems without one imposing on the other. This tolerance is the gift of Hinduism to the other Indic religions (Jainism and the Buddhism) Only Abrhamic (Jews, Christian and Muslim) religions insist about their unique and only way of salvation. Because of this `live let live´ core belief there were no religious wars in the history of India compared to the bloody religious wars in the history of west and the mideast. Hindus, contrary to your assertion, do criticize themselves as well as the Hindu religion. Out of eight ethical philosophies of grand Hinduism one is the Charvak philosophy which is complete anti-thesis of the other seven is accommodated in Hinduism. Practically all the English press and TV channels are owned and largely operated by Hindus but they are the strongest critics of Hindus, BJP and RSS which you yourself grudgingly admit in the last paragraph of your blog.
I would also like to make you aware through US constitution and/or federalist papers that US constitution writers created separation of the church and
the state. They were aware of the bloody persecution visited by one faction or the other of Christianity( Mary the queen of Scott) With some of this
rudimentary knowledge I want to disabuse you(a professor of political science) of the notion that US is a Christian State. Everyone here is an immigrant except the practically extinct native red Indians. Your rant about sending the American Hindu citizens who criticize either the American government policies or some other aspects of American society to their country of origin is so childish that it is beneath contempt and does not deserve a reply. Your panegyrical statement concerning the effect of British and Christian influence on the fate of modern India is ludicrous. Nobody knows for sure the
alternative scenario of history but it could not have been any worse. XXXXÂ has given you ample British official documentation that British authorities
reported as early as 1838 that Madras presidency had a much higher density of institutions of learning, teaching a large number of `dalits´ - ranging forty
to sixty percent - than the `great´ Britain itself. It is pathetic that professor claimant nitpicks, calls it a lie, the colloquial flourish of Hindu American Foundation´ claim of representing the interest of the two million American Hindus. If you call it a lie then practically all your claims in the letter are lies. With this logic President Bush claim of representing three hundred million Americans is also a lie. Using 2001 census figures to prove your point is really pitiable.HAF did not exist in 2001. The Hindu population grew very significantly in the US since then to now 2006-7.The HAF is no different in lobbying for the American Hindu causes from you or many Christian organizations, your favorite FIACONA, business and other interest groups.
Your response about a Christian dalit phenomena is a clssic´Blame the Victim´ technique; Blame the caste system of the Hindus for this .Great response
Herr Professor. In converting the gullible, simple people into your fold you have told them that they will be sitting with you in sharing the fruits equally
of your creed. So why do they need the reservation. If it was the evil of the Hindu society then the remedy of reservation should also be limited to only
Hindu victims.
You have the Gobblessian tendency to define your adversaries with lies and then keep on repeating them ad nauseam and hope that they get accepted but
herr professor those days are gone when you could get away. You create a straw man and masquerade as a scholar. Most of your arguments and data are either
misleading or lacking in credibility. You have, clever by half, tried to convert your pathological hatred of Hindus by disguising it as an opinions of others including your students and then hiding behind Capitalized sentence claiming you don´t share it. You have used despicable Nixonian ploy; I will never say my opponent was traveling with a blonde when the car plunged in the creek. According to you, people living in glass houses should not throw stones. If you can ridicule elephant headed god a Hindu can also talk of Immaculate Conception, parting the sea, resurrection of the long dead turned into dust, eating the flesh and drinking the blood of a human in the Eucharist feast, incest committing biblical prophet, etc.
I hope you do not get more deluded in your retirement. Cheers
-YYYYYYYYYYYYY
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A REJOINDER TO DR.RAJU GEORGE THOMAS´ GOSPEL
Dear Professor Thomas:
I had a chance to read your e-mail correspondence with XXXXX. I did not come across in XXXX´s e-mail to you anywhere anything against Christianity of the synoptic Gospels or against the person of Jesus as you allege in your missive. XXXX´s complaint is primarily against either coerced or fraudulent conversion of the tribals and simple people living in the deep hinterland of India by foreign evangelical Christian missionaries for which he has given ample documentation including the expose´ of the great "Mother Theresa" by Hitchens. These coercions include verbal and or written denigration of the faith of the natives and in bygone era physical cruelty including torture and the death of the heathen
Going through your exchanges it is apparent to even my sixth grader Christian grandson that you are no professor but a bigoted Christian fundamentalist lay preacher huckster in the mold of Pat Robertson speaking on the 700 club. It will be pointless to rebut your screed point by point because it is so far
outfield to have any resemblance with the facts. I guess, people like you do live in your own world, a world devoid of reason and realty. But I will rebut
some of your more outlandish assertions in the vain hope that you do love the honorific of professor ahead of your name.
Reading a letter in the letter section of one Thomas in a recent issue of India Abroad (Jan 5, 2007) I wondered, whether you are his doppelganger suffering from the same paranoid schizophrenia as he does. Leave apart some loonies on both side of the aisle which incidentally, always present in every period and in every nation these are the facts about some of your pet peeves. RSS is the largest voluntary non political organization in the world doing selfless service all over India helping in the earthquakes, tsunami relief and day to day calamities, for example, it was the first to reach to the site of the recent plane disaster carrying Muslim pilgrimage to Haj tending the wounded and burying the dead with dignity and providing the succor to the bereaved. Its stated organizational policy is to oppose the present caste system and untouchability and it tries to do it first within itself by eating together and socializing among the group. A large core of the RSS workers is neither Brahman nor bania (Vaishy) but the rest of the Hindu samaj .RSS subscribes to the Indian nationalism. According to its definition Indian nationalism means that anybody born in the India is an Indian first and then one could be Jew, Christian, Muslim, or Hindu. It means the person has the good of mother India at heart and considers India one´s homeland .If the person does not subscribe to the above then India is, in the eyes of RSS, better off without such person. Persons like Gandhi and Patel praised the organization for its volunteer work. It does not subscribe to the absolute ahimsa of Gandhi who on the occasion of second world war advised the British foolishly to lie on the ground and take the bombs from the German war-macht.RSS does believe that in the face of ruthless enemy bent on destroying you and your nation it is better to fight than compromise. Compromise only delays the ultimate fight. BJP is a secular political party which has many of the same philosophical tenets as the RSS but its emphasis is on the governing of the nation .It agrees with basic structure of the Indian constitution and the fundamental rights of all Indian citizens ,one state one set of rules and laws for all its citizens. Out of fifty years of independent India BJP was a dominant partner in the central government for only five years with a compromised common minimum program. Its record is much better than any five years of the congress regime. Hindu/Hindutva is a modern word for the eighty percent of the people of India. According the Indian Supreme Court decision Hidutva is an essence of or quality of being Hindu; a set core belief of eighty percent of the people of India. One of the core beliefs is the coexistence with all people and non aggression and free practice of all belief systems without one imposing on the other. This tolerance is the gift of Hinduism to the other Indic religions (Jainism and the Buddhism) Only Abrhamic (Jews, Christian and Muslim) religions insist about their unique and only way of salvation. Because of this `live let live´ core belief there were no religious wars in the history of India compared to the bloody religious wars in the history of west and the mideast. Hindus, contrary to your assertion, do criticize themselves as well as the Hindu religion. Out of eight ethical philosophies of grand Hinduism one is the Charvak philosophy which is complete anti-thesis of the other seven is accommodated in Hinduism. Practically all the English press and TV channels are owned and largely operated by Hindus but they are the strongest critics of Hindus, BJP and RSS which you yourself grudgingly admit in the last paragraph of your blog.
I would also like to make you aware through US constitution and/or federalist papers that US constitution writers created separation of the church and
the state. They were aware of the bloody persecution visited by one faction or the other of Christianity( Mary the queen of Scott) With some of this
rudimentary knowledge I want to disabuse you(a professor of political science) of the notion that US is a Christian State. Everyone here is an immigrant except the practically extinct native red Indians. Your rant about sending the American Hindu citizens who criticize either the American government policies or some other aspects of American society to their country of origin is so childish that it is beneath contempt and does not deserve a reply. Your panegyrical statement concerning the effect of British and Christian influence on the fate of modern India is ludicrous. Nobody knows for sure the
alternative scenario of history but it could not have been any worse. XXXXÂ has given you ample British official documentation that British authorities
reported as early as 1838 that Madras presidency had a much higher density of institutions of learning, teaching a large number of `dalits´ - ranging forty
to sixty percent - than the `great´ Britain itself. It is pathetic that professor claimant nitpicks, calls it a lie, the colloquial flourish of Hindu American Foundation´ claim of representing the interest of the two million American Hindus. If you call it a lie then practically all your claims in the letter are lies. With this logic President Bush claim of representing three hundred million Americans is also a lie. Using 2001 census figures to prove your point is really pitiable.HAF did not exist in 2001. The Hindu population grew very significantly in the US since then to now 2006-7.The HAF is no different in lobbying for the American Hindu causes from you or many Christian organizations, your favorite FIACONA, business and other interest groups.
Your response about a Christian dalit phenomena is a clssic´Blame the Victim´ technique; Blame the caste system of the Hindus for this .Great response
Herr Professor. In converting the gullible, simple people into your fold you have told them that they will be sitting with you in sharing the fruits equally
of your creed. So why do they need the reservation. If it was the evil of the Hindu society then the remedy of reservation should also be limited to only
Hindu victims.
You have the Gobblessian tendency to define your adversaries with lies and then keep on repeating them ad nauseam and hope that they get accepted but
herr professor those days are gone when you could get away. You create a straw man and masquerade as a scholar. Most of your arguments and data are either
misleading or lacking in credibility. You have, clever by half, tried to convert your pathological hatred of Hindus by disguising it as an opinions of others including your students and then hiding behind Capitalized sentence claiming you don´t share it. You have used despicable Nixonian ploy; I will never say my opponent was traveling with a blonde when the car plunged in the creek. According to you, people living in glass houses should not throw stones. If you can ridicule elephant headed god a Hindu can also talk of Immaculate Conception, parting the sea, resurrection of the long dead turned into dust, eating the flesh and drinking the blood of a human in the Eucharist feast, incest committing biblical prophet, etc.
I hope you do not get more deluded in your retirement. Cheers
-YYYYYYYYYYYYY
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