<!--QuoteBegin-rajesh_g+Jan 12 2007, 04:30 AM-->QUOTE(rajesh_g @ Jan 12 2007, 04:30 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->protestants i guess. maybe this conversation belongs to the faith+diplomacy thread. wonder what the desi-commie-nuts think about this ?
<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Jan 11 2007, 02:03 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Viren @ Jan 11 2007, 02:03 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The kind who puts his own neck ahead of Jesus<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mr. Chavez announced he would expel missionaries from New Tribes Mission (NTM), a Florida-based organization that has provided Bible translation and humanitarian relief in remote regions of Venezuela for nearly 60 years.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->http://www.ntm.org/about/[right][snapback]62983[/snapback][/right]
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->The NTM is among the most, if not the most, notorious of missionary organisations working today. It works like the christian conquistadors in the Americas did (catholic) and the early christians (orthodox, catholic) who forcibly converted the Greeks and Romans. So, in a way, it's the most christian of the lot, sticking to the 'traditional' conversion methods that have worked like a charm in the past. The NTM is protestant.
If Chavez expelled these christoterrorists, then that's something I agree with him on.
http://freetruth.50webs.org/D4a.htm#NTM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>The New Tribes Mission (NTM): operating wherever there are still unconverted indigenous people</b>
This agency, spreading the Good News in South America and elswhere,
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->...is one of many fundamentalist christian missions that is trying to peddle its message to vulnerable groups, in this case the remaining tribal peoples of the world. It sets itself the ambitious and frightening target of continuing with this "until the last tribe is reached". It is active in nineteen countries.
The role of a missionary is to infiltrate a tribe, and convince or coerce them into rejecting their own indigenous spiritual beliefs in favour of the christian church. Many times much more than this is lost, as people are 'educated' by missionaries, or missionary activity is the harbinger of further economic development. Indigenous people find themselves suddenly brought in to the global economy with a bump, totally exploitable and the bottom of a pile. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><b>Abuse, genocide</b> and round-ups of indigenous people who are unwilling to convert:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Sporadic stories of abuse from the NTM have been emerging for years, despite the fact that most of their activities take place well hidden from outside scrutiny. Many stories have come from the rainforests of South America where the missionaries found that the only ways to convert nomadic communities was to force them into camps, or reservations, driving out into the forest to roundup those who do not come.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->These mission procedures to round-up and capture non-Christian South American people for conversion are referred to as <b>manhunts</b>.
Once again, <b>Christianity colludes with dictators and causes genocide by introducing diseases</b> (purposefully as always):<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In Paraguay, the NTM acted in collusion with the dictator Stroessner, for who the policy of settlement camps and conversion fitted in nicely with his plans for opening up the forest to mining and logging interests.
The NTM are also accused of killing many more people, for example the Ayoreo, also of Paraguay, by bringing western diseases into the area.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><b>From:</b> New Tribes Mission http://www.eco-action.org/mission/ntm.html
This is the same <i>New Tribes Mission</i> which the Venezuelan president Chavez banned from his country, accusing them of spying for the US government and of mistreating the native Indians horribly:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"They will leave Venezuela," said the president. "They are agents of imperialist penetration. They gather sensitive and strategic information and are exploiting the Indians. So they will leave, and I don't care two hoots about the international consequences that this decision could bring."
..."I have seen reports and videos on the activity of these New Tribes. We don't want them here; we all form part of an old tribe," Chávez quipped.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The Venezuelan government changed the highly controversial celebration of Columbus Day (which had led to the Christian genocide of the Natives of the Americas) into Day of Indigenous Resistance. Chavez is the same person that fundy televangelist Pat Robertson wanted assassinated.<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The controversial group [NTM] has been <b>accused of prospecting for strategic minerals on behalf of transnational corporations</b> and of the <b>forced acculturation and conversion of indigenous people</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><b>From:</b> NTM Missionaries Kicked Out http://www.eco-action.org/ssp/news/16100501.html<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Viren+Jan 11 2007, 02:03 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Viren @ Jan 11 2007, 02:03 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->The kind who puts his own neck ahead of Jesus<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Mr. Chavez announced he would expel missionaries from New Tribes Mission (NTM), a Florida-based organization that has provided Bible translation and humanitarian relief in remote regions of Venezuela for nearly 60 years.
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->http://www.ntm.org/about/[right][snapback]62983[/snapback][/right]
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->The NTM is among the most, if not the most, notorious of missionary organisations working today. It works like the christian conquistadors in the Americas did (catholic) and the early christians (orthodox, catholic) who forcibly converted the Greeks and Romans. So, in a way, it's the most christian of the lot, sticking to the 'traditional' conversion methods that have worked like a charm in the past. The NTM is protestant.
If Chavez expelled these christoterrorists, then that's something I agree with him on.
http://freetruth.50webs.org/D4a.htm#NTM
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> <b>The New Tribes Mission (NTM): operating wherever there are still unconverted indigenous people</b>
This agency, spreading the Good News in South America and elswhere,
<!--QuoteBegin--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->...is one of many fundamentalist christian missions that is trying to peddle its message to vulnerable groups, in this case the remaining tribal peoples of the world. It sets itself the ambitious and frightening target of continuing with this "until the last tribe is reached". It is active in nineteen countries.
The role of a missionary is to infiltrate a tribe, and convince or coerce them into rejecting their own indigenous spiritual beliefs in favour of the christian church. Many times much more than this is lost, as people are 'educated' by missionaries, or missionary activity is the harbinger of further economic development. Indigenous people find themselves suddenly brought in to the global economy with a bump, totally exploitable and the bottom of a pile. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><b>Abuse, genocide</b> and round-ups of indigenous people who are unwilling to convert:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Sporadic stories of abuse from the NTM have been emerging for years, despite the fact that most of their activities take place well hidden from outside scrutiny. Many stories have come from the rainforests of South America where the missionaries found that the only ways to convert nomadic communities was to force them into camps, or reservations, driving out into the forest to roundup those who do not come.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->These mission procedures to round-up and capture non-Christian South American people for conversion are referred to as <b>manhunts</b>.
Once again, <b>Christianity colludes with dictators and causes genocide by introducing diseases</b> (purposefully as always):<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->In Paraguay, the NTM acted in collusion with the dictator Stroessner, for who the policy of settlement camps and conversion fitted in nicely with his plans for opening up the forest to mining and logging interests.
The NTM are also accused of killing many more people, for example the Ayoreo, also of Paraguay, by bringing western diseases into the area.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><b>From:</b> New Tribes Mission http://www.eco-action.org/mission/ntm.html
This is the same <i>New Tribes Mission</i> which the Venezuelan president Chavez banned from his country, accusing them of spying for the US government and of mistreating the native Indians horribly:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"They will leave Venezuela," said the president. "They are agents of imperialist penetration. They gather sensitive and strategic information and are exploiting the Indians. So they will leave, and I don't care two hoots about the international consequences that this decision could bring."
..."I have seen reports and videos on the activity of these New Tribes. We don't want them here; we all form part of an old tribe," Chávez quipped.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The Venezuelan government changed the highly controversial celebration of Columbus Day (which had led to the Christian genocide of the Natives of the Americas) into Day of Indigenous Resistance. Chavez is the same person that fundy televangelist Pat Robertson wanted assassinated.<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The controversial group [NTM] has been <b>accused of prospecting for strategic minerals on behalf of transnational corporations</b> and of the <b>forced acculturation and conversion of indigenous people</b>.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><b>From:</b> NTM Missionaries Kicked Out http://www.eco-action.org/ssp/news/16100501.html<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->