Kim Barker's yap track:<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Hindu fundamentalist groups praise hitler's leadership skills. A college poll a few years ago showed he was perceived as an ideal leader. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Interesting. Is waf-waf-Barker referring to the Times of India 2002 'poll' on how 17% of students at colleges in Mumbai voted hitler as some kind of ideal leader?
Ignore the dubiousness of the christo TOI poll, and give it some credence for the moment. (But see also http://www.prashantkothari.com/archives/2003_07.html - which unfortunately does not expand on the matter.)
Now how did she equate 'Indian colleges' with a general slander on <i>Hindu</i> opinion?
Either on IF or on IIDB (Internet infidels) or - less likely - another forum long ago, I read an Indian girl's post on what the TOI poll concealed: the listing of the colleges themselves. About 10 or so colleges were listed and as anyone with half a brain can expect, most of these had very christian sounding names.
I spent quite a few hours today trying to track that elusive page down. No luck. Instead I have had to content myself with what seems a shorter list of college names. Still the sample is indicative of what I had seen. I found it by sheer coincidence, as the html itself is curiously broken (even if the page loads and displays) and that's probably why it does not turn up in google in a direct search.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/artic...382342.cms
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>hitler as Hero: Society Without a Moral Compass</b>
A recent poll in this newspaper of young students in elite institutions across the country revealed a startling finding â 17 per cent favoured Adolf hitler as the kind of leader India ought to have.
Ahead of him, paradoxically, Mahatma Gandhi, the choice of 23 per cent and Atal Behari Vajpayee, 20 per cent. Does the placement of hitler, above Subhas Bose, Abraham Lincoln and Nelson Mandela mean anything? Is it an indicator of a moral vacuity of the students surveyed from colleges like St Stephen's and Lady Shri Ram, Delhi, St Xavier's Mumbai, Presidency College Kolkata, Mount Carmel and Christ College, Bangalore?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Now, correct me if I'm wrong. There's quite a few decidedly christian schools in there. Then there's Presidency college which sounds at least colonial. And <i>Lady</i> Shri Ram? Am I missing something. Rama was a male as every Hindu knows. And why the colonial-sounding 'Lady'? Is it a secular school with a pseudo-Hindu name?
Yes, Kim Barker would do well to expand on the poll she so briefly mentions. It seems the Indian (religious-affiliation unknown) students brainwashed by the Christians and seculars in these christo-influenced schools are confused enough to praise the christo hitler.
And can we have the individual poll results grouped by college, please? What was hitler's ranking in the Christo schools? And was he ranked <i>anywhere</i> at all in the Hindu schools (if any) tested? This would be an interesting bit of information wouldn't it - for all, but those seeking the truth. So why was it neglected?
Now, the next thing for an investigative journalist to do (that rules out Kim no-nose-for-the-scent Barker) is to check out whether the looneys owning that 'hitler' restaurant and making those hitler items are actually Hindus or only secularists educated at such schools or are crypto-christos still holding onto their Hindu names.
Anti-semitism and hitler-admiration is after all a christoislamic tendency. It's hard to pin that one on us, when we're possibly the only nation where the majority is whole-heartedly rooting for Israel (it's another matter that our pro-christoislamic communist government only grudgingly recognises the Jewish state).
But to Kim Barker and her editors, it seems that Indian colleges become 'Hindu(tva) centres' if would-be polls like this give out shocking and sensationalist results.
I have a question, how come this story - with so many coincidendally connecting dots - has made the news? The vague poll from 2002, the very recent news on that pathetic restaurant which made international rounds - it's all so miraculous.
Why does this beat out other stories? And why does it all seem so convenient and terribly contrived? In a nation of nigh on a billion people, a few psecoolar psychos are enough to blame the Hindu masses?
Surprise. Shock. It's already posted on communalism.blogspot of course and the trigger-happy forum for American christos at freerepooblic, and a few islamic sites besides.
Is someone paying greedy p-secoolar people to set up 'hitler' themed restaurants and items just so these things make the headlines and can add a new dimension (anti-semitism/pro-fascism) to a spiel about 'India's alarming rate of escalating 'Hindutva' ' (though there's nothing Hindu about the events Kim Barker lists). Ahead of elections too. Maybe they hope to flesh it out some more just before the BJP takes the stand to make a speech.
Hopefully by that time, we'll have prepared a list of all the christo schools who voted hitler into 'ideal leader'. And a list of all the budding neo-nazi christian centres in the US who believe they are Oryan christos following the Oryan jeebus. Now that's something that can easily be substantiated, and for which copious evidence can be given. No need for a vague article by journalist-wannabees like Barker to put that info out with the evening newspaper.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Those who believe strongly in the caste system of India also may like hitler's eugenics and race beliefs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Bad move on Kim Barker's part. Now I have to retaliate and mention her own cherished terrorist beliefs which she shares with hitler. The caste system has nothing to do with hitler, the organisation of his military or his visions. The good ole christo US of A was already going strong with their eugenics programme when hitler got inspired by them. So Barker need look no further than her own Good-Christian backyard:
http://www.bethuneinstitute.org/documents/...connection.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Throughout the pre-war period, there was considerable influence of American eugenics policy on Nazi racial policy.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Next. The organisation of hitler's troops was directly copied from Church hierarchy as hitler himself stated. And the church proudly responded -
http://freetruth.50webs.org/Appendix2.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Bishop of Berlin in his speech: "Permit me to compare our sisters with the SA!" (a paramilitary Nazi troop). <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->From vague recollections of history class, SA = schutzabteilung, literally 'defense division' - one of the nazi military depts.
And let's not forget the christo feudal (casta) society, which was rigid and unforgiving:
(1) Aristocracy from where the knights came. Ze 'blue blood' was inherited and only the gawd-appointed king could ever appoint a non-aristocrat to this class.
(2) Geistlichen: the christian priests - all those in power in the church were also from the artistocracy. Peasant priests were kept even more illiterate and did the menial duties for the church.
(3) Serfs, or to put it more politely: the peasantry. They were no better off than slaves. They did not own the land they toiled on and could be killed whenever the upper casta aristocrats/priests willed it.
It is clear that the terrible christo casta system of hitler's own christo-Germany and christo-Europe was his great inspiration. Again, Kim Barker ought to look in her own christo-ancestral back-yard.
Hindu society bears no similarities to her terrorist religion which inspired the fervent christo hitler.
As for racism, well, that's a wholly christoislamic thing. ( http://freetruth.50webs.org/A4b.htm ) We know slavery of Africans was entirely christian in origin in christian Europe, and of islamic origin in the Jihadi empire.
So there's no need for Kim to try and shift the blame onto people who have had nothing to do with this or anything like it.
One thing is clear from reading her ... writing. Besides her beloved religion, Barker has more things in common with hitler: hitler also believed people would buy big lies. Although it works on gullible christos, who are only all too willing to believe fascism did not derive from christianity, it's wasted on us.
The only good thing we can say about hitler is that he's dead.
Did I just gloat over a dead man? Yupp. And I'd do it again in a flash.
<b>EDIT:</b>
More brazen comedy. In the same TOI page ( http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/artic...82342.cms) that states Hitler was voted in by 17% of the students surveyed in predominantly christian schools and questions:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Is it an indicator of a moral vacuity of the students surveyed from colleges like St Stephen's and Lady Shri Ram, Delhi, St Xavier's Mumbai, Presidency College Kolkata, Mount Carmel and Christ College, Bangalore?
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->the writer makes a huge leap, thinking a few paragraphs of separation will make us forget the above, and writes:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It is unlikely that the students chose Hitler as a figure to admire because they are moral monsters. Their problem is that they have been fed on a diet, some of it emanating in groups or people linked to the <i>sangh parivar</i>, that Hitler represented efficiency, discipline and nationalism, commodities allegedly in short supply in India. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Umm, the sangh parivar is not giving them their education. It's not the one teaching them history, hitler and stuff. And for the Hindu children, it's not their Hindu parents either, most of whom might not know anything about hitler.
It's the christo (or p-sec) schools. And it follows that that's where their opinions on hitler is emanating.
Ignore the dubiousness of the christo TOI poll, and give it some credence for the moment. (But see also http://www.prashantkothari.com/archives/2003_07.html - which unfortunately does not expand on the matter.)
Now how did she equate 'Indian colleges' with a general slander on <i>Hindu</i> opinion?
Either on IF or on IIDB (Internet infidels) or - less likely - another forum long ago, I read an Indian girl's post on what the TOI poll concealed: the listing of the colleges themselves. About 10 or so colleges were listed and as anyone with half a brain can expect, most of these had very christian sounding names.
I spent quite a few hours today trying to track that elusive page down. No luck. Instead I have had to content myself with what seems a shorter list of college names. Still the sample is indicative of what I had seen. I found it by sheer coincidence, as the html itself is curiously broken (even if the page loads and displays) and that's probably why it does not turn up in google in a direct search.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/artic...382342.cms
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>hitler as Hero: Society Without a Moral Compass</b>
A recent poll in this newspaper of young students in elite institutions across the country revealed a startling finding â 17 per cent favoured Adolf hitler as the kind of leader India ought to have.
Ahead of him, paradoxically, Mahatma Gandhi, the choice of 23 per cent and Atal Behari Vajpayee, 20 per cent. Does the placement of hitler, above Subhas Bose, Abraham Lincoln and Nelson Mandela mean anything? Is it an indicator of a moral vacuity of the students surveyed from colleges like St Stephen's and Lady Shri Ram, Delhi, St Xavier's Mumbai, Presidency College Kolkata, Mount Carmel and Christ College, Bangalore?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Now, correct me if I'm wrong. There's quite a few decidedly christian schools in there. Then there's Presidency college which sounds at least colonial. And <i>Lady</i> Shri Ram? Am I missing something. Rama was a male as every Hindu knows. And why the colonial-sounding 'Lady'? Is it a secular school with a pseudo-Hindu name?
Yes, Kim Barker would do well to expand on the poll she so briefly mentions. It seems the Indian (religious-affiliation unknown) students brainwashed by the Christians and seculars in these christo-influenced schools are confused enough to praise the christo hitler.
And can we have the individual poll results grouped by college, please? What was hitler's ranking in the Christo schools? And was he ranked <i>anywhere</i> at all in the Hindu schools (if any) tested? This would be an interesting bit of information wouldn't it - for all, but those seeking the truth. So why was it neglected?
Now, the next thing for an investigative journalist to do (that rules out Kim no-nose-for-the-scent Barker) is to check out whether the looneys owning that 'hitler' restaurant and making those hitler items are actually Hindus or only secularists educated at such schools or are crypto-christos still holding onto their Hindu names.
Anti-semitism and hitler-admiration is after all a christoislamic tendency. It's hard to pin that one on us, when we're possibly the only nation where the majority is whole-heartedly rooting for Israel (it's another matter that our pro-christoislamic communist government only grudgingly recognises the Jewish state).
But to Kim Barker and her editors, it seems that Indian colleges become 'Hindu(tva) centres' if would-be polls like this give out shocking and sensationalist results.
I have a question, how come this story - with so many coincidendally connecting dots - has made the news? The vague poll from 2002, the very recent news on that pathetic restaurant which made international rounds - it's all so miraculous.
Why does this beat out other stories? And why does it all seem so convenient and terribly contrived? In a nation of nigh on a billion people, a few psecoolar psychos are enough to blame the Hindu masses?
Surprise. Shock. It's already posted on communalism.blogspot of course and the trigger-happy forum for American christos at freerepooblic, and a few islamic sites besides.
Is someone paying greedy p-secoolar people to set up 'hitler' themed restaurants and items just so these things make the headlines and can add a new dimension (anti-semitism/pro-fascism) to a spiel about 'India's alarming rate of escalating 'Hindutva' ' (though there's nothing Hindu about the events Kim Barker lists). Ahead of elections too. Maybe they hope to flesh it out some more just before the BJP takes the stand to make a speech.
Hopefully by that time, we'll have prepared a list of all the christo schools who voted hitler into 'ideal leader'. And a list of all the budding neo-nazi christian centres in the US who believe they are Oryan christos following the Oryan jeebus. Now that's something that can easily be substantiated, and for which copious evidence can be given. No need for a vague article by journalist-wannabees like Barker to put that info out with the evening newspaper.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Those who believe strongly in the caste system of India also may like hitler's eugenics and race beliefs.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Bad move on Kim Barker's part. Now I have to retaliate and mention her own cherished terrorist beliefs which she shares with hitler. The caste system has nothing to do with hitler, the organisation of his military or his visions. The good ole christo US of A was already going strong with their eugenics programme when hitler got inspired by them. So Barker need look no further than her own Good-Christian backyard:
http://www.bethuneinstitute.org/documents/...connection.html
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Throughout the pre-war period, there was considerable influence of American eugenics policy on Nazi racial policy.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Next. The organisation of hitler's troops was directly copied from Church hierarchy as hitler himself stated. And the church proudly responded -
http://freetruth.50webs.org/Appendix2.htm
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->The Bishop of Berlin in his speech: "Permit me to compare our sisters with the SA!" (a paramilitary Nazi troop). <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->From vague recollections of history class, SA = schutzabteilung, literally 'defense division' - one of the nazi military depts.
And let's not forget the christo feudal (casta) society, which was rigid and unforgiving:
(1) Aristocracy from where the knights came. Ze 'blue blood' was inherited and only the gawd-appointed king could ever appoint a non-aristocrat to this class.
(2) Geistlichen: the christian priests - all those in power in the church were also from the artistocracy. Peasant priests were kept even more illiterate and did the menial duties for the church.
(3) Serfs, or to put it more politely: the peasantry. They were no better off than slaves. They did not own the land they toiled on and could be killed whenever the upper casta aristocrats/priests willed it.
It is clear that the terrible christo casta system of hitler's own christo-Germany and christo-Europe was his great inspiration. Again, Kim Barker ought to look in her own christo-ancestral back-yard.
Hindu society bears no similarities to her terrorist religion which inspired the fervent christo hitler.
As for racism, well, that's a wholly christoislamic thing. ( http://freetruth.50webs.org/A4b.htm ) We know slavery of Africans was entirely christian in origin in christian Europe, and of islamic origin in the Jihadi empire.
So there's no need for Kim to try and shift the blame onto people who have had nothing to do with this or anything like it.
One thing is clear from reading her ... writing. Besides her beloved religion, Barker has more things in common with hitler: hitler also believed people would buy big lies. Although it works on gullible christos, who are only all too willing to believe fascism did not derive from christianity, it's wasted on us.
The only good thing we can say about hitler is that he's dead.
Did I just gloat over a dead man? Yupp. And I'd do it again in a flash.
<b>EDIT:</b>
More brazen comedy. In the same TOI page ( http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/artic...82342.cms) that states Hitler was voted in by 17% of the students surveyed in predominantly christian schools and questions:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Is it an indicator of a moral vacuity of the students surveyed from colleges like St Stephen's and Lady Shri Ram, Delhi, St Xavier's Mumbai, Presidency College Kolkata, Mount Carmel and Christ College, Bangalore?
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->the writer makes a huge leap, thinking a few paragraphs of separation will make us forget the above, and writes:
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->It is unlikely that the students chose Hitler as a figure to admire because they are moral monsters. Their problem is that they have been fed on a diet, some of it emanating in groups or people linked to the <i>sangh parivar</i>, that Hitler represented efficiency, discipline and nationalism, commodities allegedly in short supply in India. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->Umm, the sangh parivar is not giving them their education. It's not the one teaching them history, hitler and stuff. And for the Hindu children, it's not their Hindu parents either, most of whom might not know anything about hitler.
It's the christo (or p-sec) schools. And it follows that that's where their opinions on hitler is emanating.