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<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Feb 21 2007, 09:00 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Feb 21 2007, 09:00 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->British had very good experience in colonizing countries. They had used old trick in Iraq. ... Look at India, India is still mentally slave of West.[right][snapback]64781[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->This reminds me. Anyone here catch all of the <b>Doha Debates</b> broadcast by BBC World?
Doha Debates: 'debates' held in Doha (Qatar) on whether western-style democracy had its merits and whether the Middle-East would benefit from its introduction. The main speakers/debators were all Middle-Eastern and all affirmed they were muslim at some point during the debates. There was a BBC presenter in the centre asking questions and a speaker who wasn't for western democracy on one side and a woman ('Mona' or something) who was. The audience also contained a bunch of people that were supposed to span the whole spectrum (but not representative of the population proportion-wise, since then a greater number of rigidly islamic people should have been present). Even the Danish cartoons were discussed.
And of the two transmissions I saw, the programme ended with more people clapping for the 'progressive' Mona (without veil, of course) than the opposing speaker. Felt rather doctored and unlikely. Bet most in the Middle-East didn't even watch this English-language programme. And also that if they had watched and understood it, most would have totally disapproved.
There were islamics from the Indian subcontinent, from Africa, and African-Americans too in the audience. Very contrived picture of a 'multi-ethnic islam in the middle-east.'
Mona's position on the Danish cartoons was also interesting. It's been a while back since I watched it, but I think her argument was along the lines of 'As a devout muslim, I too felt insulted and offended. But then I thought, our reaction to this is exactly what led to those cartoons/what those cartoons are portraying.'
Maybe this 'Mona', or whatever her name was, is the beginning of Middle-Eastern Macaulayism. Leastways, couldn't help thinking it when I was watching the saga. (A few decades later, Mona's replacement will be arguing that she is not islamic and presenting psecularism. Although, I can't say that in this context of islamic countries, that would be a bad thing... Actually, fake secularism is the same as christoislamism. So it's only true pluralism that wouldn't be a bad thing.)
<b>ADDED:</b>
Googling on: youtube "Doha Debates"
http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=you...ebates%22&meta=
There's videos uploaded of a few of the topics in these 'debates'.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mudy+Feb 21 2007, 09:00 AM-->QUOTE(Mudy @ Feb 21 2007, 09:00 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->British had very good experience in colonizing countries. They had used old trick in Iraq. ... Look at India, India is still mentally slave of West.[right][snapback]64781[/snapback][/right]<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->This reminds me. Anyone here catch all of the <b>Doha Debates</b> broadcast by BBC World?
Doha Debates: 'debates' held in Doha (Qatar) on whether western-style democracy had its merits and whether the Middle-East would benefit from its introduction. The main speakers/debators were all Middle-Eastern and all affirmed they were muslim at some point during the debates. There was a BBC presenter in the centre asking questions and a speaker who wasn't for western democracy on one side and a woman ('Mona' or something) who was. The audience also contained a bunch of people that were supposed to span the whole spectrum (but not representative of the population proportion-wise, since then a greater number of rigidly islamic people should have been present). Even the Danish cartoons were discussed.
And of the two transmissions I saw, the programme ended with more people clapping for the 'progressive' Mona (without veil, of course) than the opposing speaker. Felt rather doctored and unlikely. Bet most in the Middle-East didn't even watch this English-language programme. And also that if they had watched and understood it, most would have totally disapproved.
There were islamics from the Indian subcontinent, from Africa, and African-Americans too in the audience. Very contrived picture of a 'multi-ethnic islam in the middle-east.'
Mona's position on the Danish cartoons was also interesting. It's been a while back since I watched it, but I think her argument was along the lines of 'As a devout muslim, I too felt insulted and offended. But then I thought, our reaction to this is exactly what led to those cartoons/what those cartoons are portraying.'
Maybe this 'Mona', or whatever her name was, is the beginning of Middle-Eastern Macaulayism. Leastways, couldn't help thinking it when I was watching the saga. (A few decades later, Mona's replacement will be arguing that she is not islamic and presenting psecularism. Although, I can't say that in this context of islamic countries, that would be a bad thing... Actually, fake secularism is the same as christoislamism. So it's only true pluralism that wouldn't be a bad thing.)
<b>ADDED:</b>
Googling on: youtube "Doha Debates"
http://www.google.co.nz/search?hl=en&q=you...ebates%22&meta=
There's videos uploaded of a few of the topics in these 'debates'.