07-08-2006, 03:12 PM
[quote=Husky,Jul 6 2006, 08:58 PM]
Post 60:
Persian influence on Roman Mithraism was not minor at all.
The third highest grade of the Mithraic initiation was Perses (Persian).
I did not say that persian religion didnt have any influence.I was meaning that in greco-roman world,the MIthra cult was mixed whit other religions.This is call sincretism.
Zalmoxis religion wasnt Zarathustra religion.
In zalmoxianism is no duality betwin good and bad like in parsi religion.
The funerary ritual was incineration whit the ashes put in urn or trown in a river ,while parsi practice exposure of body to birds.
Zarathustra was seen as a profet ,while Zalmoxes was profet,priest,king,god or even the suprem god,although the greek Strabon aserte that the suprem god of thracians have no name and no califications(atributes).
Zalmoxianism have a reincarnation concept while parsi have the uni-life concept.
His teachings are more similar whit pythagorean ones.In fact in many ways are identical.Also his teachings are link whit the thracian Orfeus the priest of god Dionyssos and the mistery cults.The main teaching was about obtaining the imortality.
The first grek mistery cults have base in the thracian cult of Dionissos.The Dionisos adepts(and similar zalmoxis adepts) beliving that they become one whit their god if they drink the sacred wine or others toxic plants and eating the flesh of a sacrificed animal.
Also was a human sacrifice call trei-sule(three spears)ritual ,in which the most pure man was trow and kill in 3 spears beliving that he was send as mesager to god.Later this practice was abandoned.
I find wikipedia a good and easy source of information even i so some wiki(wierd) things.fOr exemple it say that Zalmoxis lost cave is in Bucegi mountain.This hypothesis have no base.Is base by a suposition that the bUcegi Sfinx is a representation of Zalmoxis.The cave is more probable in the Surian mountains near holy river Sarmisegetusa.
In Iliad writed by Homer we find living in north Balkans a population call abioi(people whitout life).They are described as vegetarians,non-violent,whit boll heads(they shave their heads of course),whit no womens.The action of Iliad,the trojan war was in 1200BC,so we find monks similar whit buddhism monks but 600 years before the birth of Buddha.
When i was reading the book 'dacian religion'by Dan Oltean ,i find this amaizing similarites betwin mithraism and zalmoxian cult reformed by the great priest Dekaneios during the rule of king Burebhista.
The gods like Apollo,Ares,Dionissos are certain thracian gods borow by the greeks,and this is posible also for Zeus.To belive that the most numerous people in the world,exept the indians,acording to Herodot,living no influence on the greeks,especialy when they share the border whit them?
The greeks didnt need to look to the far east for pythagorean doctrines,when thay have thracians nearby.
Post 60:
Persian influence on Roman Mithraism was not minor at all.
The third highest grade of the Mithraic initiation was Perses (Persian).
I did not say that persian religion didnt have any influence.I was meaning that in greco-roman world,the MIthra cult was mixed whit other religions.This is call sincretism.
Zalmoxis religion wasnt Zarathustra religion.
In zalmoxianism is no duality betwin good and bad like in parsi religion.
The funerary ritual was incineration whit the ashes put in urn or trown in a river ,while parsi practice exposure of body to birds.
Zarathustra was seen as a profet ,while Zalmoxes was profet,priest,king,god or even the suprem god,although the greek Strabon aserte that the suprem god of thracians have no name and no califications(atributes).
Zalmoxianism have a reincarnation concept while parsi have the uni-life concept.
His teachings are more similar whit pythagorean ones.In fact in many ways are identical.Also his teachings are link whit the thracian Orfeus the priest of god Dionyssos and the mistery cults.The main teaching was about obtaining the imortality.
The first grek mistery cults have base in the thracian cult of Dionissos.The Dionisos adepts(and similar zalmoxis adepts) beliving that they become one whit their god if they drink the sacred wine or others toxic plants and eating the flesh of a sacrificed animal.
Also was a human sacrifice call trei-sule(three spears)ritual ,in which the most pure man was trow and kill in 3 spears beliving that he was send as mesager to god.Later this practice was abandoned.
I find wikipedia a good and easy source of information even i so some wiki(wierd) things.fOr exemple it say that Zalmoxis lost cave is in Bucegi mountain.This hypothesis have no base.Is base by a suposition that the bUcegi Sfinx is a representation of Zalmoxis.The cave is more probable in the Surian mountains near holy river Sarmisegetusa.
In Iliad writed by Homer we find living in north Balkans a population call abioi(people whitout life).They are described as vegetarians,non-violent,whit boll heads(they shave their heads of course),whit no womens.The action of Iliad,the trojan war was in 1200BC,so we find monks similar whit buddhism monks but 600 years before the birth of Buddha.
When i was reading the book 'dacian religion'by Dan Oltean ,i find this amaizing similarites betwin mithraism and zalmoxian cult reformed by the great priest Dekaneios during the rule of king Burebhista.
The gods like Apollo,Ares,Dionissos are certain thracian gods borow by the greeks,and this is posible also for Zeus.To belive that the most numerous people in the world,exept the indians,acording to Herodot,living no influence on the greeks,especialy when they share the border whit them?
The greeks didnt need to look to the far east for pythagorean doctrines,when thay have thracians nearby.