11-04-2005, 02:30 AM
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I spoke to a friend from Rajasthan and he told me that this is the usual tactic of the casteist morons at Jat forums. These at least are LEGITIMATE marriages between powerful ROYAL FAMILIES...there is a case of mutual respect here.
But Jat women were enjoyed for free by the Mughals and the earlier Turk invaders! Do you know how many concubines they had?? Thousands, all taken mostly from the Jat villagers who had no regard for their women's honor.
This is why Jats are looked down upon by Rajputs in Rajasthan and other places; their women never committed jauhar and thousands were taken away as slaves and concubines by Muslims.
And this is why Muslim Jats in Punjab are called TURKAZAN---illegitimate descendants of Turk fathers! Maybe this is why some Jats are so anxious to prove their foreign origin by the Saka-Kushan theory?
The whole point is that all communities contributed to Indian History in their own way, with what RESOURCES they had. And about this concubine stuff, again apologies to other Jats, but I could not respond personally and had to attack his community.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"After the death of Rajaram,... the new Raja of Amber(Jaipur), was appointed by the Emperor as faujdar of Mathura with special charge to root out Jats and take Sinsini as his own jagir. He gave the Emperor written undertaking....(details) and... Mughals stormed the fort after three hours of stubborn opposition. Jats disputed every inch of the ground and were dispersed only after losing 1500 of their men. On the imperial side 200 Mughals fell and 700 Rajputs were slain or wounded."
Do you have anything to say on that? Come on, even history textbooks praise Rajput andÂ
Mughal collaboration. Of course there was resistance too, thats why I said Rana pratap and Prithviraj... But struggle of Jats is either unknown or undermined by people who have psyche like you...
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I have plenty to say on that...it is thanks to the Rajas of Jaipur that the Jat family of Bharatpur came up. But those namak-harams joined the Mughal side when it was convenient.
You quote Qanungo and I'll quote Jadunath Sarkar: Churaman and 6000 Jats joined Sayyid Hussain of Barha in his invasion of Jaipur. But the Mughal-Jat ALLIANCE was defeated at Narnol by the Rajput alliance of Jaipur-Jodhpur-Udaipur. And again Suraj Mal joined the Mughal side and received titles from them. Jat struggle is unknown because Jats were farmers; they had no resources to fight back.
What you call alliance is nothing permanent it is called politics and it happens today also. Shias, Marathas, Sikhs, Rajputs, Mughals, Jats, Afghans all played politics. In fact it is thanks to the policies of Jaipur rulers that the Marathas were able to enter North India.
Now you will quote some instance of history to prove your point and I will quote other instances to prove my point. This will then become a pointless thread and hence Iâm not posting anymore on these casteist topics. Ciao baby!
I spoke to a friend from Rajasthan and he told me that this is the usual tactic of the casteist morons at Jat forums. These at least are LEGITIMATE marriages between powerful ROYAL FAMILIES...there is a case of mutual respect here.
But Jat women were enjoyed for free by the Mughals and the earlier Turk invaders! Do you know how many concubines they had?? Thousands, all taken mostly from the Jat villagers who had no regard for their women's honor.
This is why Jats are looked down upon by Rajputs in Rajasthan and other places; their women never committed jauhar and thousands were taken away as slaves and concubines by Muslims.
And this is why Muslim Jats in Punjab are called TURKAZAN---illegitimate descendants of Turk fathers! Maybe this is why some Jats are so anxious to prove their foreign origin by the Saka-Kushan theory?
The whole point is that all communities contributed to Indian History in their own way, with what RESOURCES they had. And about this concubine stuff, again apologies to other Jats, but I could not respond personally and had to attack his community.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->"After the death of Rajaram,... the new Raja of Amber(Jaipur), was appointed by the Emperor as faujdar of Mathura with special charge to root out Jats and take Sinsini as his own jagir. He gave the Emperor written undertaking....(details) and... Mughals stormed the fort after three hours of stubborn opposition. Jats disputed every inch of the ground and were dispersed only after losing 1500 of their men. On the imperial side 200 Mughals fell and 700 Rajputs were slain or wounded."
Do you have anything to say on that? Come on, even history textbooks praise Rajput andÂ
Mughal collaboration. Of course there was resistance too, thats why I said Rana pratap and Prithviraj... But struggle of Jats is either unknown or undermined by people who have psyche like you...
<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have plenty to say on that...it is thanks to the Rajas of Jaipur that the Jat family of Bharatpur came up. But those namak-harams joined the Mughal side when it was convenient.
You quote Qanungo and I'll quote Jadunath Sarkar: Churaman and 6000 Jats joined Sayyid Hussain of Barha in his invasion of Jaipur. But the Mughal-Jat ALLIANCE was defeated at Narnol by the Rajput alliance of Jaipur-Jodhpur-Udaipur. And again Suraj Mal joined the Mughal side and received titles from them. Jat struggle is unknown because Jats were farmers; they had no resources to fight back.
What you call alliance is nothing permanent it is called politics and it happens today also. Shias, Marathas, Sikhs, Rajputs, Mughals, Jats, Afghans all played politics. In fact it is thanks to the policies of Jaipur rulers that the Marathas were able to enter North India.
Now you will quote some instance of history to prove your point and I will quote other instances to prove my point. This will then become a pointless thread and hence Iâm not posting anymore on these casteist topics. Ciao baby!