11-03-2005, 04:56 AM
Hi, I am new member of this forum and I am interested in history. I was surprised to see posts in this thread. Guleriaji, you seem to proud of your clan, thats good, but your denigrating remarks for any other community is unwholesome for this forum. I didn't know pasting two picture could be used to argue a point. What you want to prove by that. About history of Rajputs, no body is blaming your ancestors personally when somebody is stating a historical fact. Its well known that some Rajputs supported Mughals, who was mother of Jahagir?... Its true that Raja of Jaipur fought against Bahratpur and took help of muslims... but we also know history of great people like Prithviraj Chauhan and Rana Pratap... And there is history of Jats fighting against Gazni... their struggle with Mughals is well-known to people... no one can deny that... But your personal hatred of one community can't change hostory and your points may sound baseless...
BTW, its factually wrong to say that Jats didn't protect region near Delhi... Haryana is almost empty of muslims... whereas everyone knows success of Sufism in Rajasthan... but still I am not passing any judgement on any ethnic group, everyone fought well. We should not read history selectively to justify our preassumed beliefs... Indians have history of fighting among ourselves, there was patriot like Rana Pratap and there was traitor like Jaichand... Sadly, you sound more like the later.
-Som
<!--QuoteBegin-PC Guleria+Oct 16 2005, 01:15 PM-->QUOTE(PC Guleria @ Oct 16 2005, 01:15 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->This Saka-Kushan rubbish does not even apply for my clan, the Gulerias, or any other Rajput clan in Himachal Pradesh. We are a branch of the famous Katoch clan whose antiquity goes back thousands of years to the ancient republic of Trigarta. Our ancestor Raja Susharma Chandra fought in the Mahabharat War (even today the Gulerias and Katoches use the same ancient surname Chand). The Trigartas are mentioned again and again in the ancient Hindu texts and their home is the Kangra valley...to this day the Katoch clan inhabits that valley. See the Katoch lineage at http://www.uq.net.au/~zzhsoszy/ips/k/kangra.html.
I too have a question for Ravi,
From what angle does the 488th Raja of Kangra look like a Saka-Kushan?
The Raja of Jaswan, a branch of the Katoch clan above.
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BTW, its factually wrong to say that Jats didn't protect region near Delhi... Haryana is almost empty of muslims... whereas everyone knows success of Sufism in Rajasthan... but still I am not passing any judgement on any ethnic group, everyone fought well. We should not read history selectively to justify our preassumed beliefs... Indians have history of fighting among ourselves, there was patriot like Rana Pratap and there was traitor like Jaichand... Sadly, you sound more like the later.
-Som
<!--QuoteBegin-PC Guleria+Oct 16 2005, 01:15 PM-->QUOTE(PC Guleria @ Oct 16 2005, 01:15 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->This Saka-Kushan rubbish does not even apply for my clan, the Gulerias, or any other Rajput clan in Himachal Pradesh. We are a branch of the famous Katoch clan whose antiquity goes back thousands of years to the ancient republic of Trigarta. Our ancestor Raja Susharma Chandra fought in the Mahabharat War (even today the Gulerias and Katoches use the same ancient surname Chand). The Trigartas are mentioned again and again in the ancient Hindu texts and their home is the Kangra valley...to this day the Katoch clan inhabits that valley. See the Katoch lineage at http://www.uq.net.au/~zzhsoszy/ips/k/kangra.html.
I too have a question for Ravi,
From what angle does the 488th Raja of Kangra look like a Saka-Kushan?
The Raja of Jaswan, a branch of the Katoch clan above.
What does a Saka-Kushan look like anyway? <!--emo&
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