10-10-2005, 05:31 PM
You should not include Rajputs with these groups...there is not a single Rajput website that propagates a foreign origin theory. Rajputs are staunch Hindus and complete nationalists.
As for this Ravi Chaudury he does not represent all Jats...he trawls around on many forums spewing hatred against Brahmans and Rajputs. He is trying to glorify his own community for political reasons. You'll find this joker going on and on about nasal index, DNA etc.
This Saka-Kushan rubbish does not even apply for my clan, the Gulerias, or any other Rajput clan in Himachal Pradesh. We are a branch of the famous Katoch clan whose antiquity goes back thousands of years to the ancient republic of Trigarta. Our ancestor Raja Susharma Chandra fought in the Mahabharat War (even today the Gulerias and Katoches use the same ancient surname Chand). The Trigartas are mentioned again and again in the ancient Hindu texts and their home is the Kangra valley...to this day the Katoch clan inhabits that valley. See the Katoch lineage at http://www.uq.net.au/~zzhsoszy/ips/k/kangra.html.
For a more realistic origin of Rajputs check this pdf file: http://www.airavat.com/Guerrilla%20Warfare.pdf
It says: "The destruction of the old Hindu kingdoms in North India however cleared the way for a new phenomenon that would dominate Indian history for the next six hundred years---the Rajputs. With titles of Rana, Rai, or Rawal these Rajaputra[2] families ruled small estates and controlled outlying forts in the old kingdoms---in Ajmer the Rajaputras were all Chauhans while in Kannauj they belonged to various clans that had formerly ruled that kingdom or had migrated there from other parts of India. With the simultaneous demise of those two kingdoms and their ruling families these Rajputs now became the first line of defense against further Muslim expansion after 1192.
[2]Literally King's son i.e. Prince, this title was known since ancient times; the Buddha was called a Rajaputra; Harshvardhan of Thanesar called himself a Rajaputra before succeeding his brother on the throne of Kannauj. The other words for princes in North India were Rajanya, Rajkumar and Yuvraj but by the time of the Pratihars (Circa 8th Century) Rajaputra had also come to designate an administrative office in several Northern and Central Indian dynasties."
So when talking about Rajputs you have to see the origin of the word and not the people since they are of the same stock as other Indians. And with regard to the Saka-Kushans it goes on to say: "At the start of the Common Era the Sakas (Scythians) and Kushans (Yeuh-chi) from Central Asia had established their kingdoms in northwestern India. <b>These Saka-Kushans were the ancestors of the Turks </b>and they used both the composite bow and the curved sword called the scimitar---however the blade of this sword was very broad. <b>The Indian warrior clans, ancestors of the Rajputs, adopted these new weapons and eventually overthrew the invaders from different parts of North India[39]. </b>Inscriptions and statues from that period depict warriors astride horses carrying these weapons while paying homage to their clan-goddess.
[39] According to European historians of the 19th Century the Rajputs were descended from these same Sakas and Kushans! However they did not cite actual evidence to back these claims."
So you see there was no real evidence cited by the European historians...the Saka-Kushans were foreigners who had a cultural impact on the local people but they were eventually defeated and overthrown.
As for this Ravi Chaudury he does not represent all Jats...he trawls around on many forums spewing hatred against Brahmans and Rajputs. He is trying to glorify his own community for political reasons. You'll find this joker going on and on about nasal index, DNA etc.
This Saka-Kushan rubbish does not even apply for my clan, the Gulerias, or any other Rajput clan in Himachal Pradesh. We are a branch of the famous Katoch clan whose antiquity goes back thousands of years to the ancient republic of Trigarta. Our ancestor Raja Susharma Chandra fought in the Mahabharat War (even today the Gulerias and Katoches use the same ancient surname Chand). The Trigartas are mentioned again and again in the ancient Hindu texts and their home is the Kangra valley...to this day the Katoch clan inhabits that valley. See the Katoch lineage at http://www.uq.net.au/~zzhsoszy/ips/k/kangra.html.
For a more realistic origin of Rajputs check this pdf file: http://www.airavat.com/Guerrilla%20Warfare.pdf
It says: "The destruction of the old Hindu kingdoms in North India however cleared the way for a new phenomenon that would dominate Indian history for the next six hundred years---the Rajputs. With titles of Rana, Rai, or Rawal these Rajaputra[2] families ruled small estates and controlled outlying forts in the old kingdoms---in Ajmer the Rajaputras were all Chauhans while in Kannauj they belonged to various clans that had formerly ruled that kingdom or had migrated there from other parts of India. With the simultaneous demise of those two kingdoms and their ruling families these Rajputs now became the first line of defense against further Muslim expansion after 1192.
[2]Literally King's son i.e. Prince, this title was known since ancient times; the Buddha was called a Rajaputra; Harshvardhan of Thanesar called himself a Rajaputra before succeeding his brother on the throne of Kannauj. The other words for princes in North India were Rajanya, Rajkumar and Yuvraj but by the time of the Pratihars (Circa 8th Century) Rajaputra had also come to designate an administrative office in several Northern and Central Indian dynasties."
So when talking about Rajputs you have to see the origin of the word and not the people since they are of the same stock as other Indians. And with regard to the Saka-Kushans it goes on to say: "At the start of the Common Era the Sakas (Scythians) and Kushans (Yeuh-chi) from Central Asia had established their kingdoms in northwestern India. <b>These Saka-Kushans were the ancestors of the Turks </b>and they used both the composite bow and the curved sword called the scimitar---however the blade of this sword was very broad. <b>The Indian warrior clans, ancestors of the Rajputs, adopted these new weapons and eventually overthrew the invaders from different parts of North India[39]. </b>Inscriptions and statues from that period depict warriors astride horses carrying these weapons while paying homage to their clan-goddess.
[39] According to European historians of the 19th Century the Rajputs were descended from these same Sakas and Kushans! However they did not cite actual evidence to back these claims."
So you see there was no real evidence cited by the European historians...the Saka-Kushans were foreigners who had a cultural impact on the local people but they were eventually defeated and overthrown.