07-25-2005, 07:34 PM
<!--QuoteBegin-Gus+Jul 25 2005, 05:25 AM-->QUOTE(Gus @ Jul 25 2005, 05:25 AM)<!--QuoteEBegin--> Can any Admin restore the posts that were made after the last posts? I seem to remember some posts after the above one. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Gus,
I remember making a post, and was wondering why it was deleted. Basically I supported Hayagriva's last post. Member "sunder" and others did not recognize from the verse they quoted that it is the karma-kanda kind of ritualistic worship that is being condemned. That sort of worship is condemned by all great Vaishnavas also, because it has nothing to do with Godhead, whose worship is transcendental to all the 4 purusha-arthas (dharma, artha, kama, moksha).
They also mis-translated the word "deva" to mean the Supreme Purusha. Further, they did not recognize that the same verses clearly imply the true existence of devas as elemental beings (which the "neo-Advaitists" do not believe in). All in all, it was a typical case of mis-quote, mis-interpretation, and tendentious purport by the "neo-Vedantist" brigade. It also exposes their fundamental hostility to the idea of Godhead, and of "worship" of ANY kind. Therefore, such "I am God" philosophies have been dubbed as the "triumph of false-ego" by great commentators.
I had also quoted an apt verse from the kaTha Upanishad. It summarized the various stages of self-realization, clearly indicating that the realization of the Supreme Personality (Purusha) is higher than the Unmanifest Impersonal Void or the Brahmajyoti, and also higher than Paramatma-realization. It other words, it provides support to the Gaudiya-Vaishnava position on the subject of various levels of realization of the Absolute. It also identifies Purusha with Vishnu-tattva.
"A man who has discrimination for his charioteer and holds the reins of the mind firmly, reaches <b>the end of the road; and that is the supreme position of Vishnu</b>.
Beyond the senses are the objects; beyond the objects is the mind; beyond the mind, the intellect; beyond the intellect, the Great Atman; <b>beyond the Great Atman, the Unmanifest; beyond the Unmanifest, the Purusha. Beyond the Purusha there is nothing: this is the end, the Supreme Goal.</b>
<b>-- KaTha Upanishad, 3:9-11</b>
Gus,
I remember making a post, and was wondering why it was deleted. Basically I supported Hayagriva's last post. Member "sunder" and others did not recognize from the verse they quoted that it is the karma-kanda kind of ritualistic worship that is being condemned. That sort of worship is condemned by all great Vaishnavas also, because it has nothing to do with Godhead, whose worship is transcendental to all the 4 purusha-arthas (dharma, artha, kama, moksha).
They also mis-translated the word "deva" to mean the Supreme Purusha. Further, they did not recognize that the same verses clearly imply the true existence of devas as elemental beings (which the "neo-Advaitists" do not believe in). All in all, it was a typical case of mis-quote, mis-interpretation, and tendentious purport by the "neo-Vedantist" brigade. It also exposes their fundamental hostility to the idea of Godhead, and of "worship" of ANY kind. Therefore, such "I am God" philosophies have been dubbed as the "triumph of false-ego" by great commentators.
I had also quoted an apt verse from the kaTha Upanishad. It summarized the various stages of self-realization, clearly indicating that the realization of the Supreme Personality (Purusha) is higher than the Unmanifest Impersonal Void or the Brahmajyoti, and also higher than Paramatma-realization. It other words, it provides support to the Gaudiya-Vaishnava position on the subject of various levels of realization of the Absolute. It also identifies Purusha with Vishnu-tattva.
"A man who has discrimination for his charioteer and holds the reins of the mind firmly, reaches <b>the end of the road; and that is the supreme position of Vishnu</b>.
Beyond the senses are the objects; beyond the objects is the mind; beyond the mind, the intellect; beyond the intellect, the Great Atman; <b>beyond the Great Atman, the Unmanifest; beyond the Unmanifest, the Purusha. Beyond the Purusha there is nothing: this is the end, the Supreme Goal.</b>
<b>-- KaTha Upanishad, 3:9-11</b>