Shambhu: The Hindus that like those policies, enjoy them and then go and vote on caste. Appeasing the majority is a nearly impossible. Unless the majority is threatened by the minority it is not going to work. And the majority Hindus are sitting ducks, waiting for slow extinction.
BJP has to find a modern vote plank, and sit on it. During the initial days, I liked the discipline the party exhibited (owing to RSS influence). I thought here is a party that is different from the dynastic politics. There were professors in the ranks. I thought here is a party with educated folks who are going to do good for the country. Today, there are as many goons in it (at least charged) like the Kangress.
I am not saying they are not doing, I am saying the message is not percolating to modern young Indians.
<b>Uma does a U-turn, will not go to Kedarnath</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Before the assembly elections, Uma had asserted that <b>she was interested only in defeating the BJP and fielded candidates in 226 out of 230 constituencies in the state, hoping that her party votes would damage BJP's chances in Madhya Pradesh.</b>
However, the BJS leader failed in preventing the BJP from coming to power in Madhya Pradesh for the second time in succession.
Her party won only five seats, signalling to her downfall that had began after she was expelled from the BJP, which bagged 143 seats in the polls.
Also, the firebrand leader lost the election from her constituency Tikamgarh by a margin of over 9,800 votes to Congress candidate and former minister Yadvendra Singh.
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But making a U-turn as is her wont, she said,<b> âIn the coming Lok Sabha polls, my party Bharatiya Janshakti Party would contest all the seats.â </b>
âBoth the BJP and Congress donât count in front of her party,â she added.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Swamy G+Dec 9 2008, 11:08 PM-->QUOTE(Swamy G @ Dec 9 2008, 11:08 PM)<!--QuoteEBegin-->Shambhu: The Hindus that like those policies, enjoy them and then go and vote on caste. Appeasing the majority is a nearly impossible. Unless the majority is threatened by the minority it is not going to work. And the majority Hindus are sitting ducks, waiting for slow extinction.
BJP has to find a modern vote plank, and sit on it. During the initial days, I liked the discipline the party exhibited (owing to RSS influence). I thought here is a party that is different from the dynastic politics. There were professors in the ranks. I thought here is a party with educated folks who are going to do good for the country. Today, there are as many goons in it (at least charged) like the Kangress.
I am not saying they are not doing, I am saying the message is not percolating to modern young Indians.
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You are right..majority has to feel the heat under their bottoms..just seeing the fire far away is not enough.
BJP needs to
--do what Modi does..he does get through to a lot of people. Modi has excellent on-the-spot thinking skills. His answers to questions are smart. BJP has to learn these skills, or if they cannot learn, at least keep a list of phrases to avoid.
-- not field no-name candidates in assembly elections.
--work on development as well as on Hindu issues both count. Dealing with Hindu issues can be done by simply trying to end muslim appeasement, no need to even use the word Hindu. Modi rarely does, but Hindus love him and psces hate him.
--Keep talking about illegals and driving them out
--Keep talking about evangelization..christians dont vote BJP, and those that do will still vote BJP when they know BJP is talking about these new Southern Baptist kind, not old Indian Christians.
--Forget trying to court muslim vote
-- keep its core Hindutva plank making other changes.
-- identify young educated leaders through out the country. It does not have to go after film stars, but when it sees an charismatic person sympathetic to its causes, it has to rope them in. Offer them a career path and make them stick and swear by BJP. Field them, but if they require some development wait for an opportune time.
-- it has to improve its presence among the youth. it needs to make itself cool and hip so the youngsters would want to be associated with it.
-- needs to get into the media. FM radio, blog, orkut etc.
-- develop a technology strategy
-- develop on the ground strategy
if it is doing all these things and we are just not aware, then it has to do all these better.
Also has anyone done a projection of the five states elections to the number of MPs from these states? True INC won three states and BJP two states. However the number of MPs at stake in these five states and their projected breakdown would be useful to get the big picture. MZ has 1 MP and Delhi has 7 MPs. and so and so forth.
Of these how many ae projected for BJP and how many for INC?
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Of these how many ae projected for BJP and how many for INC?
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In 2004, BJP lost all 7 seats from Delhi, now 2 seats
In 2004, BJP won 20 seats from Rajasthan, reduce 10 seats
In MP BJP won 40 seats from MP and Chattisgarh, reduce 5 seats
In Gujurat, 2004 congress won 12 seats. now 5 seats
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Hyderabad Dec. 11: The Chief Minister, Dr Y.S. Rajasekhar Reddy, who visited New Delhi after the election results to five state Assemblies were announced, has instructed his close confidantes in the party to prepare a report based on the experiences of the parties which won the election. According to a close confidante of Dr Rajasekhar Reddy, the Chief Minister has obtained a first hand information of the political situation in those states by talking to the local Congress leaders. He also collected local newspaper clippings. Dr Reddy, before returning to Hyderabad, told them to study the strategies adopted by the leaders belonging to various political parties including the Congress and the BJP. âFind out why the BJP did not fare well in Rajasthan and why the Congress lost in Madhya Pradesh,â he told his confidantes.
This feedback is necessary for the Chief Minister as he is leading the Congress in the ensuing Assembly elections, said the source. <b>Even though the former Rajasthan chief minister, Ms Vasundhara Raje, followed the Gujarat Chief Minister, Mr Narendra Modiâs plan of denying renomination to more than 50 per cent of the tainted sitting MLAs, she was not able to win the elections. The initial information that the Chief Minister got was that Ms Raje, while following Mr Modiâs experiment, had failed to convince the leaders who were denied party tickets to work for the party. As a result, all of them contested the elections as rebels, cutting into the BJPâs vote bank and helped the Congress to win. In Delhi, the Congress victory was attributed to the personal charisma of Ms Sheila Dixit who has come to be known as the Chief Minister of development. In MP, the Congress defeat was attributed to the presence of several leaders with no one supporting the PCC Chief Mr Suresh Pachowri</b>
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So lot of infighting and the 'rebels' continue as they dont have to pay the rpice of their rebellion.
BJP Sweeps Jammu. NC in Valley. Congress routed, losing deposit in most Jammu seats as well as valley. PDP shrunk too, will stand third. In fact BJP might have more seats than PDP for all we know in the final talley. J&K headed for a hung assembly and a coalition govt.
"BJP's performance in Jammu is worrisome. Secularism is shrinking in J&K." - Ghulam Nabi Azad.
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PTI | New Delhi
After bagging double-figure seats in the Jammu and Kashmir assembly for the first time, BJP on Sunday said it is ready to play the role of a "nationalist opposition" and work towards capitalising on its achievements for the ensuing Lok Sabha elections.
<b>"We, in the BJP, have reason to be happy about the outcome in Jammu and Kashmir. We have done exceedingly well in Jammu and got the highest number of seats than in the past. We will play the role of a nationalist opposition in assembly," </b>BJP general secretary Arun Jaitley said.
BJP leaders said the polarisation of votes between Kashmir valley and Jammu region has helped it increase its tally from one in the last assembly elections to 12 this time.
They said they will capitalise on the party's achievement for the Lok Sabha elections slated for next year.
The saffron party ruled out even exploring possibilities of supporting any of the political parties trying to form a government in Jammu and Kashmir.
<b>The party maintained a safe distance from Congress, PDP and National Conference terming the three as being "soft on terror and of sympathising with the separatists".</b>
Earlier, party vice-president Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi had ruled out an alliance with these parties saying, "All three of them are directly or indirectly supporting separatists and terrorists."
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PTI | Srinagar
The Bhartiya Janata Party (BJP) and Peoples Democratic Party (PDP) have emerged stronger in the Jammu and Kashmir assembly elections by bagging more seats as compared to the previous polls.
The BJP, which was represented in the State by a lone member, emerged as a strong force and won 11 seats, while the only other party which improved its position in the assembly elections was PDP.
<b>Against 16 in the 2002 elections, PDP improved its tally to 21 this year</b>.
National Conference, which won the distinction of being the single largest party, retained its earlier position with 28 seats.
<b>Congress lost three seats as compared to 2002. The party had won 20 seats in the previous elections and could only manage 17 seats this time</b>.
The CPI(M), which had two members in the outgoing assembly, lost one seat to PDP President Mehbooba Mufti but retained the Kulgam seat where party's state secretary MY Tarigami won despite stiff resistance from PDP.
<b>Democratic Party Nationalist President Ghulam Hassan Mir retained his Gulmarg seat, while Peoples Democratic Front president Hakeem Mohammad Yaseen again won on Khansahib seat</b>.
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<b>BJP sweeps Ktk bypolls, gains absolute majority</b><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Bangalore The ruling BJP in Karnataka on Tuesday gained an absolute majority for its government sweeping the bypolls, winning six of the eight seats and decimating the principal opposition, the Congress.
The strength of the BJP rose to 116 in the 224-member house and its effective numerical numbers 122 in the wake of its government headed by Chief Minister B S Yeddyurappa enjoying the backing of six independents.
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"Absolute" majority means 2/3 members in the house. Here is the case of "Simple" majority. It shows that even "National" papers like Express are so careless about what they report, or are full of half-educated moron writers.
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