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Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Guest - 12-05-2010 Quote:If you were interested*, in your place, I'd ask the grandparents/parents/any relative a generation or two older, press them for details. Hindus don't always tell you everything about the religion, sometimes you may have to you ask them in order to remind them that you don't really know enough. (They might just go about assuming someone else would have already explained it to you or that you already understood it by ... osmosis or something.) I disagree. One does not need to know the theory and origins to hand over traditions. Quote:Clearly, I am not poised to tell you why the pottu/bindi is Hindu - if that's what you were fishing for. Naah, I do not have to fish for knowledge. But I stay away from asking "arrogant" people as much as possible, thanks for the Internet it is easier these days. My wife, and several, women who wear pottu do not wear it for any other reason than that they are used to wearing pottu; one could call it as a accessory to their attire too. You are free to continue to froth and judge others, let me not get in your way. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 12-06-2010 [quote name='Swamy G' date='05 December 2010 - 11:27 PM' timestamp='1291571379' post='109680'] Quote:Husky said: "Clearly, I am not poised to tell you why the pottu/bindi is Hindu - if that's what you were fishing for." <snipped irrelevant response/reproach>[/quote] That line was not meant for you. The line was obviously in the section labelled for the Romanian - the one known variously by handles like "Romani"/"Honsol"/"HareKrishna". And he's the one who asked me something concerning it: to explain why I 'claimed' it was intrinsically Hindu (i.e. religiously Hindu). But why the mark IS Hindu - i.e. why Hindus wear the mark - does not concern him. So the rest of your response to my statement which was not directed at you can't apply. [quote name='Swamy G' date='05 December 2010 - 11:27 PM' timestamp='1291571379' post='109680'] I disagree. One does not need to know the theory and origins to hand over traditions.[/quote]It is a religious observance. It is meaningful to know why the old Hindus consciously observe it - including useful to know for handing down - because 1. it is a very important aspect of their religion 2. and because otherwise, due to loss of knowledge, an important religious observance such as wearing our sacred marks - important in a way that the sacred threads are - deteriorates into "fashion" (=cultural hinduism). And fashion, as you know, is prone to becoming passé (=onset of secularism). But these things are inevitable I guess. (Edited for length.) Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Bharatvarsh2 - 12-09-2010 Quote:Great Bipin (Mumbai) Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - HareKrishna - 12-10-2010 A passage of the The Passion of St Saba demonstrates that some harmony existed between Gothic Christians and their Gothic non-Christian neighbors who ââ¬Åintended while offering sacrifices to the gods to swear to the persecutor that there was not a single Christian in their village. The claim that the apostle St Andrew preached in Dobruja, is based only on a late legendary tradition, which, in any case, refers to Scythia (southern Russia), and not specifically to Little Scythia (Dobrogea).But beginning with the age of the tetrarchy, Christianity made important progress in the province. Most of the large numbers of Christians who became martyrs, in about 300, during Diocletian's persecution remained anonymous, but some names exist in the so-called 'martyrdom acts'. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 12-10-2010 Stolen from Bharatavarsha's #403: Quote:Great Bipin (Mumbai) The quoted character - "great bipin/buffoon" - is a typical christo(islami)terrorist. What's "interesting" is that the christoterrorist openly argues in a 'secular' space like TOI for the full-scale genocide of Hindus - i.e. the given christo-argument that "Hindus deserve the christoislamic terrorism/ethnic cleansing, for the crime of being Hindu". <- In that, note how - in parallel to such vocalised christo-thoughts - christianism in reality=in practice also uses (piggybacks with) islamism to genocide Hindus. The christogovt that's installed in India is an obvious case in point. But except for the more 'novel' bit of advocating genocide of Hindus in such a context, the quoteblock's content does seem to be a common sort of christian argument. There was that earlier christoterrorist comment at MSN.in which was brought up in post 333. Hmmm, I notice that both the christoterrorist comments at the original msn.in link, which were back then copied and pasted into #333, are no longer hosted at msn.in now - probably someone reported it for the christoterrorism=christo-abuse=christo-filth that it IS (though the christo-editors of msn.in are not unlikely to have written the abuse themselves). A few other comments remain there now, some of which seem to still be in response to the missing christoterrorist ones. The first of the now-removed comments reproduced below uses the same sort of christist line of 'argumentation' as the stuff pasted in BV's post (minus the overt christoislamic-advocacy of christoislamic genocide of Hindus). Note that the following christoterrorist comments were in response to an msn.in slideshow of Hindus of Assam etc celebrating a Hindoo holy day: Quote:Oh and the comments section has full-on christoterrorist gems like - Then again, these things can hardly be something to complain about when absolutely no one complained about something much closer (the bold bit): [quote name='G.Subramaniam' date='11 September 2010 - 09:58 PM' timestamp='1284222028' post='108244'] The key thing to remember is that the RSS-VHP in West Bengal at least has atrophied and is incapable of protecting Hindus Apparently the VHP in Kolkata was more interested in Hanuman Chalisa chanting than Hindu protection Shri Tapan Ghosh, was an ex-RSS pracharak, who left RSS to form Hindu Samhati RSS still does a lot of good work, but it is no longer effective as Hindu riot protection, and Hindu riot protection was the sole reason for starting RSS in 1925 I would urge all Hindus, especially bengalis to join Bharat Sevashram Sangha This predates RSS and is a more militant form of RK mission Bharat Sevashram Sangha is often the main resistance to islam in rural WB So to all bengalis, please give up Saraswati Puja, Durga puja, Rabindro Sangeet and Kali temple and instead just join Bharat Sevashram Sangha for both religion and self defence And please do contribute to BSS locally[/quote] - While christoislamism demands that Hindus give up worshipping Hindu Gods for the reason of christoislamism (even when such reasoning is couched under bad christoislamic taqiyah subversion attempts like "Hindus' worship of their Gods makes the river dirty and is asking for terrorism"), - on the other hand, there are and have been nationalists - on fire for nationalism - that demand that Hindus do the same, though for "nationalist" reasons (one is told). E.g. for "Hindus own sake", if not for "the sake of the nation", or else some elusive future. My favourite bit though is the incredibly inane "for your religion" suffix that IF's own member dropped in as an afterthought to his request/demand to Hindus to "abandon the Gods". (To ask people to abandon the Hindu Gods "for the sake of" Hindu religion IS inane.) Giving up worship of the Hindu Gods and the celebration of the sacred festivals to the Gods is the same as abandoning the Hindu Gods. So both christoislamism and G Subs/other such (he's not the only one) have made such demands. It's all the *same* anti-Hindu-ism. It's just that different voices are expressing the same, and for their own reasons. (I.e. the reasoning is different, the fundamentally anti-Hindu demands are the same.) Christoislamics are determined that their way (christoislamism) is the best way/the solution for Hindus, whereas a peculiar type of ...nationalists (it's the only identifier they have) are determined that their way is the best way/the solution for Hindus. Both require that Hindus abandon their Gods=religion to satisfy the ones (the ideology) making the demands. Now, if any cheap 'Hindus' exist who could be swayed by any of these parties: if they had any sense, they would sooner satisfy islam's demands. Because, all else being equal - and they are equal in this case, as one can see from the impossible nature of the demands (even when phrased as 'requests') - at least islam could win. I mean, if you're going to betray=denounce your religion by abandoning your Gods, you may as well go all the way and do so for the winning team, right? <- Sorry, I phrased that wrong. It was not a question. It was just a statement of fact. The final note hardly needs to be stated as it's a very common Hindu POV, but it can't hurt to be unnecessarily explicit: Abandoning the Gods/observances concerning the Gods (temples, festivals, puja - even the consideration/perception of the Gods) and abandoning the protection of the Temples is a certain sign of misfortune to Hindus. (De-Hinduisation is certain misfortune to Hindus. Not to seculars and others, mind.) Just as it was in the GR case. But I can't be bothered quoting from Hellenistic examples again. Ugh fine, an example is this bit again: Quote:Julian did not arrive at that conviction at Antioch, however. It is plain to see in two works composed in close proximity122 in the early spring of 363. The Helios myth in the Against Heraclius casts Constantine and his sons as [color="#0000FF"]the sowers of monstrous discord: 'there was a general slaughter ... and everything was thrown into confusion. The sons demolished the ancestral temples which their father had dishonoured ... and the laws of the gods and men alike were profaned.'123 The Fates foretold that if nothing were done, 'this wicked zeal for impious deeds will prevail universally.'[/color]124 The criticism elsewhere in the same work of men who 'subvert the common customs' we have discussed much earlier. Ostensibly, it was a description of Heraclius and his friends, but I have argued that they hardly merited the title and that Julian was well aware of the fact. For the sake of an argument and a vivid image, Julian had likened the Cynics to subversive 'pirates': his audience, I suggested, will have known how to take that remark, but to help them he went on to deride Heraclius as 'very like a monk': the men who 'subvert[ed] the common customs' for real were not the hairy Cynics who hung about the imperial court but the Christians in the cities of the Empire.125 The prayer which closed the hymn to the Mother pointed the same way: 'Grant all men knowledge of the gods, and grant to the community of the Roman people that they may cleanse themselves of the stain of godlessness.'126Julian, with reason, regularly states these things indirectly. But they are no less true for his way of unfolding the general viewpoint in this manner. Anyway, the core view expressed therein is actually similar to the Hindu (and E Asian heathen) POV as well. It's also why the christists knowingly try to break that which must not be broken (RamarSethu) and meddle with sacred Hindu rituals in our temples that must not be tampered with. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 12-10-2010 a) People did this to themselves (it's what happens when attempting to peddle the non-shareable. Hindu religion is only to be practised and passed down, not peddled to others who have nothing to do with it). newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/aseem_shukla/2010/04/nearly_twenty_million_people_in.html Quote:The true purpose of yoga, as espoused by Patanjali, is to transcend all distinctions, including those between individuals, which would seem to include especially religious distinctions (i.e. this one is better than that one).Even more openly christoterrorist comments at the link. Like I said: the west doesn't know anything about Yoga. It obviously doesn't work for them. (Since if it had worked for them they could never declare in such impossible ignorance that Yoga is not Hindu - the Hindu Gods intrinsically belong to Hindu religion.) Anyway *that* is what one gets when one tries to peddle 'Hinduism' (Lite onlee of course) in the west. No doubt one will hear more Hindus of the era declare how much of a 'hindu success' it is that something called "Yoga" is being practised "all over the west". b ) From the same link. Both the following excerpts are taken from the main article by Dr. Aseem Shukla, of the ââ¬ÅTake Yoga Back Movement", a "urologist and a second-generation Indian-American": Quote:ââ¬ÅWhen our kids go to school and say they are Hindu, nobody says, ââ¬ËOh, yeah, Hindus gave the world yoga.ââ¬â¢ They say, ââ¬ËWhat caste are you?ââ¬â¢ Or ââ¬ËDo you pray to a monkey god?ââ¬â¢ Because thatââ¬â¢s all Americans know about Hinduism.ââ¬Â Quote:Why is yoga severed in Americaââ¬â¢s collective consciousness from Hinduism? Yoga, meditation, ayurvedic natural healing, self-realizationââ¬âthey are todayââ¬â¢s syntax for New Age, Eastern, mystical, even Buddhist, but nary an appreciation of their Hindu origins. It is not surprising, then, that Hindu schoolchildren complain that Hinduism is conflated only with caste, cows, exoticism and polytheismââ¬âthe salutary contributions and philosophical underpinnings lost and ignored. Before moving on: 1. declaring that "Hindus gave the world 'yoga'" is *not* how you take Yoga back. One demonstrates ownership by publicly correcting the entirely false perception - propagated by various Indian cultists peddling something dubbed 'yoga' in the west - that what has been peddled there was never Yoga to begin with. Because it really isn't. The west (factually) doesn't have it. So they can't speak of any Yoga - not knowing of it. Simple. 2. Note: Ayurveda and Hindu Yoga are Hindu. Not Buddhist. Just like Tai Chi and acupuncture - etc etc - remain Taoist, *not* Buddhist (nor any generic Chinese nationality/ethnicity/whatever either). Onto what's wrong with the above 2 quoteblocks: There was NO reason for Aseem Shukla to list the christo-question on Hanuman with the one on caste - which implies both are equally offensive/matters of insinuated shame to a Hindu - nor to mention "polytheism" (and cows) alongside caste etc. And no reason to contrast either with (an invented) hinduism: a 'pure' spiritual .... "philosophy" as some today would have it, devoid of the Gods except as decoration. - Forgotten is that the Gods through their rushis (being the knowers of the Gods) gave Yoga to the Hindus. (Numerous Hindu texts to give as an example. Including Agamic ones like Tirumantiram by Tirumoolar, etc, etc.) And oh yeah, no one gave the right to 'Hindus' to "give" Yoga to the world. Like all Hindu things it is non-shareable and doesn't concern others. - After crediting *themselves* with Yoga instead (with the line "Hindus gave the world Yoga"), they then feel offended to stick by the very Gods (who are also the very centre for the Hindu Teachers devotedly attached to the same) who gave Hindus all the good things of the Hindu religion. I.e. on one hand they want to be known to the world for the "positive" of "Hindus gave the world Yoga", while they easily, unthinkingly contrast this against "Do you pray to a monkey god" <- At the very least a source of discomfort to even the adults, as they choose to list it alongside the offensive "what caste are you?" Same with the similar listing of the Gods (under "polytheism") and Cows together with "exoticism and caste". I refer only to the following extract in McCabe's statement, used as secondary support for a statement I wish to make thereafter: http://infomotions.com/etexts/gutenberg/dirs/etext97/tsoev10.htm Quote:The Story of Evolution / McCabe, Joseph, 1867-1955I.e. Joseph McCabe admits that the early Chinese - he is speaking of the Taoists, i.e. the traditional Chinese - recognised that (their) culture was a gift of their Gods. (Even if he doesn't accept that their perception could be true - since he is unreligious/knows no Gods - he acknowledges that they held this view. Certainly, the traditional Chinese attribute a lot/all to their Gods=their religion. And they can demonstrate it.) And it holds true not just for the early Chinese religionists, but to this day. They're heathens. The traditional Taoists from the past until today, as well as the GrecoRoman Hellenes of the past (and from what I can tell also those today) and the Hindus of the past and the elderly Hindoos remaining - being *actual* heathens - still (vocally) recognise their Gods as the origin of all their religio-culture ("civilisation"): from arts and artistic inspiration - the very motivation and source for it (e.g. Kalidasa again) - to skills to sciences, including of course the great sciences of their Gods. Hindu Yoga is a science of the Hindu Gods. And despite modern Indian presumptions, Hindus' Yoga derives from their Gods and intimately concerns the Hindu Gods. It is one of the means that traditional Hindoos practice to reach their Gods, once they get - what's a good word - deekSham in it. To rephrase Shukla's question (the one that mentioned "polytheism"): Quote:Why is yoga and all of Hindu religion severed in modern Hindus' collective consciousness from the Hindu Gods? Yoga, meditation, ayurvedic natural healing, self-realization (kalaripayatt, literary works by Hindus*, etc.)ââ¬âthey are todayââ¬â¢s syntax for New Age "hinduism lite", but nary an understanding and recognition of their origins in the Hindu Gods, due to a loss of proper perception and appreciation of the Hindu Gods who are central to it.*E.g. Kaalidaasa is usually described as merely "the greatest Sanskrit poet" - even by Indians, presumably because they think he's another claim for some generic "Indianness". But he is Hindu. That is his identity: he doesn't have to say the word "Hindu" (the modern identifier merely describes the state of who/what he is and is superfluous), as his state of being a Hindu is more than explicit in how he refers with love to his Hindu Gods, seeing in them his All - which is exactly what they are. For all those Hindus whose ancestors worshipped Hanuman and who still follow their heathen religion (as opposed to being de-heathenised into conceiving of their ancestors' religion as alien), the answer to "Do you pray to a monkey god?" can be anything as simple as: Yes *of course* I do. He is a Monkey, he is certainly a God, he is most definitely real, and he is the confluence of all that is most good and great, and is one well-known for being seated/standing in Yoga meditating on my other Gods Shri Ramachandra and his Wife Sita=my Mother Shree Devi. So it is but natural that I worship him. This Divine Monkey was correctly recognised as one of their own dear Gods by the great Hindus of the past and by the remaining traditional Hindus of the present - of whom I am (because I choose to be, and in gratitude) a natural product - and whose expert first-hand knowledge on these important matters I *know* to value greatly. (That is the heathen answer.) ^ But, obviously, that can only be the answer if one *does* worship Hanuman the Kapi, who is a great God indeed. (And to christist interrogators, one can add: "Whereas of course I don't worship any invisible, non-existent - and therefore specifically non-imageable - mono-gawd. <- Now *that* would clearly be ridiculous, as any sane person will have to agree.") Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 12-13-2010 No bold highlighting. No colours. But all of the following is important. Why it is important can be found at The Vatican's Ratlines and Nazi funds: helping war criminals to escape justice and its links. http://www.kansascity.com/2010/12/11/2512561/vatican-bank-mired-in-laundering.html Quote:Posted on Sat, Dec. 11, 2010 05:24 AM Other related reading: (Next to the aforementioned page The Vatican's Ratlines and Nazi funds: helping war criminals to escape justice) - - If anyone hasn't read it yet, also relevant is: What is the Vatican Hiding? The Vatican's Complicity in Genocide in Fascist Croatia - by Barry Lituchy - Can't be bothered copying out the the pages on Calvi from the American Atheists site (which apparently expired from FlashLine, their 'current news' section). They were already copied once before into a post at IF as also the relevant article "Good Americans" by John Judge, 1983 (documentation on the nazis that escaped, and their very High Up connections - with lots of connections to the Vatican of course). Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 12-15-2010 Joseph McCabe - the ex-catholic priest and "encyclopaedic brain" (well, when it comes to *christianism* and christian history) - declares knowingly and frankly: http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/joseph_mccabe/religious_controversy/chapter_26.html Quote:I doubt whether any of these Catholic writers who enthuse about Dante ever read him. The third part of the "Divine Comedy" is, as Goethe bluntly said, "insipid." It is precisely a proof that pure Christian doctrine cannot inspire poetry. The other two parts are made interesting -- Goethe says "repulsive" -- by their material setting, but they are absolutely heretical from the Catholic point of view.No culture. Insipid is a good word. Non-existent jeebusjehovallah inspires nothing. Except death and destruction=sole 'achievements' of christianism = all the 'culture' christianism has. - Dancing forbidden in christianism. (They pretend otherwise now. But it was banned even late in Polynesia back when it was attacked by missionaries. Now christoterrorism is busy trying to steal all the deeply religious Hindu dance forms.) - Acting forbidden in christianism. It was part of christian norms until down to early 20th century. "Acting is a sin" declared by faithful church-goers was a common phrase. Christianism's ban started in Greece/Rome where acting was recognised again as a divine craft of Hellenismos, and which had its own patron Gods. All arts and culture had their patron Gods in Greece and Rome. - Maths used to be banned by christianism too, back when it was still recognised as belonging to the religion Hellenismos. Christianism declared it "paganism" (well, it certainly is Hellenistic and unchristian) and "demonic" (because it was religious Hellenismos - and not just to the Pythagoreans, note). I think there were some quotes on christianism's ban of maths at "Age of ignorance" http://freetruth.50webs.org/A2b.htm Cultureless. Culture-ban. Culture-death. Christianism is rather like islam (where music, singing to *music*, poetry, dancing, acting, drawing anything except pure-shapes is banned, etc.) Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Guest - 12-19-2010 Quote:[url="http://www.dailypioneer.com/304801/Foreign-hand-Christian-bodies-top-donors-receivers.html"]Foreign hand: Christian bodies top donors, receivers[/url] Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - dhu - 12-22-2010 [url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/allahabad/Christmas-procession-taken-out/articleshow/7128981.cms"]Christmas procession taken out[/url] Quote:ALLAHABAD: A Christmas procession depicting showcasing the birth of Jesus Christ was taken out in the city on Sunday. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - dhu - 12-23-2010 [url="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/22/a-nazi-christmas-party-ra_n_800595.html"]A Nazi Christmas Party: Rare Pictures From Life.com (PHOTOS)[/url] Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - dhu - 01-01-2011 http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/hs035.snc6/166589_175169889189801_100000903746053_368094_6176254_n.jpg An Army of Jeebus leaflet sent to the VHP from Hyderabad, threatening to burn hundreds of copies of the Gita and Mahabharata on 2nd January. The videos will be posted on youtube. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - dhu - 01-01-2011 [url="http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics/nation/govt-lifts-pap-in-three-ne-states/articleshow/7198731.cms"]Govt lifts PAP in three NE states[/url] In a New Year gift to Manipur , Mizoram and Nagaland, the government has decided to do way with the requirement of Protected Area Permit (PAP) for foreigners visiting the three states Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - dhu - 01-02-2011 Congress releases ULFA chairman Arabinda Rajkhowa from jail [url="http://www.telegraphindia.com/1110102/jsp/frontpage/story_13381103.jsp"]Out of jail, Ulfa boss hits road with talks on lips [/url] Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Guest - 01-04-2011 Quote:http://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report_christian-missionary-behind-nithyananda-sex-scandal-ranjitha_1488741#comments Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - dhu - 01-05-2011 Christist holy deeds glossed over as "ethnic" conflict [url="http://www.hindustantimes.com/Curfew-continues-parts-of-state-situation-tense/H1-Article1-646169.aspx"] Curfew continues parts of state, situation tense[/url] Quote:With the situation still tense along the Meghalaya-Assam border following ethnic violence in the area, the authorities on Tuesday decided against relaxing the curfew imposed there. Curfew was imposed in Mendipathar and its adjoining areas of East Garo Hills district Monday night after an ethnic Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 01-15-2011 3 items 1. http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=12982&SKIN=C Quote:Vatican stooge K G Balakrishnan Exposed by Kerala SC ââ¬â ST federation 2. http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=13036&SKIN=B Quote:Forsaken by the Government, Goa Temple Panels Unite to tackle thefts, desecrations 3. http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=13066&SKIN=W Quote:'De-baptism' - The new buzz word This had happened earlier in Catholic Austria (maybe a decade ago), where there was a mass exodus out of catholicism too, also related to the constant christist abuse of the converted Europeans. At that time, the evangelical vultures thought the Austrian bid for freedom was an invitation to go peddle jeebus again among those who had freed themselves of the unholy unroman church. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 01-16-2011 http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=13097&SKIN=C Quote:What's in a name ? For the Pope, a lot But GSK Menon and other Hindus don't understand. In Europe, the Pope bans Yoga. Just like in Europe he insists on christian names. In India, the crypto-catholics most certainly have christian names which they are baptised with, which they consider their real names. But for the *sake* of crypto-christianism, they have to have Hindu cover names - which they revile, but they have no choice: if they want to destroy heathen India, as the Pope commands them to, they have to first get under the heathens' skin, into the heathen society. They will do anything to peddle the non-existent character of jeebus, including taking on heathen externals. In India, catholic and some other christian churches tell their sheep to take over all things Hindu for *this* purpose. The church has no intention of continuing with appropriated Bharatanatyam, sarees, let alone Bindis and Tilakas, *deeply* Hindu lamps, aartis and Hindu names later. These are profoundly heathen things - which the catholic church is only all-too-aware of. But it needs its sheep to think they still have some "indian culture" at first. In their plan, when the country has been conquered, *then* they will exterminate all these traces of heathenism from their flock - and will kill stubborn elements in their flock to do it if need be (just like it had done earlier). The early church, like the later protestants (e.g. Calvin), rose up against non-christian names among the sheep, the same way several evangelical churches today do: it is patently unchristian. They hate these unchristian inculturation tactics of the catholic church. The catholic church, though, has no principles in making converts (the ends justify the means). That's the same reason they decided to no longer insist on Latin-only mass. It is still considered heresy in catholicism (this remains the view of the Vatican) to have non-Latin mass. But their stupid sheep need to first be consolidated for christ. Later the church can impose its will on them. It's the *appearance* of leniency. In reality, there is no such thing. The church is willing to have a few early generations of damned sheep (christianism damns them for their heretical heathen elements) so that later sheep can be made purely christian. Even the blind Indian 'patriots' who cheer the "indigenisation" of the christian church (which they ignorantly call "indianisation" - but there's nothing 'plain' "Indian" about Hindu religion) are totally mistaken in their assumption. The supposed "indigenisation" is not taking place. It is a war-tactic, it is temporary and the church very much keeps its eye on it and plans to tackle it later. (It's done this before. You don't see many christians worshipping the Roman Gods as 'saints' anymore. The church put these on its "not a saint" revelation-list long ago.) Like the evangelicals, the Renegade catholic church too severely disagrees with the fact that the catholic church in foreign lands tells its catholic sheep to give their spawn heathen names (for cryptochristianism, no other purpose). In the opinion of the renegade (considered authentic) catholic church, this dilutes and 'paganises' the True Christianism. Which is entirely true. Association with "paganism" is considered (flirting with) damnation. PARROT: Anyway, the *True* christian opinion is here - this is what all christians including Indian christoterrorists should be doing AT ALL TIMES (i.e. not having heathen names even for cryptochristian purposes): http://web.archive.org/web/20061108080212/www.greatlie.com/en/articles.cfm?action=detail&id=21 via http://freetruth.50webs.org/A1.htm Quote:ëAs for myself I consider the Greek culture nonsense, uttered by an evil demon and the saddest of affairsû -- Extracted from Were The Fathers Of The Christian Church Philhellenes? at Michael Kalopoulos' site Greatlie.com John Chrysostom is a saint and 'father' of the early church (i.e. one of the founders of the ecclesiastical tradition). His surname is IIRC Hellenistic (e.g. the GrecoRoman orator Dion Chrysostom was a heathen). And although santa John insists on the OT for names, we know that at least the Protestants over a millennium later included the christian characters in the NT for a source of names. (Santa John's first name at least occurs in the NT.) And Calvinistic protestantism. Quote:Calvinist Geneva, the "Protestant Rome," was a police state. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 01-16-2011 http://www.haindavakeralam.com/HkPage.aspx?PAGEID=13096&SKIN=C Quote:The redoubtable Digvijay Singh [color="#800080"](known to be a crypto-christian)[/color] recently remarked that it was futile to ban the Sangh Parivar whose leader is the RSS. Instead, [color="#FF0000"]he suggested a carefully crafted ideological defeat[/color]. Needless to say, he and his protégé Rahul Gandhi The ideological defeat referred to = the character assassination of the Hindu org to the larger Hindu public, using such things as the Christian Inquisition Of The Hindus Project (publicly referred to with the christian-concocted libel "Hindu Terror"). [color="#0000FF"]INSERTED:[/color] An example of the intended effect/achievement of such character assassination of Hindu orgs by christists orchestrating events can be seen in the example: From post in "Progressive Duplicity and moral policing" thread on the very staged Karnatakan Pub incident: Quote:http://www.hindu.com/2009/01/28/stories/2009012859801400.htmEither - the dude was paid to declare he "deconverted" (i.e. like christian 'witnessing testimonies'), - or he really got brainwashed into thinking the obviously set-up event (was it the christo-NDTV that got the initial "exclusive"?) was for real, and that some Hindu org had gone about attacking Hindu women. If the latter: shows the power of christianism's pointed character assassination plots to effect the change in bystanding Hindus like Shetty. And it's not just Hindu individuals like the TN Shankaracharya but entire orgs that can be tarred by christian lying. And thereafter, the brutal bloodthristy and hyper-sadistic* christianism gets the bonus of enjoying its most famous hobby: Inquisitioning, by torturing innocent Hindus which it has falsely apprehended - and from whom it always forces a false confession (that's what inquisitions are famous for) - after which it will silently kill...I mean disappear them. (Where is Dara Singh...? Where is Swami Amritaananda, still alive? Where are all those many innocent Hindus of Karnataka brutalised, thrown into prison and disappeared by that christian cop Sangliana from the NE for protesting christian demolition of Hindu Temples?) * Hyper-sadistic: christianism enjoys the suffering of others. Not just in this world, it looks forward to the suffering of heathens in its non-existent hell: http://freetruth.50webs.org/B4.htm Quote:That the saints may enjoy their beatitude more fully, a perfect sight is granted them of the punishment of the damned. Anyway, the rest of the above HK article "Can Christian missionaries succeed in defeating Hindu India ?" by one Vijaya Rajiva is optimistic about the answer without providing remotely sufficient reason. She shows no knowledge of how christianism brought down Rome and Greece - the Hellenistic religio-civilisation which had lasted for such a long time until then. And the GrecoRomans at least could see (eventually) the Very Real Threat that christianism posed to them. (While many Hindus and all de-heathenised secular ex-Hindus remain blind to it.) Also, Rajiva makes this erroneous statement, which seems to claim the stated things exclusively for Hindu religion: Quote:Proabably no other religion has so much festivity associated with its religious worship. Why do so many make such sweeping statements ("probably no other religion")? Daoism has ALL those above-listed things and more: dancing (e.g. Lion, Dragon), music (traditional Daoist='Chinese' music is glorious, their Daoist instruments are literally Heavenly - for a reason), flowers+water+fruit are "lavishly present in every" Daoist ritual. People either bother to know or don't. But if one can't be bothered, shouldn't make such universal statements, it just perpetuates ignorance of "uniqueness/specialness". By the way, the fact that there is "so much festivity (deeply) associated with Hindu religious worship" does not imply that Hindu religion is immune to christianism's bid for its destruction. What do people think GrecoRoman religion was like? <snipped listing of known obvious similarities> Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Pandyan - 01-17-2011 Does anyone know if any foreign evangelical orgs furnish NE militants with weapons? Some of them have US made weapons - http://mizoramexpress.com/wp-content/uploads/Kukimilitants2.jpg M-16 http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/06j5bksdZlgek/610x.jpg M-16 with 203 grenade launcher http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EJM6TDHF1rg/TI_tDTyyvhI/AAAAAAAAF9E/0D57IRYA9UA/s1600/DSCN0237.JPG M-16's |