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Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - agnivayu - 05-29-2010 [quote name='Viren' date='27 May 2010 - 02:32 AM' timestamp='1274907243' post='106589'] Isn't it a oxymoron? Like 'Pakistani Intelligence' Would these so called 'secular' groups support a ban on M F Hussain? Wonder why not? [/quote] Let me quote the mafia boss of the the Catholics, the Pope: "Today there arises the risk of a serpentine secularization even within the Church, which can convert into a formal and empty Eucharistic worship, in celebrations lacking this participation from the heart that is expressed in veneration and respect for the liturgy," Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/pontifications/2009/06/quote-of-the-day-part-ii-serpe.html#ixzz0pKIbPqqG So their boss is saying secularism is evil and an enemy of their church, so would the Catholic leaders of India please explain what they mean by secular? Because right now it looks like they want a Catholic theocracy and are using secularism as just a front to oppress Hindus (who are far more secular than them) Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Bharatvarsh2 - 06-03-2010 Quote:*WHEN MEMORIES OF AMARNATH AND SETU POPPED UP IN A TAMILNADU TOWN* Quote:I have a direct account of this bandh.. In tamilnadu, the mariamman is held in Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - HareKrishna - 06-09-2010 The Christian Fascists Are Growing Stronger http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_christian_fascists_are_growing_stronger_20100607/ Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Guest - 06-10-2010 A news from Jharkhand : In 2009 when there was President rule in Jharkhand, the central government through the governor brought the Christian Church into the Food distribution , slowly bypassed PDS. Bascially the state abdicated its role in Food Supply and let a religious organisation to manage food distribution in many parts of the state. Some related new article: http://www.dailypioneer.com/199556/RSS-BJP-gravel-over-Church%E2%80%99s-role-in-distribution-of-PDS-foodgrains.html After Shibu Soren took over as Chief Minister with BJP support on 30th December 2009, officials of the Church met with him and asked him to keep BJP away from ministries like Education, Health etc. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Bharatvarsh2 - 06-11-2010 Quote: Why the hell is that dumb b*tch Alphonsa on the coins? Do you see any European or other Western countries issuing coins with Hindu saints? Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - agnivayu - 06-11-2010 [quote name='Bharatvarsh2' date='11 June 2010 - 06:51 AM' timestamp='1276218781' post='106843'] Why the hell is that dumb b*tch Alphonsa on the coins? Do you see any European or other Western countries issuing coins with Hindu saints? [/quote] It appears to me like the Jesus Jihadi's have slowly infiltrated the Congress party since the mid 1990's. However their medieval tactics to convert the infidels won't work because we are well aware of them. Sonia is a stooge of the Pope (head mafia boss). They want to expand their decadent Catholic Empire into the belt of resistance and create a "casta" system, where Whites from Europe (like Sonia) can rule over the "subcontinentals" like they do in Central and South America. In this rigid age old Euro-Christian tradition, social mobility is not allowed and only fair skinned Whitey's can be the ruling class. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Guest - 06-12-2010 Latest.. Loan Waiver Scheme for Christian converts http://beta.thehindu.com/news/states/kerala/article451983.ece The State has been witnessing an unprecedented scale of relief measures under the present Government, said Minister of Welfare of Scheduled Castes/ Scheduled Tribes and Backward Classes A.K. Balan. In his address at the inauguration of the loan waiver scheme, undertaken by the Kerala State Development Corporation for Christian Converts from Scheduled Castes and the Recommended Communities Ltd. here on Thursday, Mr. Balan said the current loan waiver scheme would write off Rs.159 crore and this would benefit nearly one lakh people, mostly belonging to the poorest sections of the society, he said. ââ¬ÅThis government has been, wholeheartedly, supportive of those who have been deprived of their basic needs and the State has led the way in terms of relief measures for the poorer sections of the society,ââ¬Â added Mr. Balan. Under the debt waiver scheme for the Christian Converts, loans up to Rs.25,000 maturing on 31 March 2006 would be written off fully. In cases where the loan amount exceeds the stipulated amount, penal interest part would be written off, providing the persons with an opportunity to avail a one time benefit. V.N. Vasavan, MLA, in his presidential address, highlighted the efforts of the State Government in protecting the needy. Commending the initiatives of the Government, Archbishop Vattappara of the Anglican Church of India requested those who avail the relief measures to reduce dependency on the assistance and to fully utilize the opportunities provided to improve living standards. Non-liability certificates were distributed to the debt-ridden during the function. The event was also attended by Jose K. Mani, MP, District Panchayat President T.N. Rameshan and Municipal Chairperson Bindu Santhosh Kumar Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Pandyan - 06-12-2010 Hindus are just dumb and pathetic ignoramus's who seem to have no shame or self-respect. Commie gubmint is straight up giving money to xtians on the basis of helping "poorer sections of society", as if there's no poor Hindus. Coins are getting minted with xtian crosses and images of xtian church prostitutes. If this was some other country, there would be a massive uproar, but of course the meek and cowardly Hindu does nothing. Doesn't surprise me, considering that even in this forum which is supposed to be pro-Hindu, we got traitorous pimps who advocate the bastard-tongue urdu. So naturally the general Hindu population, which doesn't seem to care about anti-Hindu activities, isn't going to bat an eyelid upon hearing this news. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - G.Subramaniam - 06-22-2010 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/23/movies/23agora.html THE last time we saw Rachel Weisz in an Egyptian setting, she was cast as the earnest librarian-turned-archaeologist Evelyn Carnahan in ââ¬ÅThe Mummyââ¬Â and ââ¬ÅThe Mummy Returns.ââ¬Â In ââ¬ÅAgora,ââ¬Â her latest film, she returns to the Nile to play another woman of a scholarly bent ââ¬â but that is where any similarity to the archly comic-horror ââ¬ÅMummyââ¬Â series ends. Related Trailer: 'Agora' Enlarge This Image Todd Heisler/The New York Times Ms. Weisz portrays Hypatia, a philosopher and mathematician who lived in fifth-century Alexandria. Enlarge This Image Teresa Isasi/Newmarket Films Oscar Isaac and Rachel Weisz in a scene from ââ¬ÅAgora,ââ¬Â a historical drama set in Alexandria about a scholar who enraged Christian fundamentalists. ââ¬ÅAgora,ââ¬Â which opens in New York on Friday, is a big-budget two-hour Roman epic that features Ms. Weisz as Hypatia, the Neo-Platonist philosopher and astronomer-mathematician sometimes credited with inventing the hydrometer and the plane astrolabe. Instead of being set in the 20th century among the pharaohsââ¬â¢ tombs and temples, like ââ¬ÅThe Mummy,ââ¬Â much of the story takes place in fifth-century Alexandria, when the rising faith of Christianity is aggressively challenging traditional Greco-Roman learning and values. ââ¬ÅThe hot topic these days is Islamic fundamentalism,ââ¬Â Ms. Weisz said recently over tea at an East Village restaurant near her home. ââ¬ÅBut in ââ¬ËAgora,ââ¬â¢ itââ¬â¢s the Christians who are the fundamentalistsââ¬Â whose zealotry leads them to destroy one of the libraries of Alexandria, perhaps the greatest center of learning in the ancient world. Some of those scenes evoke the Talibanââ¬â¢s demolition of statues of Buddha in Afghanistan in 2001, and Ms. Weisz, British born and educated at Cambridge, said such parallels were deliberate. In another scene, Hypatia has a veil put over her head, ââ¬Åand it said in the script that this should be reminiscent of the burqa,ââ¬Â she recalled. ââ¬ÅThe very first thing I thought when I read the script was that this is a story about today, a very contemporary, 21st-century story,ââ¬Â she said. She mentioned opposition to stem cell research and to the teaching of evolution as examples of ââ¬Åa wall between science and religionââ¬Â that still stands, and then concluded her thought: ââ¬ÅThat weââ¬â¢re still killing people in the name of God is primitive but true.ââ¬Â ââ¬ÅAgora,ââ¬Â whose title refers to the public square and marketplace where ideas were debated in the ancient Greek world, is directed by the Spanish-Chilean filmmaker Alejandro Amenábar, who wrote the screenplay with Mateo GÃÂl. He originally envisioned a movie about the history of astronomy from Aristotle to Einstein but changed direction when his research brought him to Hypatia and the period just before the start of the Dark Ages. ââ¬ÅShe was an exceptional woman, a virginal intellectual who managed to impose herself as an important figure, a reference point in the philosophical and political life of Alexandria during a crucial epochââ¬Â Mr. Amenábar said. ââ¬ÅWe are accustomed to seeing lions devouring Christians in films, but not the transformation of Christians from a persecuted group to one that is powerful and armed.ââ¬Â For Mr. Amenábar, ââ¬ÅAgoraââ¬Â also represents a notable change in style. The two films for which he is best known, ââ¬ÅThe Otherââ¬Â and the Academy Award-winning ââ¬ÅSea Inside,ââ¬Â were both intimate pieces set in small spaces. ââ¬ÅAgora,ââ¬Â on the other hand, required the construction of virtually an entire city in Malta for filming early in 2008 and also features a large, cosmopolitan and polyglot cast, including actors from Britain, France, Latin America, Israel and the Arab world who are Christian, Muslim and Jewish. ââ¬ÅThat set was a wonderful gift, because all of us immediately felt like we were in a different world and time the minute we arrived for work each day,ââ¬Â said Max Minghella, who plays Davus, Hypatiaââ¬â¢s young slave. ââ¬ÅMost actors these days have to play to a green screenââ¬Â instead of a real set, ââ¬Åbut we didnââ¬â¢t have to work as hard to believe all the things we were doing. And Iââ¬â¢d be lying if I said there was not a fair amount of religious debate on the set, which was really stimulating.ââ¬Â Since ââ¬ÅAgoraââ¬Â is a commercial enterprise, it also includes a romantic subplot. Though Hypatia never married and once publicly displayed a cloth clotted with menstrual blood to argue against the attractions of carnal love, an episode reproduced in ââ¬ÅAgora,ââ¬Â the film places her at the center of an unrequited love triangle: both Davus and an admiring student who becomes imperial prefect of Alexandria pine fruitlessly for her. Ms. Weisz, who in 2006 won an Academy Award as best supporting actress for her role in ââ¬ÅThe Constant Gardener,ââ¬Â describes herself as ââ¬Åextremely passionate about what I doââ¬Â and initially found Hypatiaââ¬â¢s cool rationality hard to fathom. Early on, she said, she ââ¬Åhalf-jokinglyââ¬Â suggested a masturbation scene for Hypatia to Mr. Amenábar, who demurred. ââ¬ÅMy fear was that she would be a brain on legs, and that is not interesting to watch,ââ¬Â Ms. Weisz explained. ââ¬ÅMy hope was that she would be passionate and emotional and full of feeling, even though it was not being channeled into the sexual, personal, human realm. She is in love with science, with learning. It turned her on; that was the only way I could think of it.ââ¬Â Gaps in the historical record allowed the filmmakers to take other liberties for dramatic effect. Mr. Amenábar brought a British historical consultant, Justin Pollard, author of ââ¬ÅThe Rise and Fall of Alexandria: Birthplace of the Modern Mind,ââ¬Â and a Spanish astronomer onto the set, but also simplified or diverged from the facts when it suited his purposes. The historical Hypatia, for example, may have been much older at her death than the age suggested for her in ââ¬ÅAgora.ââ¬Â The film also shows her theorizing that our planetary system is heliocentric more than a millennium before Copernicus and Galileo argued that the earth is not the center of the universe, but the historical record, while full of references to her brilliance, is sketchy on that point. ââ¬ÅBecause there are so many holes in the story, you have a lot of scope for putting in your own drama,ââ¬Â Mr. Pollard said. ââ¬ÅNo works of Hypatia survive, and her story is one told in fragments written by various authors in smaller pieces in other books that are now lost, translated into Arabic and which then came back to the West. So you have to take it all with a pinch of salt.ââ¬Â The film also glosses over some of the distinctions between the library and museum of Alexandria, founded in the third century B.C., and what befell them afterward. Roman-era chronicles, as well as later works, suggest that at least part of the library was destroyed when Julius Caesar invaded Egypt in 48 B.C., and that Christians were responsible only for the damage done in Hypatiaââ¬â¢s time to a secondary ââ¬Ådaughter library,ââ¬Â which may also have been attacked by Muslim conquerors in the seventh century A.D. ââ¬ÅThere is always license,ââ¬Â Mr. Amenábar said when asked about his focus on Christian depredations. ââ¬ÅBut in comparison to cinema today, we tried to be very rigorous and faithful to reality.ââ¬Â In Europe, where ââ¬ÅAgoraââ¬Â was released last year and became the box office champion of 2009 in Spain, that portrayal of Christian zealotry has provoked controversy. Hoping to head off trouble with the Vatican, the filmââ¬â¢s Italian distributor, for example, invited Roman Catholic clergy members to an advance screening but described their reaction as ââ¬Åall on edge.ââ¬Â And fearing attacks on its Coptic Christian minority, Egypt has restricted showings of ââ¬ÅAgoraââ¬Â there, according to news reports. ââ¬ÅFundamentally, this is a very Christian film about the life of a martyr,ââ¬Â Mr. Amenábar said. ââ¬ÅIt denounces intolerance and pays homage to those voices that favor serenity and dialogue. Jesus would not have approved of what happened to Hypatia, which is why I say no good Christian should feel offended by this film.ââ¬Â Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 06-22-2010 [quote name='G.Subramaniam' date='22 June 2010 - 07:48 AM' timestamp='1277172640' post='107116']ââ¬ÅAgora,ââ¬Â [...] also features a large, cosmopolitan and polyglot cast, including actors from Britain, France, Latin America, Israel and the Arab world who are Christian, Muslim and Jewish.[/quote] Huh, what? What do islamaniacs have to do with Hypatia's life and times? Christists, yes: they were the terrorists. And while Jewish people certainly existed at the time, how are they relevant to this case? [In contrast, all three monotheisms (<- it's their term for themselves, so can use it; it's the Other that does not self-identify: heathens don't have a worldview that necessitates the forging of ideas like polytheism for contrastiveness, heathens' traditions/books don't boo at one-gawd-isms) - in contrast, all 3 monotheisms have a place in that absurd Ridley Scott film "Kingdom of Heaven" - the movie about the crusaders and the islamaniacs illegally taking Jewish land that was illegally-occupied by christomaniacs. (I expected better of Scott who IIRC had directed the brilliant BladeRunner. Although, the brilliance there was not in the direction but in Sid the Visual Futurist, the composer Vangelis and Philip K Dick, who authored Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep.)] But note how there's no representation of the actual (only) people who matter here: the Hellenes. They are not allowed to represent themselves. it's christoislamaniacs and other unrelated persons playing them. (It's non-Hellenes who wrote this script, so it's not a Hellenistic viewpoint at all. In fact, matters are worse.) The christists hired ought to play the villains only: as was their historical role. But I bet that's not the case in this film: bet some of the terrorists played the Hellenes, the very people their religion victimised. Even the director sounds decidedly christist (see final para of the NYT article). Quote:(Max Minghella, who plays DavusJa ja, sounds vastly stimoolating. (Ben ik blij dat ik niet intellectueel ingesteld ben.) Again, how is this relevant? There's no Hellenes. Those present were all debating to the air. What do christoislamania - or even Judaism and atheism/agnosticism - have to do with Hellenismos? Nothing. Zilch. These entitites on the set can debate all they want, but there's no representation of the legitimates here, so the 'religious debate' can be no more than some irrelevant babbling between Judaism and its unwanted unintended heresies. And how "stimulating" can a "religious debate" be between monotheists - *especially* when it involves christoislamanics? And later come the paras that say it all: Quote:ââ¬ÅThere is always license,ââ¬Â Mr. Amenábar said when asked about his focus on Christian depredations. ââ¬ÅBut in comparison to cinema today, we tried to be very rigorous and faithful to reality.ââ¬ÂWhat a lie. (Or self-delusion. Call it what you will.) Quote:In Europe, where ââ¬ÅAgoraââ¬Â was released last year and became the box office champion of 2009 in Spain, that portrayal of Christian zealotry has provoked controversy. Hoping to head off trouble with the Vatican, the filmââ¬â¢s Italian distributor, for example, invited Roman Catholic clergy members to an advance screening but described their reaction as ââ¬Åall on edge.ââ¬Â And fearing attacks on its Coptic Christian minority, Egypt has restricted showings of ââ¬ÅAgoraââ¬Â there, according to news reports.To worry about - and act around - catholic opinion on historical truth implies christist tendencies in the creators of the film. And most especially this: Quote:ââ¬ÅFundamentally, this is a very Christian film about the life of a martyr,ââ¬Â Mr. Amenábar said. ââ¬ÅIt denounces intolerance and pays homage to those voices that favor serenity and dialogue. Jesus would not have approved of what happened to Hypatia, which is why I say no good Christian should feel offended by this film.ââ¬ÂIf that para doesn't prove that this film is just pre-emptive christian apologetics - trying to hijack the voice of the legitimates (the Hellenes) and put words in their mouths and give the christist slant to historical events - then I don't know what could further set alarm bells off in heathen heads the world over of how this movie is but more christism afoot. Enough with the lying ("apologetics"). It wasn't "bad unchristian so-called christians" who killed hypatia and destroyed the many libraries. It was True Christianism - hence True Christians - who did it. It is the one-and-only christianism which has therefore been oft-repeated the world over. Genociding heathens, destroying their Temples, burning their books and libraries - it's what christos=arch-terrorists DO. It's their way, their ideology. But all this destruction is not enough for christos. Because once it's over, they insist on lying about it too: they lie about history. When they get caught and are facing exposure (such as now, when more people in the world know about Hypatia and the Lib of Alexandria, despite the 'holy' church doing its best to keep it all covered for so long), christists make an Apologetics Film about it. The world knows it's the christians that did it. So they are now playing the "Good Christians Didn't Do it (Wouldn' Have Done It) Because Jesus Wouldn't Have Done It" card. [Of course jeebus would have done it had he existed: it is *commanded* in the OT, and as the non-existent jeebus is made to say in the babble: he came to uphold the Law (i.e OT).] And so the latest apologetics too: what A LIE. The christo Lies never end. They are killing Hypatia all over again: maiming the accurate memory of her. This movie is just another subversion of actual history: of actual events AND voices. I can't work out why they're recommending it at http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2010/06/new-film-recommendationagora.html (Hmmm, the comment there mistakes Agora as referring to some Hindu word - the comment can't mean Aghora, since in Samskritam gh is obviously an entirely different letter/sound from g. Plus: Agora is just 3 syllables for goodness sake, is it beyond conception that the Greeks could have such a word too? Here, Agora is referring to a very Greek term, which in this age has also gained the derived meaning of internet forums. Hence the forums at Ysee.gr are called.... Agora.) This movie is just the christianism of the 20th/21st century. Initially, the christists were jubilant about having massacred Hypatia. Eventually they figured they better make up some 'learned' santa woman to compete with Hypatia: http://freetruth.50webs.org/C1.htm Quote:St Catharine of Alexandria: So now that the santa christist woman has been exposed as one-more convenient cover-up christofiction, and the church has to admit to the murder of Hypatia without being able to resort to their equal-equal using the non-existent Santa Catherine of Alexandria, the pious sheep have jumped to making a film on Hypatia before anyone else does it. So as to give the christian spin first ("it wasn't 'true christians' and jeebus didn't do it") and thereby imprint their own views on the world (audience) beforehand, however subtle the christianism in the views may be. After all, this is the Last Stage Of Apologetics: admit to the crime, but deny that true christians had done it ('christianism is incapable' argument). Aren't people sick of the christist subversion (such as through apologetics=excuses=lying) already? Why support this mental subversion with money? The people who made it have laid bare their motivations. What else is there to know. Better for heathens to spend money on heathen cinema instead. There are nations which still produce excellent, excellent *heathen* films. (Not India, of course. Indian cinema has been christoislamised but has a secular veneer in order to make the gullibles in the Hindoo target audience swallow it. A few decades ago, Hindus still made their own films: films for their own people. Now, those individus with Hindu ancestry make secular junk - a lot christoconditioned and islam-hindu bhai bhai. And the christoislamis make christoislamic/anti-Hindu movies: islamania now owns 'bollywood', may as well call it pak/puke cinema unless the audience agrees that urdu is the Hindi region's language. Christomania is going to make a bid to take over Indian cinema in southern regions. And then there's commie cinema. No doubt it's all secular coincidence again. Government. Education/History. Awards. Media. Cinema. The whole brainwashing system in place. Yes, what a coincidence.) Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 06-22-2010 And about the following: [quote name='G.Subramaniam' date='22 June 2010 - 07:48 AM' timestamp='1277172640' post='107116']The film also glosses over some of the distinctions between the library and museum of Alexandria, founded in the third century B.C., and what befell them afterward. Roman-era chronicles, as well as later works, suggest that at least part of the library was destroyed when Julius Caesar invaded Egypt in 48 B.C., and that Christians were responsible only [color="#800080"](!!!!)[/color] for the damage done in Hypatiaââ¬â¢s time to a secondary ââ¬Ådaughter library,ââ¬Â which may also have been attacked by Muslim conquerors in the seventh century A.D.[/quote]Bij Donar, look at their lying (deception by misleading)! It's amazing how brazen they are. People would already know, but still - in case someone who read the article in G Sub's post doesn't: 1. About the Alexandrian Library. From the timeline "Summarised from Vlasis Rassias' book "DEMOLISH THEM..", published in Greek, Athens 2000 (2nd edition)": http://www.ysee.gr/index-eng.php?type=english&f=lovestories Quote:391 Now what are they saying (in very clear English) has happened? In 391, christos demolished the Temple of Serapis in Alexandria and desecrate its Images AND burnt its library. That's just one of those of Alexandria. But that's not all the christos=christoterrorists did. But there's more, as confessed by early christios and confirmed by the later Gibbon: http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/hypatia.html Quote:The Library of Alexandria So, to remind oneself, where did Hypatia fit in all of this? Well, she was murdered some years afterwards - in 415 - by another christomaniac (I mean: True Christian, On Fire For non-existent Jeebus): bishop Cyril of Alexandria, nephew and successor of bishop True Christian Theophilus who was already seen above: Quote:415By the way, remember that Bishop Cyril was sainted: it's *Santa* Cyril <- so that gives one an additional appreciation of the degree to which the Roman church is hyper-uneasy about even this movie. (Wasn't Cyril a Church Father to boot? If so, would makes him even more extra important.) I'm going to just print my long-standing assumption that there's only one famous Bishop Cyril in all the 4th/early 5th century story: the same guy who tried his Most Ultimate Bestest christist apologetics on (as he admitted) only the easiest of points raised by the earlier Emperor Julian in said Emperor's work which debunked christianism. There's a bit more on Hypatia at http://freetruth.50webs.org/A1.htm in the section "Alexandria: its temples, its Great Library and Hypatia". The section that ends with: Quote:After Hypatia's murder the scholars left en masse and Alexandria became steadily less stable. It was overrun by those monks who evolved into the Copts and who were opposed to scientific and classical knowledge. Some time later, Alexandria revolted against Constantinople. It splintered into two factions contending between two Patriarchs, and eventually Alexander's city fell to Moslem conquerors who, of like mind to their Christian predecessors, had the last of the library burned in 686 CE - as fuel in the bath-houses.So islamaniacs destroyed the last library of ancient GR (or whatever remained of it at the time), but christos had completely destroyed all the other ones. (One notes that Foote and Wheeler have aptly titled their book Crimes of christianism, instead of excusing the inexcusable "christianism".) http://www.bandoli.no/tolerance.htm Quote:With pious enthusiasm the ancient pagan temples, works of art and libraries (note the plural) were destroyed, and trampled by rampant Christians in a frenzied religious demolition craze. Under the command of bishops and abbots Christian monks were often the most active. The Greek called them ââ¬Åswinish black-clothsââ¬Â, because ââ¬Åthey looked like men but lived like pigsââ¬Â. A contemporary writer tells us ââ¬Åarmed with clubs or stones and swords they ran to the temples, some without these weapons only with their bare hands and feetââ¬Â (Libanios ââ¬ÅPro templesââ¬Â 389 AD). As soon as they had destroyed one temple, they dashed away to the next. They toppled over walls, smashed idols, statues and art-objects and altars, and stole the temples wealth for themselves. 2. As already mentioned in the above quoteblock, the christoterrorists demolished many GR libraries. Practically ALL the libraries of GR (the islamaniacs got the last one). E.g. here's the comparatively 'benign' christian (i.e. christoterrorist) Emperor Jovian, who succeeded the assassinated Emperor - and Hero of Hellenismos and ultimately all heathenism - Julian: Quote:364See, that's before bishop Theophilus destroyed the Alexandrian Grand Library/ies. And before Cyril's christomob massacred Hypatia. Remember that there were a great many more libraries in GR - all burnt down in time by christists. Christists today, having become cornered on what christianism did to Alexandria's Libraries, have resorted to pretending that Alexandria's lib was the only "one" - conveying this convenient myopic view of the issue, they adjust the angle of their apologetics/excuses for christianism to dealing with just this one case. It's akin to how christoislamaniacs make up lie after lie to deny what happened to the Kovil at Ayodhya, by systematically ignoring, hence hiding, how islamania (and christomania) destroyed a great many Hindu and other Dharmic Temples all over India. The fact is, what befell Alexandria's library was part of a christist pattern that had started earlier and would continue after. (Just like the Kovil/Mandiram at Ayodhya and Somnath was just one in thousands of Hindu Temples destroyed by the islamaniacs. It is an instance.) E.g. other libraries the christists famously burnt down include not just the one in Antioch that the christian emperor Jovian ordered burnt, but the Julian Library. So the burning of GR libraries continued past the 4th century into the 6th at least: http://freetruth.50webs.org/C2a.htm and http://freetruth.50webs.org/C2b.htm tells not about a 'holy' bishop like Theophilus, or a sainted church father like bishop Cyril, but of a famous pope: Quote:Gregory I 590-604 Greatest slave owner of his century, also burnt libraries, and was the first Pope to sell relicsAnd, as has been mentioned often enough, the works by the ex-catholic-turned-atheist McCabe were on the Catholic Church's list of forbidden books (i.e. the papist sheep weren't allowed to read them). The Hellenistic GrecoRomans liked and valued books (which is why their libraries and museums were attached to Temples/their Gods). Of course, as people know, the Hellenes at least weren't into the pretty-only-in-theory idea of free speech (=in practice always "Freedom To Christolie, but Heathens Shut Up". Blasphemy laws are always against non-christoislamics and after that against heretics. Such 'laws' made by secularism are at the expense of heathenism only while it is in the majority. When christoislamism gains power, Free Speech sentiments vanish into thin air). While Celts didn't write down their stuff, and early Persians apparently disapproved of writing *because* lies are long-lived, Romans for example didn't like junk works and so didn't remotely approve of all books blindly. They weren't all for works that disparaged their Gods either (in English need to use the term "blasphemy" again, but the distinction is that the GrecoRomans disproved of lies against their True Gods. Whereas blasphemy in christoislamism is a charge directed against revealing facts about christoislamism's non-existent nasty entity jeebusjehovallah. Note the massive distinction - it's one that heathens automatically make). And, as always, that incomparable Julian was X steps ahead: as I would no doubt have stated several times, even in that ancient age he was against works-that-pretended-to-be-history-but-were-fiction-and-didn't-say-they-were-fiction. I.e. he was after the Gospels in particular, since such works were at the root of such problems: historical fictions which used actual settings to peddle the lies they contained among the gullibles who couldn't/didn't know to sift the truth from the delusional makebelieve they were being sold. So very different from the sort of people today, who, without thinking through implications (no independent thought), blindly support frequently-peddled simplistic (but popular!) notions like "Freedom To Speech/Screech": i.e. Freedom To Lie, which is the situation whereby lies are essentially automatically given the same weighted value as truth, since there's no mandate that goes with the Free Speech thing insisting that people write disclaimers indicating exactly what is just fiction (i.e. a lie) or mere supposition (i.e. opinion) vs what is verifiable truth (i.e. fact). Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 06-26-2010 Still on Alexandrian libraries. I forgot about the following last time... Repeat of some old stuff collated by Michael Kalopoulos. Belongs here because it's more of "Christoterrorism Caught With Red Hands: Back When It Was Still Proud of It" - Relevant bit in blue. (My insert in purple.) Also replaced angle brackets used in the original for content quoted from ancient sources with italic bookends and/or with embedding quotes. http://web.archive.org/web/20061108080212/www.greatlie.com/en/articles.cfm?action=detail&id=21 Quote:WERE THE FATHERS OF THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH PHILHELLENES?The bits above that aren't about the Alexandrian lib are included so that anyone unfamiliar will learn that the christians HATED all of Greek religion (including, as you see, Greek philosophy - which was part of Hellenistic religion). Christianism's hatred of Hellenistic religion (dubbed merely "Greek culture" as Indians do of Hindu Dharmic tradition) is important to remember because: 1. The christians did NOT preserve it. But they destroyed it. Examples of evidence are in the above quoteblock and the preceding post. 2. Early christianism (and its corporeal body, christians) sucked out the Hellenistic host. It stole from Hellenismos and killed it. Completely. It was achieved through the process of inculturation: appropriation. 3. A great many centuries later, christians once more stole and stole and then stole again from Hellenismos (e.g. the philosophical aspect of Hellenismos, which is actually intrinsic and inseparable from it). And then christianism started claiming they preserved Greco(Roman) "culture". So when christists today are inculturating (appropriating from) Hindu Dharma, it really ought to be a deafening wake up call for Hindus. Because this is exactly what christianism did to Hellenismos. Every aspect of the religious Hellene's life was copied and perverted, trivialised, inverted. All of these were mimicked in an ugly distorted mirror by the christoterrorists. Because christoism is not a religion (jeebus never existed) it has no creativity. Christianism can therefore only inculturate parasitically to gain what it does not have: a culture shell to surround its ideology with (acquired by first divorcing *heathen* culture from the very heathen religion it is innately part of) - and then kill the host heathenism. Every single encroachment of christoism on Hindu religion should be recognised by Hindus for what it is: a step in christianism's process of destroying Hindu Dharma by first stealing from it. I.e. inculturation forms part of christianism's Replacement Theology. - Hindus should stop feeling "complimented" by christists' thievery. - They should stop feeling "glad" in their blind nationalism that christists are "integrating" and becoming more 'Indian'/'indigenous'. This is NOT integration, it is inculturation. It is a fatal stab wound administered by a dark-alley mugger/serial-killer. Then there's also church-mandated infiltration (not just inter-marriage, but also christian insinuation into Hindu events and into Hindus' company: they go out looking for events of heathens congregating, to insinuate themselves=their christianism into Hindus' lives. This too is church mandate by the way. And apparently missionaries' PhDs as well.) - Hindus really ought to stop pretending that deeply Hindu (i.e. religious) things are merely 'Indian' or some unaffiliated 'culture' with a token Hindu prefix (or "Indian culture"), let alone something 'universal' to be shared with the rest of the world (Yoga etc). Hmmm. There was one more thing on Chrysostom, the archbishop of Constantinople and a "Father of the Church" (= one of those early important christians who defined what christianism was) - who had railed against Alexandria's Temple of Serapis and its Library to further inflame his faithful christo sheep into destroying it. Like bishop Cyrillus, Chrysostom is yet another revered Santa: http://freetruth.50webs.org/C1.htm Quote:St John Chrysostom: He hated Greek civilization and was bent upon its destruction. He gathered monks to destroy ancient Greek buildings and their "idols". Like many another Churchfather, he was a great anti-semite who added much to the Church's teachings on the matter. He was also an advocate of slavery. And like Bishop Eusebius, John was a well-known author of outrageous Christian fiction which he passed off as fact. He was also a self-confessed proponent of lying:So Chrysostom is anti-semite, pro-slavery, destroyer of Temples and images of Gods and heathen libraries, and liar for gawd? Of course he's a christian saint. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 06-27-2010 Read after the opening quoteblock of the ^ previous post ^ 1. news.in.msn.com/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=4054480&page=16 Quote:22/06/2010("Mythical Saraswati" repeated on most every page.) Either converts or cowards (pick one) wrote the story. It reads like an erstwhile christobrit wrote it - but it's probably an 'Indian' who did. Totally alienated from Hindu Dharma, like most are. Indian christoised ignorants, so proud of their bad - usually deeply bad - English (the only language they 'know', I'm betting), usually have to follow their mention of "Sadhus" with an explanation for their fellow 'Indian' ignorants: "Sadhus (Indian holy men)". You know you're in for total loserness. Note the infinite repeat of the "mythical Saraswati". If that isn't penned by a christobrit's illegal offspring... (But nice to see images such as of how there still exist Hindus who continue to do pooja to the Cow, without remotely needing to resort to excuses which the angelsk-speakers always have to come up with when they feel divided inside. But then, cowards are a class apart.) Oh and the comments section has full-on christoterrorist gems like - a) the almost - almost - "secular"-sounding: Quote:worries b ) And then comes a comment with overt christianism: Quote:at his own handsreminds one of the verbal christianism=terrorism of the christoterrorist church fathers which preceded the christomobs in Greece and Rome, nah? First comes the violent christoterrorist words, then comes the burning of all things heathen. Note that this christoterrorism against Hindus is happening on an Indian MSN site. (Again, one more example of how islam=christianism=islam=christianism=..., etc.) No, christianism doesn't change: This is all there is to christianism. 2. To the right of the same MSN "india" page linked above, can see a video "The Indian Rupee to get a makeover" where the opening frame shows the image of the new 1 and 2 Rupee coins. No crosses or santa women this time (that's going by the heads end of the coins visible in the video frame). But before one cheers too soon, can see how [color="#0000FF"]the coins sport meaningless psecular 1 finger and two finger engravings on them[/color], respectively. No doubt the initial ideas that were floated of santas and crosses were deemed too ... too premature for a nation that still has more non-christians than christoism (including crypto-christianism) is ready to openly antagonise at present. So christoism has resorted to laying more of the necessary groundwork, by doing what communism in China does best (and Russia did): pretend the nation is uniformly secular/unreligious/atheist and has no indigenous religions. 'All religions equally ignored.' Not just the illegitimate ones of christoislamania, but the native, ancestral ones too. It is the beginning: "India is a secular nation" (where, in practice, "secular" translates to "anti-Hindu" in matters like temple management to govt subsidies to media reporting). But later, when christoism has secured a better/more powerful position, the crusading crusader crosses will be back. And not just on the coins. - Because, at that point there will be more than merely christoterrorist comments calling Hindus who practise Hindu Dharma (like our rituals/festivals) "satansim=demonism=paganism" (<- see that is the definition that "paganism" has in English and other languages formed by christo-influence. It's why the Hellenes don't like it either. They know what it means, what it has always meant since christianism. Angelsk-speaking Hindus keep using that word. But it doesn't mean what Indians imagine it does.) - Because, at that point christos will be actively preventing Hindus from worshipping the Hindus' Gods. Christos in India have long been preventing Hindus already by taking over Mandirams, destroying sacred Hindu sites like Ramarsethu and by making festivals and Yatras exceedingly difficult to carry out (and the christist reasoning and planning behind such goings-on is not entirely unknown or undeclared), but christos=terrorists have usually been doing so from behind secular cover so far. But when the time is ripe, they will do so quite openly - as openly as the comment at indian MSN above expresses christoism's biblical views in words. But when the words turn to actions (as they are intended to in time)... Rome and Greece may seem too remote for people to contemplate. But there are nearer instances. South Korea is not far away. Nor are the christoterrorist events that recently transpired there (and continue to, btw): destruction of Buddhist and native Korean religious temples and gradual suppression, even prohibition, of practising the Korean religions. So, it really is extremely ostrich-like to imagine that "such things could not happen in India", especially when quite regularly some Hindu temples and vigrahas have already been desecrated, vandalised and burnt by christoterrorists, and others have more recently been openly threatened by christoterrorists (Kapaleeshwarar Kovil). Not to mention the entire genocide of Hindu and other Dharma that christism has inflicted and continues to inflict in the NE like Nagaland, Tripura, Arunachal Pradesh and spilling over into Assam too. http://www.buddhapia.com/eng/tedesco/pic1/list.html South Korea, christist deacon (priest) comments on the string of incessant christian attacks against Buddhist temples: Quote:Deacon Lee Bahn-Sung - a former Buddhist turned Christian declares on BBC-World (TV), Asia Today, May 21, [color="#FF0000"]1999[/color] [color="#800080"](=practically yesterday)[/color]:A man who knows his bible=word of gawd/jeebusjehovallah. It commands the demolition of heathen temples (in Deuteronomy, I think it was). Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 06-27-2010 And in other news: http://christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=NEWS&id=1277145268 Quote:Jharkhand Bishop openly backs Maoist cause- Like cryptochristian Suzanne 'Arundhati' Roy. (Who described maoists as "gandhians with guns" - which would be her psecular way of saying "followers of jeebus, prince of peace".) See "Arundhati backs Maoists, dares authorities to arrest her" 03/06/2010 (great, arrest the ancient harpy already. As if her perpetual whining and support for islamoterrorism was not enough, now she has to support christocommuniterrorism as well) Quote:Mumbai: Criticism for romanticising Naxalism notwithstanding, Booker Prize winning author Arundhati Roy has justified the armed resistance by Maoists and dared the authorities to arrest her for supporting their cause.- Like IIRC journalist-turned-Santa-Sonia-govt-appointee John Dayal too. - Like a vast number of other christians in India too, including the many maoist-christian murderers of Swami Lakshmanananda. Communism incl. maoism are used as a cover for the real ideology. (Christianism hasn't really 'hijacked' communism, the two meet anyway: communism is the precursor. But the difference is that in India, communism is frequently a conscious cover used by christianism. Parroting oneself is not really meaningful, already stated something to this effect earlier.) 1. Confirmation on Dayal: timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Conversion_is_constitutional_right/articleshow/3595972.cms via originally this post Quote:"How can you stop from listening to your conscience? I was a Christian, then a non-believer Marxist for 25 years and now I am Christian again," said Dayal, on the occasion of World Religious Freedom Day, and called for a ban on saffron groups like VHP and Bajrang Dal.Am sure he made early maoist connections for the True Religion and its church in those 25 years. And his declaring that he merely 'hopped' from one christianism to another during this stage makes for a convenient cover (must have deniability after all: "I was a non-believer marxist in the crucial period of making marxist buddies"). He also "predicted" (i.e. sinisterly alluded to/threatened) grave consequences for Swami Lakshmanananda - reminiscent of the usual christian assassination 'prophecies' which have a very, very long track-record. What a miracle that christian maoists obliged. And of course Dayal helped cover for christoterrorism in Kandhamal with his christist reporting dubbed "fact finding". 2. Plus as was already known after Swami Lakshmanananda's brutal murder by christians=terrorists, it's a lot more than mere christist 'sympathy' for 'maoists'/communists. The christists ARE the maoists/communits: http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2010/06/government-official-admits-maoist-links.html Quote:Saturday, June 05, 2010 3. And then there's also christists working with/hiring communism: http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2010/05/vaticans-hands-are-bloody-they.html Quote:vatican's hands are bloody -- they supported genocide in rwanda 4. And then there's islamaniac supporters of communism, and the other communist heresies (here marxism) supporting maoism. And supporting the christists who are supporting communism. (I.e. all the "seculars" gathered for one cause.) http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2010/05/marxists-and-islamists-gang-up-in-favor.html Quote:Wednesday, May 12, 2010 Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - HareKrishna - 07-04-2010 The pope launch the re-evangelisation of the West and express worries about the progressive secularization of these areas. http://www.antena3.ro/externe/papa-lanseaza-echipa-pentru-re-evanghelizarea-occidentului_102745.html The russian patriarch salute the catholic plan and latter say that Europe need the collective efforts of all european christians against secularization forces that try to force anti-christians feelings and protect christians from discrimination.The russian patriarch express his support for catholic tentative against italian CEDO initiative to remove the crucifixes from the italian schools. http://www.antena3.ro/externe/biserica-rusa-lanseaza-o-cruciada-contra-occidentului_102912.html Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 07-05-2010 http://rajeev2004.blogspot.com/2010/07/proof-that-nepals-maoist-terrorists-are.html Quote:Saturday, July 03, 2010The indicators are constant. LTTE in SL, Dravoodianism (=cryptochristianism in TN), Maoism in Orissa, Maoism in Nepal. All cryptochristianisms. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - HareKrishna - 07-05-2010 ![]() Uploaded with ImageShack.us Christo-islamo-communism under a single sign <img src='http://www.india-forum.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':lol:' /> Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 07-11-2010 Two things to do with some things in post 301 1. On Roncalli, Vatican II, heresy, anti-pope, automatic ex-communication, allegations of freemasonry, etc. Quote: http://www.sarabite.info/pd-popes.htmlLike I had stated, there were two John XXIIIs, the later one being Angelo Roncalli of Vatican II who had loosened up the catholic church a little with his Vatican II reforms. I'd said I suspected that it would be Roncalli whose remains were 'disturbed' to plonk JPII down in his place (since the other, earlier, Pope John XXIII was a declared anti-pope and therefore not likely to have been given such an important burial spot). Also said that the choice to move Roncalli wasn't mere coincidence: JPII and Ratzy both rolled back a lot of the stuff in Vatican II - such as how JPII brought back exorcism which Roncalli had got the church to abandon - and have been privately intent on undoing all of Roncalli's reforms. Because Roncalli is popular among the liberal catholic crowd, the Catholic Church can't officially get the deceased pope for heresy. (Remember that in early catholic history, some deceased popes who were adjudged heretics by later successors got dug up, excommunicated, and burnt for their heresy. <- No body, means can't resurrect on Day of Judgement, means no heaven, implies hell. It's why "witches" got burnt. Even exhumation/disturbing the remains is considered fearful in christianism - it's why there was such a condemnation of autopsies for a long time.) So, the fact that: a) it was probably Roncalli's corpse that got dug up to make way for JPII's corpse, b.) JPII and Ratzy have been undoing his Vatican II reforms (obviously they don't like his policy, i.e. consider it uncatholic), and c) they can't show this disapproval of Roncalli and what they think is his anti-catholicism in public, because of catholics in the northwest of Europe remembering him so fondly, ^ All those things made me think that the last two popes consider Roncalli a heretic. This is entirely but a suspicion of course. But consider: they can only silently make him go into the annals of the forgotton, precisely because he is popular with a section of modern catholicism. They can't publicly dig him up, try his corpse (as happened to at least one pope long ago) and burn it for heresy (as happened to I think more than one pope long ago). Instead, they achieve Posthumous Demotion of Roncalli by moving his remains, for such seemingly random and inconspicuous reasons like putting the more popular (because more recent) JPII in his place. Playacting like: "The burial spaces in the Vatican Grotto are full. Oh look, why don't we move Roncalli/John XXIII out of the way? Good idea." The following page makes me think it not unlikely: the voice of a less liberal, hence Truer catholic section of the holy sheep suspects Roncalli of being a Freemason. (It's a page by catholics who, though suspicious of opus dei, are very catholic in many another respect.) Anyway, what is important is that they consider Roncalli an anti-pope. And based on the following, one has more reason to think the last two popes and their Vatican privately regarded Roncalli an anti-pope too. www.opusdeialert.com/roncaliamason.htm Documented Evidence that Angelo Roncalli a.k.a "pope" John XXIII was a Freemason Starts with this interesting bit: Quote:The following article (below) was originally printed in the Portugal Daily News on November 11, 2002. It provides documented evidence that "Cardinal" Angelo Roncalli was a practicing Freemason, which incurs automatic excommunication from the Catholic Church. Also, Roncalli's illegal usurpation of the papal throne by force, at the 1958 Papal Conclave, from the lawfully elected and true Pontiff, Gregory XVII formally Cardinal Giuseppe Siri of Genoa, Italy (Click here for information, including recently declassified FBI documents pertaining to this sinister crime) makes the use of the term "Pope" in this article, in reference to this gluttonous agent of Satan [Roncalli] an impossibility. Then follows a B&W photo of Roncalli with Freemasons, with the caption: [color="#0000FF"]"Cardinal" Angelo Roncalli a.k.a Anti-Pope John XXIII, was a Documented Freemason[/color] And then this bit: Quote:The implications of FIââ¬â¢s disclosures are of tremendous importance to Catholics worldwide. Under Canon Law any Catholic who [...] becomes a Mason is ipso facto excommunicated from the Church. The consequence regarding Angelo Roncalli, would have been that as an excommunicate it would have been impossible for him to be elected pope. FI also points out that any decrees issued by Roncalli under the mantle of the Papacy would therefore be null and void, including the convoking of the Second Vatican Council in 1962. Hmmm, I'm almost sure the Vatican thinks Roncalli is an anti-pope. An excommunicate certainly. And that explains the rather weighty decision to "lightly" move his remains to make way for JPII. <- Moving bodies of important christist bureaucrats - like Popes - is NOT a simple decision, even if they make it look that way. And then this interesting bit: Quote:Long-standing suspicions regarding John XXIIIââ¬â¢s links to Masonry were further aroused in 1977, fourteen years after his death. Of particular interest was an advertisement published in the USA, Boston Pilot Magazine, which was offering for sale replicas of John XXIIIââ¬â¢s pectoral cross. [color="#FF0000"]The cross was decorated with several Masonic symbols and had been authorised for sale by Archbishop Capovilla of Loreto, Italy, with the backing of the Vatican.[/color] How quaint: the Infiltrati got infiltrated. And they're fretting about the damage done and doing their best to stem it. Not that they should be shocked. After all, several popes in history were regarded as satanists both by entourage and papal successors, weren't they (e.g. look for the words "satan" or "devil" in this list of famous Popes in history). Note that satanism is a branch of christianism (it only exists in christianism and among the christo-conditioned, the free world doesn't believe in satan/jeebus/gawd) that the rest of christianism doesn't get along with. As stated once before, the satanic/luciferian church has the same structure and model as the christian church. Christianism is a dualist religion: one side loves jeebus, the other side loves satan - both are fictional characters from the bible and, going by what critical de-converts from christianism say about the bible/jeebus/gawd/satan, are indeed equated in the biblical text. And remember that next to jeebus/gawd fiction, the greatest pre-occupation of all christians is with the "devil/satan" makebelieve. 2. Remember that movie "Passion of the christ", which news outlets said the Pope had seen and about which he had declared it was 'how the christ fiction actually happened'? Here's recent news on the faithful catholic that made it, Mel Gibson. (Recall that, like the angry Goan faithful Lucio Mascaren~has, Gibson is part of the breakaway True Catholic Church, the Society of St. Pius X. It broke away because the official catholic church had become too lax. But the Vatican has recently reconciled with it, even as it has disassociated itself with the objectionably lax things like Vatican II.) au.ibtimes.com/articles/32764/20100706/mel-gibson-struggles-to-save-career-after-racist-remarks.htm Quote:Jul 7, 2010 06:09 AESTArch-racist, misogynist and anti-semitic. How very catholic of him. Revolting. His racism against Africans sounds so very KKK. Although KKK are faithful christians too, they're protestant. Whatever, all the same. The only good thing in all of this is that maybe arch-catholic Mel and his very christist movies (i.e. hate movies) - such as the anti-Mayan christist propaganda film "Apocalypto" and "Passion of the christ" which repeated the long-standing christian anti-Semitic libel against Jews - will be forever avoided by all decent people. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - dhu - 07-12-2010 [url="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/US-couple-try-to-sell-baby-for-25/articleshow/6091979.cms"]US couple try to sell baby for $25[/url] Quote:An American couple have been arrested for trying to sell their six-month-old baby for $25 outside a department store, police said. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Guest - 07-15-2010 Check out this evanjihadi blog. They are touring Hindu temples, taking advantage of gullible priests to gauge where the faultlines lie. Such deceit. http://www.indiapeacepartners.com/?p=200 |