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Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - dhu - 04-08-2010 Quote:In TN's many parts some christian associations desirious of foreign funds are running childrens home. Now it has come to light that they have made other state children as capital for that. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - acharya - 04-12-2010 [size="7"]Pope 'has no UK arrest immunity'[/size] http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100411/tuk-pope-has-no-uk-arrest-immunity-6323e80.html Plans to have the Pope arrested when he visits the UK will succeed because he is not a head of state, a solicitor has said. Skip related content Atheist authors Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens proposed the action against the Pontiff for his handling of child abuse scandals in the Catholic church. The writers' solicitor Mark Stephens said applications will be made to courts in the UK and the International Criminal Court for a warrant for Pope Benedict XVI's arrest. His likely defence would be be that he is immune from prosecution during his visit to Britain in September, according to the lawyer. Mr Stephens said: "The courts will examine the claim of immunity. I believe that an English court would reject it. If the Pope was here on a state visit, ordinarily a head of state would have sovereign immunity. What I believe is that because he's not a sovereign, not a head of state, he's not entitled to the defence." He said that the Vatican was declared to be a state by Benito Mussolini, but this had no standing in international law. The Pope faced criticism after it emerged that he signed a letter which delayed the punishment of a paedophile priest in the US for the "good of the universal church". Writing in 1985, the future Pontiff said that he needed more time to consider the case. Mr Stephens, who has represented abuse victims in the past said: "This will require the Pope to deal with the way in which he appears to have prioritised the reputation of the Catholic church over the welfare of children." Potential charges against the Pope would be crimes against humanity. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - acharya - 04-12-2010 Quote:In TN's many parts some christian associations desirious of foreign funds are running childrens home. Now it has come to light that they have made other state children as capital for that. Can those foriegn funds be booked under law for promoting child abuse Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - acharya - 04-12-2010 http://www.google.com/search?q=pope+arrest&hl=en&tbs=nws:1&tbo=u&ei=hDTCS41axvmcB8SwibAK&sa=X&oi=news_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CAsQsQQwAA Pope's immunity could be challenged in Britainââ¬Å½ The Associated Press - Paisley Dodds - Apr 4, 2010 LONDON ââ¬â Protests are growing against Pope Benedict XVI's planned trip to Britain, ... Recent examples include British judges who issued an arrest warrant ... Telegraph.co.uk Atheists Want to Arrest the Popeââ¬Å½ New York Magazine - 1 hour ago Prominent atheists Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens will attempt to have the Pope arrested during a state visit to Britain in September, ... British Academic Richard Dawkins Seeks To Have Pope Arrestedââ¬Å½ - IndyPosted (blog) Richard Dawkins: I will arrest Pope Benedict XVIââ¬Å½ - Times Online I will have the Pope arrested, says atheist academic Dawkinsââ¬Å½ - DigitalJournal.com The Catholic League of Australia - NewsTime http://news.google.com/news/more?q=pope+arrest&hl=en&resnum=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dPV9ji_YK4l1KgMAEobo82-7XM7JM&ei=iTTCS424LoP6sgPc9IT5Cg&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&cd=1&resnum=6&ved=0CFQQqgIoADAF ![]() Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - acharya - 04-12-2010 Quote:McDaid told Associated Press he had left the chapel believing Benedict had grasped the scale of the problem and the pain caused by it. But two years of subsequent inaction by the church left him disillusioned. "Was it a PR move? Looking back at that now, I have to say it was. Everything they do is not about the children. It's about the church. It's always the church first," he said. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/apr/11/pope-uk-visit-abuse-victims Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Bharatvarsh2 - 04-14-2010 Here it is from the horse's mouth: Quote:Part of the misguided finger-pointing stems from what Mangalwadi calls a growing Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Bharatvarsh2 - 04-14-2010 Quote:German groups pump in Rs9710169000 to India annually Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Guest - 04-14-2010 The full FCRA report for 2007-2008 is available here: http://www.mha.nic.in/fcra/annual/ar2007-08.pdf Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - acharya - 04-15-2010 [size="6"]The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power (Hardcover) [/size] Checking in on a friend's brother at Ivenwald, a Washington-based fundamentalist group living communally in Arlington, Va., religion and journalism scholar Sharlet finds a sect whose members refer to Manhattan's Ground Zero as "the ruins of secularism"; intrigued, Sharlet accepts on a whim an invitation to stay at Ivenwald. He's shocked to find himself in the stronghold of a widespread "invisible" network, organized into cells much like Ivenwald, and populated by elite, politically ambitious fundamentalists; Sharlet is present when a leader tells a dozen men living there, "You guys are here to learn how to rule the world." As it turns out, the Family was established in 1935 to oppose FDR's New Deal and the spread of trade unions; since then, it has organized well-attended weekly prayer meetings for members of Congress and annual National Prayer Breakfasts attended by every president since Eisenhower. Further, the Family's international reach ("almost impossible to overstate") has "forged relationships between the U.S. government and some of the most oppressive regimes in the world." In the years since his first encounter, Sharlet has done extensive research, and his thorough account of the Family's life and times is a chilling expose. Copyright é Reed Business Information, a division of Reed Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved. A compellingly brilliant account of power in America and how it's shaped by religion. 'The Family' chronicles the ideas advanced by the elite Christian fundamentalist group of that name at the highest levels of government during the past half century. Through its White House and congressional connections, the Family has influenced the deployment of US power, especially in foreign policy during the Cold War and beyond. Led by the talented and Machiavellian Doug Coe, the group has operated sub-rosa in the corridors of power unhindered by democratic accountability. Jeff Sharlet, a scholar-writer on the nexus of religion & politics, pursues three goals in this remarkable book: (1) To trace elite fundamentalism's lineage from Jonathan Edwards in the 18th c. through the 19th c. religious leader Charles Finney to the present; (2) To demonstrate the Family's behind the scenes role in deployment of American power; and (3) To challenge the purely secular American historical narrative by arguing the role of religion behind the facade of formal power. Sharlet accomplishes the first objective with verve, the Finney chapter alone is worth the price of the book. Based on his research in the Family's archives, the second goal is achieved, especially on the group's involvement in blunting US de-Nazification policy in postwar Germany, facilitating Indonesia's Suharto's crushing of East Timor, and encouraging the Somalian dictator and other similar types. The author's third challenge is the most ambitious, but I believe he meets it. In fact, if the critical sociologist C. Wright Mills who wrote the influential 'The Power Elite' (1956) were alive today, I expect he'd be among the first to welcome 'The Family' revelations on the secretive role of Coe's elite "followers of Christ in government, business, and the military" in the projection of American power. The Family is the best book available on the Christian right precisely because it unpacks the ways in which the people often described as such are neither Christian nor right. I don't mean that in the bumper sticker sense - I don't buy (and Sharlet does not suggest) that this elite group of religiously motivated power players are not real Christians because of their political interests (even if the group itself sometimes prefers not to use the word). Rather, he makes the case that such easy categorization does not do justice to, or sufficiently warn against, their actual influence and reach. The story we are often told - that there are "fundamentalists" and "evangelicals" who are easily understood because they are somehow separate from the world the rest of us live in, hidden in megachurches making megaplans -- is not found in this book. Instead, like a carpet expert explaining the patterns in an intricately woven Persian rug, Sharlet shows us how strands of fundamentalism have been woven into the fabric of the nation's history. As a journalist, I know and have worked with Jeff Sharlet, but then everyone who writes about religion does or should. His work is particularly popular among writers who cover religion because he tells a story that many wish they were allowed to tell. The history recounted in The Family is one most media outlets deem too complex for the average reader. (What in the world does union busting have to do with religion? A lot, in fact.) Sharlet does not regard complexity as something to be avoided, however, and his true talent is in finding just the right key for unlocking it. He frames keen-eyed analysis and impeccable research within a gripping narrative that lets readers with even a passing interest in the ways religion has influenced American life and politics understand it in a nuanced way. In an election season in which religion again and again rears its head, this book is particularly relevant. Yet its importance will not fade any time soon. The Family is a hundred year history that shows how we got to this strange place where candidates are forced to damn or defend pastors and everyone must genuflect to the idea that God is a part of the political process. The use of the word "secret" in the subtitle might imply to some that Sharlet is describing a hidden reality. After reading the book, signs of the Family's influence will be obvious to anyone with eyes to see. The Family is the best book available on the Christian right precisely because it unpacks the ways in which the people often described as such are neither Christian nor right. I don't mean that in the bumper sticker sense - I don't buy (and Sharlet does not suggest) that this elite group of religiously motivated power players are not real Christians because of their political interests (even if the group itself sometimes prefers not to use the word). Rather, he makes the case that such easy categorization does not do justice to, or sufficiently warn against, their actual influence and reach. The story we are often told - that there are "fundamentalists" and "evangelicals" who are easily understood because they are somehow separate from the world the rest of us live in, hidden in megachurches making megaplans -- is not found in this book. Instead, like a carpet expert explaining the patterns in an intricately woven Persian rug, Sharlet shows us how strands of fundamentalism have been woven into the fabric of the nation's history. As a journalist, I know and have worked with Jeff Sharlet, but then everyone who writes about religion does or should. His work is particularly popular among writers who cover religion because he tells a story that many wish they were allowed to tell. The history recounted in The Family is one most media outlets deem too complex for the average reader. (What in the world does union busting have to do with religion? A lot, in fact.) Sharlet does not regard complexity as something to be avoided, however, and his true talent is in finding just the right key for unlocking it. He frames keen-eyed analysis and impeccable research within a gripping narrative that lets readers with even a passing interest in the ways religion has influenced American life and politics understand it in a nuanced way. In an election season in which religion again and again rears its head, this book is particularly relevant. Yet its importance will not fade any time soon. The Family is a hundred year history that shows how we got to this strange place where candidates are forced to damn or defend pastors and everyone must genuflect to the idea that God is a part of the political process. The use of the word "secret" in the subtitle might imply to some that Sharlet is describing a hidden reality. After reading the book, signs of the Family's influence will be obvious to anyone with eyes to see. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Bharatvarsh2 - 04-16-2010 Quote:US prosecutor asks pope to help return Indian priest Rajeev comments: Quote:isn't it remarkable that they asked *ratzy* for help, not the indian government? Quote:Indian Priest in Fla. Assault Incident Turns Up in Italy Photo of the accused: ![]() Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Bharatvarsh2 - 04-17-2010 By the way if this is the level of cover up in western countries with stricter law enforcement imagine the crap these sick pedos are getting away with in India (in their missionary run "orphanages" & churches) with a government that only cares about "minorities" having first claim upon resources & winks at Xtian efforts to reduce India to another Philippines, a semi western whore state to be used and abused. What is the level of coverage the sell out Indian media has given this issue? I don't get any Indian channels thankfully so I don't know. I will end with a timely quote from Ishwar Sharan: Quote:16. There have been recent admissions from the Vatican itself about nuns being raped and sometimes murdered by missionaries and priests. Similarly, there was a startling expose in the Kansas City Star about the rate of AIDS among Catholic priests in the US being four times the national average. Does this imply that the system of celibate nuns and monks is not quite working? Incidentally, these reports died quiet deaths in the Indian Press whereas they regularly jump all over allegations of misconduct by Hindu sadhus and saints. Can you imagine the phony outrage that the Indian media & gov't would show if hundreds of Hindu sadhu's have been found molesting kids? There will be calls for gov't take over of all ashrama's and banning sanyasa itself (as they have successfully banned sati through propaganda & imposition of christian morality on us) but they are mum about the issue when Christians are involved. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Bharatvarsh2 - 04-23-2010 Quote:Kanchi seer opposes religious conversion Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - acharya - 05-01-2010 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/30/indian-catholic-bishops-d_n_559299.html Indian Catholic Bishops Draft 'Zero Tolerance' Abuse Policy First Posted: 04-30-10 10:48 PM | Updated: 04-30-10 11:26 PM By Achal Narayanan Religion News Service CHENNAI, India (RNS) Reacting to the Catholic Church's spreading sex abuse scandal, bishops in India have drafted new guidelines that include a zero-tolerance policy for guilty priests. [size="6"] The draft guidelines emerged from the Catholic Bishops Conference of India's meeting in Bangalore which ended Wednesday (April 28). The draft will be sent to the Vatican for approval before being finalized in June.[/size] The bishops' meeting came amid revelations about a priest from India, the Rev. Joseph Palanivel Jeyapaul, who was charged in the United States with sexually assaulting a teenage female parishioner in Minnesota. Jeyapaul, who has since returned to India and is now working in the office of his home diocese, has offered to go back to the U.S. and face any charges there. Critics of the Catholic church highlighted Jeyapaul's case as an example of what they said was the practice of protecting child-molesting priests from the law. "While the general consensus at the conference was to report any suspected case of child sex abuse to the police, measures like defrocking and expulsion would be thought of only if the accused is convicted by a court," CBCI spokesperson Babu Joseph Karakombil told reporters. Cardinal of Mumbai Oswald Gracias has said he favors immediately defrocking priests who admit guilt or are convicted by secular courts. "I am in favor of such stringent action against the guilty," he has said. Story continues below CBCI spokesperson Karakombil said the draft guidelines will be made public when they are finalized. Karakombil recently told AKI, a Rome-based media service, that while some Indian priests have faced sex abuse charges in the United States, accusations in India are rare. Child rights activists, however, say that a lack of disclosure about sex cases in India is a matter of grave concern. They hope the new guidelines will bring in more transparency and accountability. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - acharya - 05-01-2010 I think we are in for some shock this census. I was just playing with Wolfram Alpha and found out that [size="6"]Hinduism now counts for only 74% of population of India!!! Islam is at 12.2 and Christianity at 6.2. So from 2001, Hinduism shrunk 6-7%!!!!![/quote][/size] Thats very interesting. Few months back, I stumbled upon this link and they said the same thing. (Ironically, the site is called persecution.org :roll: ). Note the date, May 21, 2004 ![]() http://www.persecution.org/suffering/countryinfodetail.php?countrycode=3 Quote:With a Muslim president, Sikh prime minister and a Christian head of the governing parliamentary party, the government committed to a policy of tolerance and maintaining a highly diverse society. Yet, the Hindu militant and extremist groups with the support of the BJP at the government level, continue to attack Christian minorities in many states. The anti-conversion bills passed so far make it illegal for people to convert from one faith to another without registering their conversion with the authorities and proving no coercion was involved. Anyone accused of participating in forced conversion can face a 3 year prison sentence. {What an evil "persecuting" law :roll: } Although the Christian population is on the rise and stands at 6% of the country's total population, the government has not released this as an official figure in fear of Hindu extremist reactions. Christian missionaries are having a field day in India. What worries have they got when all the concerns are safely directed against its terrorist twin brother. We must act before become like another South Korea. I met a Christian SoKo guy and he was a Buddhist before. I asked him why he gave up Buddhism. He told me "Buddha Himself said that He cannot rescue me. Then I asked the question who could and found Jesus Christ to be the answer" :-? Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - acharya - 05-01-2010 ![]() Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 05-02-2010 On posts 294 and 295: [quote name='acharya' date='01 May 2010 - 10:10 AM' timestamp='1272688370' post='106167'] I think we are in for some shock this census. I was just playing with Wolfram Alpha and found out that Hinduism now counts for only 74% of population of India!!! Islam is at 12.2 and Christianity at 6.2. So from 2001, Hinduism shrunk 6-7%!!!!! Thats very interesting. Few months back, I stumbled upon this link and they said the same thing. (Ironically, the site is called persecution.org :roll: ). Note the date, May 21, 2004 ![]() http://www.persecution.org/suffering/countryinfodetail.php?countrycode=3 Christian missionaries are having a field day in India. What worries have they got when all the concerns are safely directed against its terrorist twin brother. [color="#0000FF"]We must act before[/color] [color="#800080"](too late)[/color] become like another South Korea. I met a Christian SoKo guy and he was a Buddhist before. I asked him why he gave up Buddhism. He told me "Buddha Himself said that He cannot rescue me. Then I asked the question who could and found Jesus Christ to be the answer" :-?[/quote] I don't get the pretended surprise? (It's a comment on BR, I see.) The percentages were the projected target, and they were not secret (or not kept secret): 1. Years ago christianism had already publicly declared they [color="#FF0000"]intended[/color] to reach that target and stimulate islamania further (as christianism has been doing) to also help with reducing the Hindu and other Dharmic population demographic proportions: http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1118910412 Quote:Mission and Vision of the Christian Missionaries of Colonial Kerala http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=NEWS&id=1098319242 Quote:Christian encyclopaedia projects fall in Hindu population 2. And once more, some years back, christianism already published victory news of having met the intermediate milestone of 74% Hindus: http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=NEWS&id=1114450073 Quote:World Christian Database: India is now 6% ChristianNote catholicism's growth. They've invested heavily. 3. http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1064195197 Quote:The War Against HinduismHmmm, Hindus are already past that point of no return, I'd say (and projecting their inertia/ongoing complacency, rate of waking up, and ratio of sleeping:waking). The worsened demographics make any change back to better percentages unlikely. And political power is unlikely to return to Dharmics (or stay put there if it ever did; and the nationalist politicos will bungle it again somehow, the way nationalist political parties get elected by Dharmics only to favour/impress the thankless minorities anyway once in power). Guess one can be grateful that the projected 7.4% christianism hasn't been reached and it's only 6.2%. But the goal for that was 2025. Besides, christianism's helped islam meet its target % and no doubt won't even need to help it to reach greater heights by 2025. Christianism is the brains behind all of the misery, and it's what enables islamism to attain to far more than its estimated (solo) potential within the same timeframe. 4. And here is christianism's belief/prophecy/driving force/great hope to salvage the sinking of christianism elsewhere: http://christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1097768866 Quote:Evangelisation 2000 or Politics of Subversion? Personally, I think it too late. But there is the silver lining: - At least one can predict with 100% certainty that islamania=terrorism will wipe out all the whiny christianism=terrorism from India if it ever comes down to a match between just the two. All the best to islamania in such a situation. Christianism deserves it and then some. Would be a bloodbath one couldn't give a hoot about. And islamania has a tendency to sink itself (see TSP: hopeless country). Islamania goes nowhere without kaffirs. - Plus modern hinduism is not really worth worrying about. Of course, it's sad about the village Hindus though. The real heathens, I mean. But they were anyway going to become dwindling islands with the secularising angelsk-miseducated folks around them shoving them into similar christist education. If Hindus had a useful brain among them they could perhaps plot a path out of... Actually I don't think that would work anymore either. Wasn't there a middling book on The Last Stand Of The Pagans or something (historical; it was about the GrecoRomans). Maybe Hindu religion could have a memorable showdown too? As opposed to rolling over. And it could take the enemy ideology down with us. But that would take energy. And determination. And a recognition - which secularised Hindus just couldn't bring up until it's much later still - that christianism is a terminal disease that ought to be eradicated so that it doesn't infest and destroy the remaining heathenisms in the world. Because there is yet more to lose. (Really, Hindus could do at least that much for Shinto and Daoism - China's in serious trouble - and the reviving Hellenes. All this talk of other heathenisms. But how much do Hindus really care?) Hindus are still in a position to take down christianism - or at least set the wheels in motion for that, such that others can deal it a death blow. Would still be a victory of sorts. If only Hindus would set their collective mind to it. 1. Aim to eradicate christianism 2. Aim to eradicate christianism 3. Aim to eradicate christianism 4. ... <Try, try again> Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Guest - 05-02-2010 ^^^ It does not take millions to get the ball rolling. We need just a few Hindus for that. Are you saying that Christians are encourging Islamists to grow to create room for themselves? Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Bharatvarsh2 - 05-02-2010 Quote:Wasn't there a middling book on The Last Stand Of The Pagans or something (historical; it was about the GrecoRomans). I looked but can't find any such title. Are you talking about Julian by Gore Vidal? I think these numbers are somewhat of an overestimate though xtians certainly are far more than the "official" numbers would indicate, may be around 4.6%. I have my reasons to feel this way, consider the fact that indian xtians seem to be granted visa's at a higher rate to the US and also the tendency of many established xtian communities to be under replacement tfr (Goa & Kerala come to mind), the demographic gains they make through conversions may be slashed through these mechanisms. They may be inflating their numbers to get more funding from the goras abroad. Here are the risk areas that xtians have been targeting specifically to sow terror & future secessionist movements: 1) Andhra 2) TN 3) Orissa 4) Chattisgarh 5) Jharkhand 6) Eezham. Donate to Hindu charities that are active in these areas. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Husky - 05-02-2010 BV, see around 2nd half of this post. [quote name='Niki' date='02 May 2010 - 05:31 AM' timestamp='1272758011' post='106174']Are you saying that 1) Christians are encourging Islamists to grow 2) to create room for themselves?[/quote] Yes to (1). No to (2). 1) Christianism is encouraging *islam* (i.e. increase in islamic demographics - e.g. their intentional blind eye to infiltrators from the islamic pardeeses next door. E.g. encouragement for islam by govt: quotas, hajj subsidies paid for by Hindus' donations to Hindu Temples, Manmohan stating that muslims have first claim on resources in India - never mind they already stole east and west "Pakistan" from Greater India's Dharmics.) That the christo meme should be encouraging islamania=islam to multiply is no surprise: it's what it usually does in heathen lands, when it can. 2) Christianism is doing so because it wants to minimise heathenism. Heathenism is enemy #1. The True Religion - be it islamania or christomania, same thing - prefers its own variants (christoislamania) to its foremost enemy. Because "paganism" must die. Wherever it exists. Even if it were in another universum, it must die. So christianism - which is not yet as powerful as it needs to be because it's not in sufficient numbers on its own to take on the whole of the heathen mass of India - will make use of islamism. Besides, promoting islamism offers a cover-shield - helps with cryptochristianism: AP's now-decomposing christoterrorist minister used the majority of Tirupati funds for hajj subsidy and a comparatively much "smaller" fraction for christoterrorism. So it looks "secular" to the insipid among the Indian populace. [quote name='Niki' date='02 May 2010 - 05:31 AM' timestamp='1272758011' post='106174'] ^^^ It does not take millions to get the ball rolling. We need just a few Hindus for that.[/quote]Please tell me you have an actual plan and are not merely talking optimistically. I prefer either a plan or realism. Anyway, the problem is manifold. Two of which are: 1. The destruction christianism will wreak is directly proportional to the demographics: as the demographics improve in christoislamism's favour (and the tide turns further against Hindus and other Dharmics), the situation will accelerate. I.e. it will get much worse much faster than it has done so far. Consider that it took so many centuries for christianism to make any inroads into India. Then after so much trying in Nagaland and the rest of the NE and for so long, suddenly, within decades many places are majority christian. Similarly, the percentage increase in converts in the country are much greater in recent times. The same was the case in S Korea: after some centuries of missionaries, the dividends were still small. Eventually - since the *1980s* they were able to make christianism into half of the *religious* population of that nation, and render Buddhists and indigenous Korean tradition into a minority there. Hmmm. It is like a hammer ticking away. It may take long at the start. But eventually, when the thing has cracked and an opening has been made, the floodgates are open, and the process can be measured in some foreseeable measure of time. Reaching such a turning point is dangerous IMO, because reclamation becomes ~impossible: 2. Christianism when viewed from a global/historical perspective covering whole regions has only receded vis-a-vis islam. Never vis-a-vis heathenism. Heathens have lost, lost and then lost some more. (Islam has at least receded to Dharmic religion a little. But we're facing christianism+islam, with christianism guiding islam. Makes it different, worse.) Quote:Are you talking about Julian by Gore Vidal?No. French book (and I remembered the title wrong to boot). Also, it's not fiction but textbook material. Not specifically about Julian either. Very depressing. Quote:They may be inflating their numbers to get more funding from the goras abroad.But they're no longer merely giving these numbers through missionary boards but allowing it to be declared in the *official* census. That is, it's now going out to the general public - and of a country where they are still a 'minority' (numerically). For people who eagerly hide their numbers come census time to suddenly start admitting it in public/officially (as opposed to among themselves/to their handlers and benefactors in the west) seems to me to mean that either they are not remotely scared of repercussions to their potentially premature revelation (i.e. they feel very confident to be willing to declare themselves - even overestimate their numbers - and thereby scare their enemies into a waking state), or they think they're beyond trouble now. Missionary and hence official (western) news sources say China's underground christians number upwards of 100 mill - see for example the link near the bottom of this post. Others claim that unofficially the number of christians in China is much higher. (I know that on the ground here, lots of Chinese churches are springing up, just like imported Korean churches did. That would mean there are many in their homeland too.) But if the official census of China were suddenly to record the same... (Then again, christianism perhaps has more reason to be afraid of China than of India: christians know no one can touch them in India. But the Chinese govt is not at all anti-christian, even if it does not allow papism/allegiance to Vatican.) But TN is significantly christian now. Entire villages are. Rural areas. And what is visible in the city is quite cryptochristian too. Some older articles I saw: http://christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=NEWS&id=1094588053 Quote:Census Reveals Rampant Conversions in Tamil Nadu, KeralaThat was in 2004. http://christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1175221207 Quote:Investigative Report:Change in the winds; A new religion takes root http://christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=NEWS&id=1116608292 Survey Shows Churches Outnumber Temples in Areas of Andhra 2005 http://christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=NEWS&id=1133890165 Pope blesses YSR to turn AP into 'Christa Pradesh' 2005 http://christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=NEWS&id=1088050395 Conversion at Full Momentum in Nepal 2004 http://christianaggression.org/features_statistics.php Quote:Conversion Facts http://christianaggression.org/features_survey.php Quote:Assault on IndiaImportant for Hindus to take note of those measures the church *believes* will enable christianism to successfully convert India. www.nzherald.co.nz/religion-and-beliefs/news/article.cfm?c_id=301&objectid=10636340&pnum=0 Quote:Religion undergoing startling resurrectionThe disease keeps feeding itself, keeping itself alive. Missionaries going here and there to save The Unsaved and save The Backsliding for the non-existent christoterrorist in the sky. Plus the many American christocults settling in and attacking other western countries and converting young generations of long-time atheists/agnostics. (Natural western atheists - who are very easy to get along with - as opposed to the militantly/evangelically atheist kind.) In fact, the christo madmen from America are off to plague Macedonia too (FYROM Macedonia presumably, since it's mentioned in a report on the Balkans): http://christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1113758451 Quote:Macedonia: No Paradise on Earth for Christian ProselytizersPoor FYROM. Christian Subversion And Missionary Activities - 6 - Guest - 05-03-2010 Husky -- there are many plans but there is no execution.. |