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US Elections 2008 - III - Pandyan - 06-27-2008
Last I saw 18-20% of Hillary's crowd said they would vote for McCain if she didn't become the nominee.
US Elections 2008 - III - Guest - 06-27-2008
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Folks, sorry missed out a lot of stuff. I see that HRC has withdrawn and they are trying to unite dems. What are the numbers like ? How many HRC supporters going for McCain ? Any good polls ?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
At this stage, 65% woman will vote for McCain, 80% Jews will vote for McCain.
Clear situation will come out in August.
Like yesterday, Obama refused to share his donor's list with Hillary. And Hillary later refused to share her donor list. Things are not rosy inside.
Democratic Pary is very divide. Dean term will be over in Aug, looks like Obama man will take over DNC, chances are Tom Daschel or Jesse Jackson or may be Donna Brazille will lead DNC. Interesting time ahead.
Yesterday Gallup poll was BO 44- Mc 44 , numbers look bad for BO considering this should be Democrats year and he should be riding on nomination bump.
<b>Hill, Yes! O., No</b>!
<i>The Battle Isn't Over for Many Women Who Fought for Clinton</i>
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Defining the Just Say No Deal coalition is not simple. The clearest and strongest sentiments seem to be that party leaders tried to force Clinton out of the race prematurely, allowed sexism and misogyny to go unchecked in the media, and made decisions about the Florida and Michigan contests that were designed to favor Obama.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
US Elections 2008 - III - Guest - 06-27-2008
this will give you idea, Obama character and divide democratic party and its purse.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Obama Bombs</b>
Barack had his opportunity tonight to start healing the rifts in the Democratic party and, to put it bluntly, he flopped. (CNN is giving the Barack spin, but donât believe it.) <b>I am told from people who attended the fundraising soiree at the Mayflower Hotel that the One was a dud.</b>
Hillary, ever the good trooper and team player, gave Barack an intro to her big dollar donors and an opportunity to start the healing. But Barack continues to play the role of petulant bore. He gave an uninspired, mechanical speech. The charm exhibited on the campaign trail that left women swooning, was missing in action. Folks from the Hillary camp described the speech as snobbish, arrogant, and boring. But it was Barackâs response to questions from Hillaryâs supporters that produced sour bile.
1. What about the Vice President slot? The questioner told Barack that if he named Hillary as the Vice President that the Democrats would be in a position to own the White House for the next 16 years. Barack said nothing to give Clinton supporters hope that he would consider the Senator from New York.
2.<b> Will you help Hillary retire her debt? On this one Barack said he had written a check for $2300 (note, no check from Michelle), but that his real interest was getting access to the phone lists of Hillaryâs donors and contacts. Hillary supporters at the gathering sat on their hands, their checkbooks, and their lists</b>.
<b>3. What will you do to stop the sexist smear of Hillary? The questioner noted that Barack did nothing to quell the rampant sexist attacks on Hillary during the campaign and that she continues to be brutalized. Barack said, âYes, I know. But there is another woman who has been brutalized as well. The healing will take a long time to fix.â</b>
So there you have it. No vision. No magnanimous gesture. <b>It is still all about Barack and Michelle. Most of the Hillary supporters left unassuaged. Instead of a promise from Barack to tell his supporters to stop the attacks on Hillary and her supporters, he essentially put his hands in his pockets and shrugged his shoulders</b>.
Letâs be clear. The recently concluded Democratic party primary season does not even begin to compare to the death and horror that convulsed America during the Civil War. <b>But the hurt feelings and anger among Hillary supporters are real. And Barackâs refusal to tackle this issue head on is but one other reminder that he is not ready to unite a nation fractured by political strife</b>. We know Mr. Lincoln, and you sir are no Abraham.
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US Elections 2008 - III - Guest - 06-27-2008
link<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->One major Clinton donor described it this way:<b> "This felt like when your mom forces you to go visit your Aunt Ida and she has to pinch your cheeks and you're sitting there in an uncomfortable suit and you can't wait to leave."
Another Clinton-leaning person who was in the room said after the meeting wrapped up that there is still "a lot of anger" toward Obama among Clinton's wealthiest fans.
"It was pretty bad," this source said. He said donors were joking that the scene was like "an Irish wake" and that you "could cut the air with a knife" it was so tense in the room.
"He better go back to the internet," said one donor about the Democratic nomineeâs fundraising tactics</b>. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd--><!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Many Clinton donors are anxious to hear more about Clinton's future role in the Obama campaign. For example, will she have her own campaign plane to use for appearances? Will she speak at the Democratic convention in late August and when? They also want to know if Clinton's delegates will be allowed any kind of symbolic vote on the convention floor.
<b>Asked tonight if there would be a roll-call vote at the convention in Denver, Clinton and Obama exchanged looks, with Clinton smiling, and said that was still being negotiated.</b> <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
US Elections 2008 - III - Guest - 06-27-2008
This 'hope' kool-aid is indeed deadly. Olbermann could be inspired for to run his next 'worst person in the world' by watching the guy in his mirror <!--emo&:roll--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ROTFL.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='ROTFL.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->five whole months ago, when George Bush was urging enactment of a law with retroactive immunity and a lessening of FISA protections. Now that Barack Obama supports a law that does the same thing -- and now that Obama justifies that support by claiming that this bill is necessary to keep us Safe from the Terrorists -- everything has changed. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--emo&:beer--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cheers.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='cheers.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Those who spent the last five years mauling Bush for "shredding the Constitution" and approving of lawbreaking -- only to then praise Obama for supporting a bill that endorses and protects all of that -- are displaying exactly the type of blind reverence that is more dangerous than any one political leader could ever be.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Keith Olbermann: Then and now
US Elections 2008 - III - Guest - 06-27-2008
Olbermann is best decribed by Karmabites1 <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> Have you read his latest tantrum ? link link2- huffi
<b>Serenity Lost: Obama And The Netroots</b>
US Elections 2008 - III - Guest - 06-27-2008
It's called buyers remorse.
US Elections 2008 - III - Guest - 06-28-2008
NPR review on Obama - Must listen
US Elections 2008 - III - acharya - 06-28-2008
<img src='http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/OB-BS254_oj_rov_20080625205143.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
US Elections 2008 - III - Guest - 06-29-2008
LOUISVILLE -....About 650 of Kentucky's most influential Republicans â and <b>a few Democrats </b>â attended the event at the Kentucky International Convention Center. Organizers said the total raised was $2 million
Scott Jennings, a Republican strategist for Peritus Public Relations...said that is the most money ever raised at a presidential-level fund-raiser in Kentucky.
link
US Elections 2008 - III - Guest - 06-29-2008
offical website of Obama
<img src='http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t270/cajuncocoa/Marxists4Obama.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
US Elections 2008 - III - Guest - 06-29-2008
This is new seal of Obama <!--emo&
--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <img src='http://noquarterusa.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/obama-rubber-chicken-002_thumb6.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
US Elections 2008 - III - acharya - 06-29-2008
Lieberman: U.S. May Be Attacked In 2009
McCain Supporter Says Terrorists Have Tested New Presidents By Launching Attacks In First Year Of Term
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/29/...in4217516.shtml
Sen. Joe Lieberman, I-Conn., on "Face The Nation"
Lieberman Praises McCain's Policy
Sen. Joe Lieberman talks to Bob Schieffer about his support for John McCain, saying that McCain's foreign policy will make the United States' enemies weak and allies strong. | Share/Embed
* Sen. Joe Lieberman talks to Bob Schieffer about his support for John McCain, saying that McCain\'s foreign policy will make the United States\' enemies weak and allies strong.
Lieberman Praises McCain's Policy (11:19)
(CBS) In describing the reasons he believes the Republicans' presumptive nominee for president would be better prepared than the Democrats' to lead the nation next January, Sen. Joe Lieberman said that history shows the United States would likely face a terrorist attack in 2009.
"Our enemies will test the new president early," Lieberman, I-Conn., told Face The Nation host Bob Schieffer. "Remember that the truck bombing of the World Trade Center happened in the first year of the Clinton administration. 9/11 happened in the first year of the Bush administration."
Lieberman nonetheless distanced himself from remarks by McCain chief strategist Charlie Black, who came under criticism for suggesting in an interview that McCain's election chances would be improved if a terrorist attack occurred before November.
"Sometimes even the best of them say things that are not what they intended to say," Lieberman said. "Certainly the implications there I know were not what Charlie intended. And he apologized for it. Senator McCain said he didn't agree. And, of course, I feel the same way.
"But here's the point. We're in a war against Islamist extremists who attacked us on 9/11. They've been trying to attack us in many, many ways since then."
A former Democratic nominee for vice president, Lieberman endorsed McCain for president because, he says, the Democratic Party he joined in the early 1960s is not reflected by the party's current leadership.
He also said that he feels McCain is better prepared to be commander in chief than Barack Obama. "[McCain] knows the world," Lieberman said. "He's been tested. He's ready to protect the security of the American people."
Lieberman also assailed Obama and fellow Senators who called for a timetable of withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq and opposed the "surge" of additional U.S. forces pushed forth by President Bush.
"It's now working," Lieberman told Schieffer. "If we had done what Senator Obama asked us to do for the last couple of years, today Iran and al Qaeda would be in control of Iraq. It would be a terrible defeat for us and our allies in the Middle East and throughout the world. Instead, we've got a country that's defending itself, that's growing economically, where there's been genuine political reconciliation, and where Iran and al Qaeda are on the run. And that's the way it ought to be."
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US Elections 2008 - III - Guest - 06-30-2008
Seems like some have got over the kool-aid hangover and have sobered up.
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin-->Thereâs a new group on âMyBarackObama.comâ called âSenator Obama â Please Vote Against FISA.â Stop by and tell the Senator that youâll be voting for him in November and hoping that in the meantime, he does the right thing.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
US Elections 2008 - III - Guest - 06-30-2008
Listen to leftist npr radio link, they are on dot, slowly people are opening eyes and mind.
<b>NPRâs Scott Simon on Obamaâs Exploitation of the Race Card</b>
US Elections 2008 - III - Guest - 07-01-2008
Remember Obama attacking Clinton as '<i>Senator from Poonjab'</i> for links to Sant Chatwal?
<!--QuoteBegin-->QUOTE<!--QuoteEBegin--> The three page 'opposition research paper', titled Hillary Clinton (D-Punjab)'s Personal Financial and Political Ties, which has begun circulating in the blogosphere, criticises the Clintons' links to India in an effort and attacks her record on outsourcing, and on protecting American jobs. <!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Obama camp attacks Hillary's Indian links
Well, that was then; now we could have a President from <i>Poonjab</i> <!--emo&:clapping--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/clap.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='clap.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<img src='http://im.rediff.com/news/2008/jun/27nlook1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Chatwal to raise $10 million for Obama
See the "change"? Yes he can ! (change I mean)
US Elections 2008 - III - Shambhu - 07-01-2008
Heard on radio yesterday that BO "will not question anyone else's patriotism and will not allow anyone to question my patriotism".
Lame pre-empt. McCain went to prison after crashing, breaking his collar bone, and having the other collar bone broken by his gracious hosts.
BO constantly scans the horizon for more Ayers-wannabees to add to his guestlist.
<!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo--> BO <!--emo&:flush--><img src='style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/Flush.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='Flush.gif' /><!--endemo--> BO
US Elections 2008 - III - Guest - 07-01-2008
Now Obama have no problem with Chatwal links with Motel and other scams.
US Elections 2008 - III - Guest - 07-01-2008
Hey, remember the "failed policies of Bush" such as the funding for faith-based intitatives?
Guess, who's just vowed to back that program.
No prizes for guessing.
With the flip-flops we are seeing, hard-core Obamities should be best advised to stay away from butter knives.
US Elections 2008 - III - acharya - 07-01-2008
Op-Ed Columnist
Anxious in America
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: June 29, 2008
Just a few months ago, the consensus view was that Barack Obama would need to choose a hard-core national-security type as his vice presidential running mate to compensate for his lack of foreign policy experience and that John McCain would need a running mate who was young and sprightly to compensate for his age. Come August, though, I predict both men will be looking for a financial wizard as their running mates to help them steer America out of what could become a serious economic tailspin.
I do not believe nation-building in Iraq is going to be the issue come November â whether things get better there or worse. If they get better, weâll ignore Iraq more; if they get worse, the next president will be under pressure to get out quicker. I think nation-building in America is going to be the issue.
Itâs the state of America now that is the most gripping source of anxiety for Americans, not Al Qaeda or Iraq. Anyone who thinks they are going to win this election playing the Iraq or the terrorism card â one way or another â is, in my view, seriously deluded. Things have changed.
Up to now, the economic crisis weâve been in has been largely a credit crisis in the capital markets, while consumer spending has kept reasonably steady, as have manufacturing and exports. But with banks still reluctant to lend even to healthy businesses, fuel and food prices soaring and home prices declining, this is starting to affect consumers, shrinking their wallets and crimping spending. Unemployment is already creeping up and manufacturing creeping down.
The straws in the wind are hard to ignore: If you visit any car dealership in America today you will see row after row of unsold S.U.V.âs. And if you own a gas guzzler already, good luck. On Thursday, The Palm Beach Post ran an article on your S.U.V. options: âContinue to spend upward of $100 for a fill-up. Sell or trade in the vehicle for a fraction of the original cost. Or hold out and park the truck in the driveway for occasional use in hopes the market will turn around.â Just be glad you donât own a bus. Montgomery County, Md., where I live, just announced that more children were going to have to walk to school next year to save money on bus fuel.
On top of it all, our bank crisis is not over. Two weeks ago, Goldman Sachs analysts said that U.S. banks may need another $65 billion to cover more write-downs of bad mortgage-related instruments and potential new losses if consumer loans start to buckle. Since President Bush came to office, our national savings have gone from 6 percent of gross domestic product to 1 percent, and consumer debt has climbed from $8 trillion to $14 trillion.
My fellow Americans: We are a country in debt and in decline â not terminal, not irreversible, but in decline. Our political system seems incapable of producing long-range answers to big problems or big opportunities. We are the ones who need a better-functioning democracy â more than the Iraqis and Afghans. We are the ones in need of nation-building. It is our political system that is not working.
I continue to be appalled at the gap between what is clearly going to be the next great global industry â renewable energy and clean power â and the inability of Congress and the administration to put in place the bold policies we need to ensure that America leads that industry.
âAmerica and its political leaders, after two decades of failing to come together to solve big problems, seem to have lost faith in their ability to do so,â Wall Street Journal columnist Gerald Seib noted last week. âA political system that expects failure doesnât try very hard to produce anything else.â
We used to try harder and do better. After Sputnik, we came together as a nation and responded with a technology, infrastructure and education surge, notes Robert Hormats, vice chairman of Goldman Sachs International. After the 1973 oil crisis, we came together and made dramatic improvements in energy efficiency. After Social Security became imperiled in the early 1980s, we came together and fixed it for that moment. âBut today,â added Hormats, âthe political system seems incapable of producing a critical mass to support any kind of serious long-term reform.â
If the old saying â that âas General Motors goes, so goes Americaâ â is true, then folks, weâre in a lot of trouble. General Motorsâs stock-market value now stands at just $6.47 billion, compared with Toyotaâs $162.6 billion. On top of it, G.M. shares sank to a 34-year low last week.
Thatâs us. Weâre at a 34-year low. And digging out of this hole is what the next election has to be about and is going to be about â even if it is interrupted by a terrorist attack or an outbreak of war or peace in Iraq. We need nation-building at home, and we cannot wait another year to get started. Vote for the candidate who you think will do that best. Nothing else matters.